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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
August 21 2010 08:35 GMT
#341
Thank god I woke up when I did or I would have missed this, I'm preparing for a hilarious showmatch, aren't you?
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 08:40:44
August 21 2010 08:40 GMT
#342
The funny thing is if either one of the players cheeses, it's not all-in, it's being creative.
Hi!
virgozero
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada412 Posts
August 21 2010 08:43 GMT
#343
On August 21 2010 11:39 ooni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 10:29 virgozero wrote:
On August 21 2010 09:55 zerious wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:49 muzzy wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:44 TheNihilist wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote:
Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.


I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.

Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.


If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.

fanboyism much?

Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.

You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.

So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?


Well

Skip to 14:00
Top gamers are genetically equiped to play the game.

You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.

Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player.
Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others.
Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.

The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?

yeah im wondering if you even watched the freaking video you sent me

1.) it clearly says that the pro is playing purely outa instinct. do you know what that even means? that means hes playing out of muscle memory, he instinctly does it without thinking. there is no intellect/logic/reasoning behind any of those. you get that by playing 1000 hours.
any retard can do that when they play that many hours. every idiot on this world knows how to type well. its those that know what to type who succeed.

2.) starcraft barely emphasizes skill when relative to the intellect it suggests

3.) nobody can be gifted at starcraft. you can be gifted to have great dexterity (skil) or/and great intelligence (strategic) but none of that attributes to an overall better play unless the person masses games to play instinctively. like tlo said, the highest level of focus is where your not even aware of what your fingers are doing. they just DO. this DOES not come from someone being gifted, this comes from PRACTICE. Im not sure if your mom told you that you were gifted but to succeed in SC, PRACTICE IS KEY. The same goes for FPS gaming. It doesn't matter if your albert einstein or cristiano ronaldo, if you do not have the feel for the game, if you cannot play instinctively YOU WILL LOOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DOES.
Trollment
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
August 21 2010 08:43 GMT
#344
Oh is it bo1 or 3 or 5?
Awfml
Profile Joined August 2010
United States5 Posts
August 21 2010 08:44 GMT
#345
So is this being casted in fifteen minutes? I literally just woke up lol, it's almost 5am here in Boston.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 21 2010 08:47 GMT
#346
On August 21 2010 17:44 Awfml wrote:
So is this being casted in fifteen minutes? I literally just woke up lol, it's almost 5am here in Boston.

It's supposed to be on now. It's still Quake at the moment though.
Narien
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden31 Posts
August 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#347
Does anyone have a link for it? i would love to watch :D but have no idea of where to tune in...
virgozero
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 08:49:31
August 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#348
On August 21 2010 11:57 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 11:50 cuppatea wrote:
If SC2 takes off in Korea the way that BW did then they'll dominate in a similar fashion. Western kids sitting in their bedroom playing for a few hours after school/college can't compete with full-time pro-gamers who live in team houses and practice for 12 hours every day.

As for the whole "check their replays, the Koreans are awful" argument; we had this early in the beta, then East and West actually played and the Koreans were shown to be better. Now we've gone a few weeks without Koreans and foreigners facing each other, it seems the same argument has resurfaced, despite there being zero evidence to support it.

That's not entirely correct. A lot of the good westerners play a ton. You CAN fit in eight hours of play with school/college. Just not easily. Plus with the way the game is headed, you will see full time pro gamers in the West. Now there is an argument for skill, and progamers like Nada definitely have that. But whether that skill is any greater than anyone else is entirely debatable. Also of note, if anyone's going to be good at this game, my moneys on China, not Korea. We(America) beat Korea in the US vs China vs Korea showmatch thing in beta, but China beat us. From what I recall, they had the best Warcraft 3 players, and I see a similar trend in Starcraft 2.

LOLOLOL this is halarious.

A few guys in korea that are really good beats a few guys in NA that are good therefor

ALL KOREANS ARE BETTER PLAYERS THAN ALL NA/EU PLAYERS OMG OMG OMG !! see that sound logic?

Trollment
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
August 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#349
you can watch it in sc2.tv
radu_c
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania226 Posts
August 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#350
Seems the show match hasn`t either started or isn`t live.
_magik
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands146 Posts
August 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#351
On August 21 2010 17:48 Narien wrote:
Does anyone have a link for it? i would love to watch :D but have no idea of where to tune in...

http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-free
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 09:05:46
August 21 2010 08:50 GMT
#352
On August 21 2010 17:43 virgozero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 11:39 ooni wrote:
On August 21 2010 10:29 virgozero wrote:
On August 21 2010 09:55 zerious wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:49 muzzy wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:44 TheNihilist wrote:
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote:
Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.


I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.

Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.


If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.

fanboyism much?

Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.

You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.

So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?


Well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0Pgm8lWRw
Skip to 14:00
Top gamers are genetically equiped to play the game.

You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.

Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player.
Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others.
Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.

The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?

yeah im wondering if you even watched the freaking video you sent me

1.) it clearly says that the pro is playing purely outa instinct. do you know what that even means? that means hes playing out of muscle memory, he instinctly does it without thinking. there is no intellect/logic/reasoning behind any of those. you get that by playing 1000 hours.
any retard can do that when they play that many hours. every idiot on this world knows how to type well. its those that know what to type who succeed.

2.) starcraft barely emphasizes skill when relative to the intellect it suggests

3.) nobody can be gifted at starcraft. you can be gifted to have great dexterity (skil) or/and great intelligence (strategic) but none of that attributes to an overall better play unless the person masses games to play instinctively. like tlo said, the highest level of focus is where your not even aware of what your fingers are doing. they just DO. this DOES not come from someone being gifted, this comes from PRACTICE. Im not sure if your mom told you that you were gifted but to succeed in SC, PRACTICE IS KEY. The same goes for FPS gaming. It doesn't matter if your albert einstein or cristiano ronaldo, if you do not have the feel for the game, if you cannot play instinctively YOU WILL LOOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DOES.

Ha so no progamer must practice like Flash or Jaedong. Am I right?
No doubt practice is important, but at higher levels everyone practices hard.
I have not even said once you don't need practive btw~
Okay... sorry. You must think that you can play like Flash or Jaedong if you practice as much as them. I'm just going to start rolling on the floor now.

I didn't say starcraft per say, but a gamer. Read what I said. A lot of ppl put a lot of effort into starcraft it doesnt mean they will be the next bonjwa. Some people are born to be better at something, it does not have to be starcraft but skill associated with starcraft. "A person with faster reaction time will benefit in a game like Starcraft".
Every progamer put effort in the game, like the video says a person/progamer who practices more than average progamers don't get better than progamers and it asks that question directly. At the end of the day some people will just do better and are born to do better.
I am sorry if you think all people have same abilities as others, I just feel pity.

Well assuming skills in BW carries over to SC2. Personally I was D in Iccup but Diamond in SC2. I found SC2 so so easy adept.
Hi!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 08:51:11
August 21 2010 08:50 GMT
#353
Is there a non-octoshape stream? I don't want to install software that uploads shit while I'm *not* watching a stream. Thats just creepy.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Creek
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States177 Posts
August 21 2010 08:52 GMT
#354
"TLO v NaDa showmatch will start as soon as soon as SPARTIE v rapha QL match concludes"
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
August 21 2010 08:52 GMT
#355
Is it me or is a match between Rafa and Sparte being streamed on ESL TV instead?
_magik
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands146 Posts
August 21 2010 08:52 GMT
#356
On August 21 2010 17:50 Dental Floss wrote:
Is there a non-octoshape stream? I don't want to install software that uploads shit while I'm *not* watching a stream. Thats just creepy.

Nah, just use it and uninstall after the tourney.
_magik
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands146 Posts
August 21 2010 08:53 GMT
#357
btw, it's 1-2 atm Bo5, so max 15 mins till NADANANDNADNADNA.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 08:55:02
August 21 2010 08:53 GMT
#358
On August 21 2010 17:52 _magik wrote:
Nah, just use it and uninstall after the tourney.



I'll just watch the VODs later instead of risking my bandwidth being stolen while I'm not actually trying to steam something.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Narien
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden31 Posts
August 21 2010 08:55 GMT
#359
ow, thanks for the link, can't get it to work though
_magik
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 08:56:58
August 21 2010 08:55 GMT
#360
On August 21 2010 17:53 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 17:52 _magik wrote:
Nah, just use it and uninstall after the tourney.



I'll just watch the VODs later instead of risking my bandwidth being stolen while I'm not actually trying to steam something.

You could run it in a virtual machine if you're paranoid

EDIT: didn't catch your edit.

You could use a decent firewall to prevent outgoing traffic.
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