On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
Well
Skip to 14:00 Top gamers are genetically equiped to play the game.
You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.
Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player. Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others. Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.
The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?
yeah im wondering if you even watched the freaking video you sent me
1.) it clearly says that the pro is playing purely outa instinct. do you know what that even means? that means hes playing out of muscle memory, he instinctly does it without thinking. there is no intellect/logic/reasoning behind any of those. you get that by playing 1000 hours. any retard can do that when they play that many hours. every idiot on this world knows how to type well. its those that know what to type who succeed.
2.) starcraft barely emphasizes skill when relative to the intellect it suggests
3.) nobody can be gifted at starcraft. you can be gifted to have great dexterity (skil) or/and great intelligence (strategic) but none of that attributes to an overall better play unless the person masses games to play instinctively. like tlo said, the highest level of focus is where your not even aware of what your fingers are doing. they just DO. this DOES not come from someone being gifted, this comes from PRACTICE. Im not sure if your mom told you that you were gifted but to succeed in SC, PRACTICE IS KEY. The same goes for FPS gaming. It doesn't matter if your albert einstein or cristiano ronaldo, if you do not have the feel for the game, if you cannot play instinctively YOU WILL LOOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DOES.
Ha so no progamer must practice like Flash or Jaedong. Am I right? No doubt practice is important, but at higher levels everyone practices hard. Okay... sorry. You must think that you can play like Flash or Jaedong if you practice as much as them. I'm just going to start rolling on the floor now.
I didn't say starcraft per say, but a gamer. Read what I said. A lot of ppl put a lot of effort into starcraft it doesnt mean they will be the next bonjwa. Some people are born to be better at something, it does not have to be starcraft but skill associated with starcraft. "A person with faster reaction time will benefit in a game like Starcraft". Every progamer put effort in the game, like the video says a person/progamer who practices more than average progamers don't get better than progamers and it asks that question directly. At the end of the day some people will just do better and are born to do better. I am sorry if you think all people have same abilities as others, I just feel pity.
this is dumb
I already stated above that I agree with this. What I don't agree with is you assuming NaDa has some inherent advanced ability in terms of intellect or skill and you proved it by showing the video which DOES NOT say anything about his skill and intellect and only says that the korean pro is playing out of instinct (aka practice)
I am not saying that your wrong, I am saying that your not right until proven.
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.
Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player. Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others. Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.
The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?
yeah im wondering if you even watched the freaking video you sent me
1.) it clearly says that the pro is playing purely outa instinct. do you know what that even means? that means hes playing out of muscle memory, he instinctly does it without thinking. there is no intellect/logic/reasoning behind any of those. you get that by playing 1000 hours. any retard can do that when they play that many hours. every idiot on this world knows how to type well. its those that know what to type who succeed.
2.) starcraft barely emphasizes skill when relative to the intellect it suggests
3.) nobody can be gifted at starcraft. you can be gifted to have great dexterity (skil) or/and great intelligence (strategic) but none of that attributes to an overall better play unless the person masses games to play instinctively. like tlo said, the highest level of focus is where your not even aware of what your fingers are doing. they just DO. this DOES not come from someone being gifted, this comes from PRACTICE. Im not sure if your mom told you that you were gifted but to succeed in SC, PRACTICE IS KEY. The same goes for FPS gaming. It doesn't matter if your albert einstein or cristiano ronaldo, if you do not have the feel for the game, if you cannot play instinctively YOU WILL LOOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DOES.
Ha so no progamer must practice like Flash or Jaedong. Am I right? No doubt practice is important, but at higher levels everyone practices hard. Okay... sorry. You must think that you can play like Flash or Jaedong if you practice as much as them. I'm just going to start rolling on the floor now.
I didn't say starcraft per say, but a gamer. Read what I said. A lot of ppl put a lot of effort into starcraft it doesnt mean they will be the next bonjwa. Some people are born to be better at something, it does not have to be starcraft but skill associated with starcraft. "A person with faster reaction time will benefit in a game like Starcraft". Every progamer put effort in the game, like the video says a person/progamer who practices more than average progamers don't get better than progamers and it asks that question directly. At the end of the day some people will just do better and are born to do better. I am sorry if you think all people have same abilities as others, I just feel pity.
this is retarded.
I already stated above that I agree with this. What I don't agree with is you assuming NaDa has some inherent advanced ability in terms of intellect or skill and you proved it by showing the video which DOES NOT say anything about his skill and intellect and only says that the korean pro is playing out of instinct (aka practice)
I am not saying that your wrong, I am saying that your not right until proven.
That's not what they are testing though, Hypothesis: an amatuer gamer a progamer They both practice SC a lot per day. yet one gains pure instinct and one does not (amatuer looks at the game visually a normal human would).
Of course this is far from absolute proof rather looking into the results to draw a strong conlusion.
The documentary is showing only one sample of the study so you can't tell but this is the difference between a top player and players who can never be pros.
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