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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
October 05 2010 03:42 GMT
#81
On October 05 2010 12:39 TLOBrian wrote:
Unwritten rules of TL:

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Don't disagree with the admins
Don't make jokes about the mods



Don't be a martyr.
Don't be stupid.

That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too.
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TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:42:45
October 05 2010 03:42 GMT
#82
Waiting for Day9 to reply to this thread with "whoops, my bad."
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
October 05 2010 03:43 GMT
#83
On October 05 2010 12:32 stafu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:02 Vei wrote:
On October 05 2010 12:00 Kennigit wrote:
Leaving this open as an example for how to get banned for making a piece of garbage thread.

ironically while trolling sc2 players with your sig

Kennigit is allowed to be hypocritical apparently. He's even allowed to reply with just a meme picture.

*prepares for ban for daring to speak about admin hypocrisy*

User was temp banned for this post.


This forum is not a democracy. The admins can do whatever the fuck they want, and thats their right. After all, they did give us such an awesome website.
On my way...
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
October 05 2010 03:43 GMT
#84
This would have been funny had the stench of hypocrisy not been overwhelming
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
RivalryRedux
Profile Joined July 2009
United States173 Posts
October 05 2010 03:43 GMT
#85
I love all the people that treat mules like they're this magical entity when their income has been figured out since the beta. These same people somehow have also failed to notice that the income tab fluctuates wildly with mules.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
October 05 2010 03:44 GMT
#86
On October 05 2010 12:42 TedJustice wrote:
Waiting for Day9 to reply to this thread with "whoops, my bad."


OMG rofl thats exactly what he would do XDD
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
October 05 2010 03:44 GMT
#87
On October 05 2010 12:42 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:39 TLOBrian wrote:
Unwritten rules of TL:

+ Show Spoiler +
Don't disagree with the admins
Don't make jokes about the mods



Don't be a martyr.
Don't be stupid.

That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too.

You sure do throw around 'martyr' a lot.
lostshard
Profile Joined July 2009
United States95 Posts
October 05 2010 03:45 GMT
#88
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883

Look at #6... things are not going to be fair (depending on your point of view). On another note I was hoping on seeing a mule drop next to some siege tanks.
The Insane
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:46:01
October 05 2010 03:45 GMT
#89
Nevermind, spent too much time editing.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:46:12
October 05 2010 03:45 GMT
#90
On October 05 2010 12:44 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:42 Manifesto7 wrote:
On October 05 2010 12:39 TLOBrian wrote:
Unwritten rules of TL:

+ Show Spoiler +
Don't disagree with the admins
Don't make jokes about the mods



Don't be a martyr.
Don't be stupid.

That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too.

You sure do throw around 'martyr' a lot.


Seems to be a fad.
ModeratorGodfather
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
October 05 2010 03:47 GMT
#91
I totally came in here hoping to see an interesting discussion about some bug, glitch, or interesting quirk in the game someone may have found...

Suffice to say, I was sorely disappointed.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
October 05 2010 03:47 GMT
#92
On October 05 2010 12:42 TedJustice wrote:
Waiting for Day9 to reply to this thread with "whoops, my bad."


It's not his fault the OP was an idiot.
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:49:29
October 05 2010 03:47 GMT
#93
On October 05 2010 12:44 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:42 Manifesto7 wrote:
On October 05 2010 12:39 TLOBrian wrote:
Unwritten rules of TL:

+ Show Spoiler +
Don't disagree with the admins
Don't make jokes about the mods



Don't be a martyr.
Don't be stupid.

That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too.

You sure do throw around 'martyr' a lot.


Posting 'this will probably get me banned', or any variation of it, will ALWAYS get you banned.
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chimthegrim2
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2 Posts
October 05 2010 03:48 GMT
#94
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote:
I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech.



User was banned for this post.


Bummer for that guy.

User was banned for this post.
Don't think unless TL tells you to.
Soulfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:49:30
October 05 2010 03:48 GMT
#95
Lol, this = win.

Like someone said, Day9 needs to come in here. Woops.
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 05 2010 03:49 GMT
#96
On October 05 2010 12:38 Rodregeus wrote:
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On October 05 2010 12:26 vica wrote:
1 is the only valid point.
2 is untrue. There were 3 MULEs.
3 is untrue. All workers were on Blue Minerals.
4 is untrue. MULEs ignore saturation. They do not have any delay.
Please get the facts straight, thank you.

This is not arguing for or against imbalance. I am just disproving him.


Reading comprehension is usually a good skill to have. I'm not talking purely about balance, I'm saying the picture is potentially miss leading due to the lack of provided information.

I could come in here with a screen shot of 100 SCVs vs 20 Probes, with the probes mining a higher income, and add no extra evidence. It would have exactly the same merit as the picture in the OP.

How many patches were each mining from? Were they even all mining? Had some probes JUST been killed off? Were they long distance mining?

You miss understood the entire point of the post. But hey, well done on blindly jumping in to try and throw around spite filled rebuttals just because you can. Ohh forums, how i love thee.

Also, on a side note about the lack of delay. Do the MULEs ignore SCVs and other MULEs mining on the patch ENTIRELY? Or simple take priority over the SCV that would otherwise be mining the patch? Would be good to know.

10,000 people watched this happen, so a majority of the people know exactly what context this was in. effectively 24 probes at a normal base vs 3 mules at a normal base. This was a somewhat apt comparison between the two as there are no real confounding factors apart from instantaneous income. I agree that all your points could have screwed up the data since someone who didnt watch the game wouldn't know, but in this case none of it actually did.
I think above someone posted the toss max income at 1200ish? well 3 mules return 810-900 mins over their lifetime of 1min(?) so thats 900 max income to 1200 max income, 24+ probes vs 3 mules in a more direct comparison.
You can't really do a balance comparison since chrono boost isnt supposed to boost your econ while thats the one and only purpose of a mule. In this one situation mules look imba, but in X months when toss finds a uber-fast tech exploit with chrono maybe people will call that imba.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 05 2010 03:50 GMT
#97
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote:
I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech.



User was banned for this post.


That's the best thing I've seen all day.


On October 05 2010 12:25 Manifesto7 wrote:
This thread is like christmas.
TL+ Member
kxr1der
Profile Joined March 2009
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:54:15
October 05 2010 03:51 GMT
#98
On October 05 2010 12:38 Rodregeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:26 vica wrote:
1 is the only valid point.
2 is untrue. There were 3 MULEs.
3 is untrue. All workers were on Blue Minerals.
4 is untrue. MULEs ignore saturation. They do not have any delay.
Please get the facts straight, thank you.

This is not arguing for or against imbalance. I am just disproving him.


Reading comprehension is usually a good skill to have. I'm not talking purely about balance, I'm saying the picture is potentially miss leading due to the lack of provided information.

I could come in here with a screen shot of 100 SCVs vs 20 Probes, with the probes mining a higher income, and add no extra evidence. It would have exactly the same merit as the picture in the OP.

How many patches were each mining from? Were they even all mining? Had some probes JUST been killed off? Were they long distance mining?

You miss understood the entire point of the post. But hey, well done on blindly jumping in to try and throw around spite filled rebuttals just because you can. Ohh forums, how i love thee.

Also, on a side note about the lack of delay. Do the MULEs ignore SCVs and other MULEs mining on the patch ENTIRELY? Or simple take priority over the SCV that would otherwise be mining the patch? Would be good to know.


MULES can mine at the same time as an SCV on a mineral patch, but i dont think 2 MULES can mine on one patch.
chimthegrim2
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2 Posts
October 05 2010 03:52 GMT
#99
On October 05 2010 12:50 Aylear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote:
I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech.



User was banned for this post.


That's the best thing I've seen all day.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 12:25 Manifesto7 wrote:
This thread is like christmas.


I liked it too.
Don't think unless TL tells you to.
JTouche
Profile Joined August 2010
United States239 Posts
October 05 2010 03:54 GMT
#100
Im guessing the original poster lost that game? LoL
Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence. ~Eric Fromm
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