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yejin
France493 Posts
He comes into games, trashtalks the players to make him referee or invite him and then, he asks the other casters to leave ?!! Three days ago, he asked Gretorp to leave a game he was about to cast because he was "the only allowed observer" and right now, he just told the gosugamers guy to GTFO because its' "his tournament". (lol it's the gosucup AHAHA) Who is this random dude trashtalking players who have been active on TL for years. I'm really angry, such a bad karma. | ||
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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SubtleArt
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mjg06d
United States2 Posts
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
Haters gonna hate? | ||
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qoiN
Sweden576 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
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tattare
4 Posts
Don't blame BigT for gosugamer's failure to communicate with the players. | ||
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yejin
France493 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:22 metaldragon wrote: IT was Huks choice to allow BigT Haters gonna hate? BigT is the one who told the gosugamers admins to leave a gosucup game. And about Huk, he should learn his place, he's a player in a tournament, if he gets the cash, he has to know the rules, he doesn't chose whoever casts his game. I find it very insulting to kick admins of a game they organize. The guys handle the tournament for free, reward the player with money, the decency would be to let them stream aswell. | ||
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Craton
United States17254 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
During a Huk game during Craftcup he tried to get all casters removed and instate a policy where each player selects one caster, trying to get very community oriented streams like GLHF kicked out He just now had Huk remake and leave out the Gosugamer streamers in their own tournament. Not to mention when he was telling Huk what build his opponent uses through msn while he was streaming. He constantly tries to interfere with the players/streamers to make sure he is the only caster in a game. He is incredibly shady, I've never seen a caster try to pull this shit. I'm glad he's not featured, and I honestly hope he gets banned from casting any more tournaments with the way he acts. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:27 yejin wrote: BigT is the one who told the gosugamers admins to leave a gosucup game. And about Huk, he should learn his place, he's a player in a tournament, if he gets the cash, he has to know the rules, he doesn't chose whoever casts his game. I find it very insulting to kick admins of a game they organize. The guys handle the tournament for free, reward the player with money, the decency would be to let them stream aswell. Of course he's aware that it's not his tournament. Neither was he aware of who the GG casters were. I was watching both streams at the time. If you're going to blame anyone blame the organization of the tournament in regards to casting, the rules should be clear if they allow other streamers to stream the games. If I understood the situation correctly he simply thought the GG streamers were observers/random streamers rather than actual tournament organizers. Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but disguising a clear flame post as a 'blog' seems to make you more of a douche, OP. | ||
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tattare
4 Posts
But please do provide proof to support your accusations. Gosugamers will need to revise how, and what, they inform their players who join their tournaments. Things like this shouldn't happen. | ||
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yejin
France493 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:31 vyyye wrote: Of course he's aware that it's not his tournament. Neither was he aware of who the GG casters were. I was watching both streams at the time. If you're going to blame anyone blame the organization of the tournament in regards to casting, the rules should be clear if they allow other streamers to stream the games. If I understood the situation correctly he simply thought the GG streamers were observers/random streamers rather than actual tournament organizers. After reading your post and thinking for 12 seconds, I decided I would still blame it on BigT for being a selfish and gross person who shouldn't be allowed to cast a game. | ||
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Yurie
11899 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:37 Sadistx wrote: Who's BigT ? Some random (bad) caster who seems to always stir up shit and then play the victim | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
After reading your post and thinking for 12 seconds, I decided I would still blame it on BigT for being a selfish and gross person who shouldn't be allowed to cast a game. doesn't help your cause :/ | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Icedoticezero
5 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:44 yejin wrote: I dont need help neither do I have a cause, I'm just pissed to be home, peacefully watching a peaceful stream and enjoying my evening when this guy comes in and ruins the charm for the third time in a week. Huk was the one who kicked the Gosu guys out, blame him if anyone. Pretty sure it was concerning lag anyway. Watching players play badly in lag isn't entertaining anyway. | ||
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dilatedmind
4 Posts
I've been watching his stream on and off the past couple weeks and he has moved from casting his own games to helping to cover the weekly tournaments. He has been doing a good job and working long hours (sometimes more then 10 hours in a row) to bring coverage throughout an entire event. I remember the first time the issue of kicking casters came up... during one of the tournaments about 10 spectators were in a game, causing the players to lag. They requested that only one or two casters remain. I have no doubt that after going through the process of being polite and trying to sort things out game after game, bigT might have gotten a little rude, but really he just has the experience of doing this many times and probably just wants to get the game started as soon as possible. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
BigT is the one who told the gosugamers admins to leave a gosucup game. And about Huk, he should learn his place, He knows his place perfectly, if he wants he can have no casters at all in his games. He does not have to let anybody be in his game other than the guy hes facing | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
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Icedoticezero
5 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:54 ffz wrote: It is kind of rude to kick out the tourney streamers and let some other streamer stay. Rude or not, seems like its also against their rules: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/tournaments.php?show=343§ion=rules "Streaming: We will provide streams of as many games as possible, but the tournament is open for other medias to cast as well, contact Marko@GosuGamers.net if you're interested. GosuGamers streams are always allowed into the games." | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4214 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:50 dilatedmind wrote: Hey BigT is not a douche, I think he's just kind of misunderstood. I've been watching his stream on and off the past couple weeks and he has moved from casting his own games to helping to cover the weekly tournaments. He has been doing a good job and working long hours (sometimes more then 10 hours in a row) to bring coverage throughout an entire event. I remember the first time the issue of kicking casters came up... during one of the tournaments about 10 spectators were in a game, causing the players to lag. They requested that only one or two casters remain. I have no doubt that after going through the process of being polite and trying to sort things out game after game, bigT might have gotten a little rude, but really he just has the experience of doing this many times and probably just wants to get the game started as soon as possible. How much did bigt pay you to sign up on teamliquid to say that? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:51 GlassMan wrote: He knows his place perfectly, if he wants he can have no casters at all in his games. He does not have to let anybody be in his game other than the guy hes facing Players don't decide who joins games, admins do. The fact is every time Huk plays, BigT tries to throw his weight around. They have some agreement to make sure he's the only caster. Why a player has such an interest in who casts his games is kind of questionable. It can be seen as incredibly shady. At best it's a mutual arrangement to make sure BigT is the only caster in order to get more viewers. People who say admins shouldn't stand for it are absolutely right, people should not put up with BigT's shit. As a viewer I'm really tired of watching BigT try to screw over other streams. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
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RonNation
United States385 Posts
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Artifex
Belgium189 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
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Sadist
United States7285 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:03 Artifex wrote: HuK only said he wanted SOME of the streamers to leave because he was afraid of ingame lag - then mister Big said "well this is MY tournament after all, I make the rules" and proceeded to kick everyone else out. A while later he was bragging about how high his viewer number was... No, he never said that. His exact words were "this is my tournament" "lol" Neither did he kick anyone else out, HuK decided who stayed and who didn't that game. If you're going to make an argument, at least provide the facts. I believe they actually remade the game, HuK and MorroW agreed on it and they seemed to think only one streamer was necessary. The players decided who stayed and didn't, not BigT. Edit: I'm not trying to take sides here, I think the whole situation was handled rather silly by both parties. But there are so many blatant lies flying about in regards to this situation (I'm not at all familiar with any of the past drama). "He said Y, they said X" when it wasn't the case at all. Considering GG said they would make sure to sort any issues after the tournament it does look like parts of the community are simply trying to create a flamewar. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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brokenex
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Vexin
Romania84 Posts
That guy asked everyone to leave and BigT was asked to leave as well; he only managed to stay because he said he was one of the official casters, which I don't know if he is or not and I don't give a shit anyway but he didn't ask anyone to leave. I'm not trying to defend BigT, I just think people should get a clue before they stir shit up. | ||
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nineninja9
United States194 Posts
Of course I have no idea who BigT is, so I won't pass judgment either way. | ||
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Ohanzee
Norway4 Posts
At least the GG people where calm about it in their stream. They said they'd deal with this after the Tournament. Obviously bad communication. | ||
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Wendizzle22
United States11 Posts
Last week, this is a summary of how the game chat went when BigT lagged, I don't know the exact game and thus cannot find the replay. HuK: BigT out BigT: It's ok, it'll pass HuK: BigT out BigT: It's fine, just play (This was a lengthy time of lagging as well) Also, on this same weekend, I believe he was telling HuK what his opponent did the last game to beat him, in the middle of a series. I'm not sure on the official code of conduct, but I do believe you definately should not be doing that. I know people can watch replays, but I have never seen it in the middle of a series. He needs to learn his place. This is only one example of his selfishness shown in his terrible casting. | ||
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binary25
United States28 Posts
Huk and Morrow decided to remake game and chose only BigT to cast. BigT didn't "bully" other casters and tried to get them kicked. I don't ever remember BigT bragging about his viewer count, or acting all haughty for casting Morrow vs Huk. It was a simple misunderstanding, it's not an effin big deal, and you guys need to stop exaggerating and posting quotes out of context to push your own agendas against BigT. | ||
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Vexin
Romania84 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:13 nineninja9 wrote: I think it's hilarious that so many single post users are showing up defending someone who appears to be unpopular amongst certain viewers. It seems incredibly suspicious to me. Of course I have no idea who BigT is, so I won't pass judgment either way. Someone posted the forum link in the chat and since I made a TL account yesterday I figured I'd tell what I saw, that's it. | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:16 binary25 wrote: Man some of you are drama queens, EXAGGERATING so much what happened. Acting like divas and blowing this up. I was watching entire time. Right when game started Huk paused and told someone to drop because of lag. A guy named Enron told BigT to drop first because he is a GosuGamers streamer. BigT was confused because he didn' t recognize Enron and stated that he never heard of him. Huk and Morrow decided to remake game and chose only BigT to cast. BigT didn't "bully" other casters and tried to get them kicked. I don't ever remember BigT bragging about his viewer count, or acting all haughty for casting Morrow vs Huk. It was a simple misunderstanding, it's not an effin big deal, and you guys need to stop exaggerating and posting quotes out of context to push your own agendas against BigT. This. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:43 pred470r wrote: Can't say it's really his fault if the TO's can't enforce the rules on their own tournaments. I don't think that's how it works. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Zidane
United States1688 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:21 ghermination wrote: The number of random 1 posters coming into this thread to defend BigT is really suspicious. I agree with the title wholeheartedly, BigT really is a douche and doesn't deserve a slice of the sc2 caster pie he's so greedily trying to take. Haha yeah, I think a mod needs to take a look at the IP's for those posters... + Show Spoiler + CHILL WHERE ARE YOU BigT is kind of a douche, but from the few moments I watched his stream he seemed okay... Whatever it takes for e-fame, right? | ||
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binary25
United States28 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:21 ghermination wrote: The number of random 1 posters coming into this thread to defend BigT is really suspicious. I agree with the title wholeheartedly, BigT really is a douche and doesn't deserve a slice of the sc2 caster pie he's so greedily trying to take. Well for me, today was the first day of actually watching BigT's stream. Someone posted this link, and I see people blowing the events of what happened out of proportion or just out right spreading false information. I don't care if it was BigT or GosuGamers, but I felt the need to to post some actual truth. I have no idea what BigT has done in the past, but for what happened today it's absolutely ridiculous how people are claiming BigT purposely and forcefully got GG gamers denied from the Huk v Morrow game. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:27 binary25 wrote: Well for me, today was the first day of actually watching BigT's stream. Someone posted this link, and I see people blowing the events of what happened out of proportion or just out right spreading false information. I don't care if it was BigT or GosuGamers, but I felt the need to to post some actual truth. I have no idea what BigT has done in the past, but for what happened today it's absolutely ridiculous how people are claiming BigT purposely and forcefully got GG gamers denied from the Huk v Morrow game. So you've been lurking this site for a while then? Why sign up to post in some thread about BigT instead of to post in some much more important tpoic that doesn't involve 1 really shady guy that no one really likes being mysteriously defended by a bunch of other guys who also decided to sign up at that random time? Edit: reading that, my own words confused me | ||
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lostshard
United States95 Posts
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
All those 1 posters say the same thing about drama i wouldnt be surprised if they came from just one nerd. ive watched BigT stream and honestly you can tell this guys terrible, not saying i have great streaming experience or am a great caster myself but for fucks sake we need a better guy than this powerhungry douche with little or no gameplay knowledge to be telling me whats happening in the game. | ||
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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GiantLaserGun
Canada9 Posts
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binary25
United States28 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:28 ghermination wrote: So you've been lurking this site for a while then? Why sign up to post in some thread about BigT instead of to post in some much more important tpoic that doesn't involve 1 really shady guy that no one really likes being mysteriously defended by a bunch of other guys who also decided to sign up at that random time? Edit: reading that, my own words confused me I only visit this site for the links to other streams. I rarely read the forums. Does that answer your question? | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:30 GiantLaserGun wrote: Hey guys just dropping by to say how awesome BigT is. Lol is this a joke or?... On August 16 2010 07:30 binary25 wrote: I only visit this site for the links to other streams. I rarely read the forums. Does that answer your question? Yes it does. Even if your legitimacy is proved, there's still another bajillion alts to go. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:25 synapse wrote: Haha yeah, I think a mod needs to take a look at the IP's for those posters... + Show Spoiler + CHILL WHERE ARE YOU BigT is kind of a douche, but from the few moments I watched his stream he seemed okay... Whatever it takes for e-fame, right? from few times i have watched his stream he was always asking for donations, stopped watching after that. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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brokenex
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Atamysk
United States2 Posts
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:25 synapse wrote: Haha yeah, I think a mod needs to take a look at the IP's for those posters... + Show Spoiler + CHILL WHERE ARE YOU BigT is kind of a douche, but from the few moments I watched his stream he seemed okay... Whatever it takes for e-fame, right? I just watched his stream and it was pretty lagy + he didn't really add anything to the game. All he said was the plain and obvious stuff and he really didn't go into any detail about the importance of certain events or upgrades. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
Basing anything off of post count is ridiculous guys. I'm not a fan of BigT, but I'm also not a fan of hating on the low post counts.  | ||
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Antiochus
Canada548 Posts
I would be surprised if these accounts weren't BigT on a bunch of alts cause seriously you registered just so you could post to defend some random streamer?  Edit: Not hating on the new users if they are legit but it just seems like 4-5 people registered all at once to defend this guy. It seems kinda fishy. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
I do not hate the low post people; I just do not appreciate their attitude when they post (in some cases). | ||
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Vexin
Romania84 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:34 Dgtl wrote: I just watched his stream and it was pretty lagy + he didn't really add anything to the game. All he said was the plain and obvious stuff and he really didn't go into any detail about the importance of certain events or upgrades. He's an average caster at best, I don't think anyone watching him can deny that, it tends to be funny especially when you see he can't even handle getting in an IRC channel or switching for the shitty livestream to ustream because he has no clue. That still doesn't make the claims of the original poster true, which is why people posted to dispel the bullshit. That's before people got butthurt and called the IP Police. | ||
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Ohanzee
Norway4 Posts
I didn't defend BigT at all either, I'm just not totally trashing him like you based on what's really nothing. I don't particularly like him myself. He's clearly not a very humble guy, but you guys are just jumping the witch hunt train. Not really surprised at that though. Your kind are always very vocal when there's a chance of drama. "Someone has fans, I must hate him and make it the goal of my life to ruin him." Kinda sad, but what ever makes you feel good I guess. | ||
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apm66
Canada943 Posts
Sloppy casting much by Sloppy casters from gosugamers? Get it?  | ||
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Atamysk
United States2 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/tournaments.php?show=343§ion=rules | ||
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:41 Ohanzee wrote: So I have 1 post. Amazing argument. I didn't defend BigT at all either, I'm just not totally trashing him like you based on what's really nothing. I don't particularly like him myself. He's clearly not a very humble guy, but you guys are just jumping the witch hunt train. Not really surprised at that though. Your kind are always very vocal when there's a chance of drama. "Someone has fans, I must hate him and make it the goal of my life to ruin him." Kinda sad, but what ever makes you feel good I guess. u have 1 post it is actually a very big argument. User was banned for this post. | ||
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so.nerdy
Canada31 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
I hope he does something despicable! | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:22 metaldragon wrote: IT was Huks choice to allow BigT Haters gonna hate? Players have no business choosing casters as they're simply players. Players play, casters cast. they shouldnt mix and tell each other what to do unless the observer is lagging the game. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:46 Serpico wrote: Players have no business choosing casters as they're simply players. Players play, casters cast. they shouldnt mix and tell each other what to do unless the observer is lagging the game. That's exactly what happened. The game was lagging. | ||
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naonao
United States847 Posts
However from reading this blog and various other things that BigT has done, he seems to me to be the Combat-ex of Sc2. They both have huge egos, bad at apologies, start lots of drama, and are BM. I think we need someone to give BigT a beatdown in a grudgematch now. | ||
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
On August 16 2010 06:34 yejin wrote: After reading your post and thinking for 12 seconds, I decided I would still blame it on BigT for being a selfish and gross person who shouldn't be allowed to cast a game. You can't tell to someone they shouldn't be able to do what they like/love just because you dislike them, you can however say that they should have some doors closed to them untill they change their attitude On August 16 2010 06:40 floor exercise wrote: Some random (bad) caster who seems to always stir up shit and then play the victim this pretty much sums him up a lot. on a side note, i find it quite funny the amount of people that have been on TL for some time and hate BigT compared to the new users that seem to like him.. On August 16 2010 07:52 naonao wrote: Disclaimer: I've never watched BigT's stream However from reading this blog and various other things that BigT has done, he seems to me to be the Combat-ex of Sc2. They both have huge egos, bad at apologies, start lots of drama, and are BM. I think we need someone to give BigT a beatdown in a grudgematch now. Chill vs BigT grudgematch with Day9 casting like he did in the showmatch vs Combat-ex :D | ||
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yejin
France493 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:48 vyyye wrote: That's exactly what happened. The game was lagging. Yes, and the game was still lagging with gosugamers out and BigT in. And they're the admins. | ||
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tattare
4 Posts
Now in hindsight I shouldn't even have registered for this, not that it mattered anyway since most people here are too important to care about a 1 post user. However, I still think that gosugamers need to get better at informing the tournament participants about who the official casters are so stupid drama like this don't happen again. | ||
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GiantLaserGun
Canada9 Posts
1. BigT 2. Day9 3. Trump 4. Response 5. GLHF.tv 6. Lz 7. ROOT Gaming 8. iCCupTV 9. vT Gaming 10. Sen 9000. GosuGamers | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:53 yejin wrote: Yes, and the game was still lagging with gosugamers out and BigT in. And they're the admins. Right, but they didn't know that before deciding who had to leave and who didn't. It didn't become apparent that the game was going to lag anyway before they actually remade the game. If it's BigT or the fact that MorroW is in Sweden and HuK is in Canada that caused the lag I don't know, but either way no one knew it in the first place. | ||
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Ohanzee
Norway4 Posts
I get it, he's got a big epeen, and you just can't stand people that have a bigger one than you right? He also said he had no idea who the people he kicked out was. Now let me hear you twist that one to suit your argument as well. I agree BigT isn't the most likable guy, but this is just sad. | ||
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Lysis
United States147 Posts
Also Chill vs BigT grudgematch would be hilarious. | ||
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
pause, you know what a pause is....? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT | ||
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Pokedude1013
116 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I have no idea who this guy is but I hate him already from reading this blog. Sounds like high school all over again. Seriously, was that post even half-blog worthy? Blogs (as I understand them) are supposed to make a point. Here's just a guy who's bashing another guy. I actually was watching the stream when it happened, I agree with GG in that it really wasn't BigT's place because he wasn't running the tournament, but at the same time I don't see this as 'OMG GO ON TL MAKE PERSONAL ATTACK BLOG worthy.' GG, the guys who would have been the most offended, didn't make a big deal out of it, and you have less of an excuse. I mean making a post like this will only make people like (above) have a very negative opinion of someone they've never met. If this person is as much a douche as you say, they'll know it when they meet him. Otherwise why go soil someone's reputation? | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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jejehrhr
Canada34 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:03 meRz wrote: For anyone saying "It was HuKs choice" must've missed the part where bigt was spamming HuK in /w during that game saying "Who the fuck are these guys, remake and just let me cast". If this is true (and I trust merz wholly) that's pretty much unforgivable... | ||
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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tarian
United States67 Posts
Also, on this topic... BigT does NOT lag at all, so having him cast a game is good when the other casters have absolute shit internet. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:03 meRz wrote: For anyone saying "It was HuKs choice" must've missed the part where bigt was spamming HuK in /w during that game saying "Who the fuck are these guys, remake and just let me cast". I remember him asking who they were but I can't recall the profanity nor "rmk and let me cast and only me". You sure it was said in that 'tone'? Not saying you're wrong, I might be remembering this incorrectly. But I can't for the life of me recall him having a "I should be the only caster ffs" attitude during that game. | ||
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
It should be set before the tournament even starts, who is casting. IF you need casters for multiple languages, set that up too... The fact that they have multiple people casting games in the same language on multiple streams is a big problem. | ||
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Prixm
Sweden145 Posts
He has the right to be there to stream. The players want him to stream for him. They like him, why would the one with most viewers and the most liked caster just let 3k people down? You guys are fucking idiots. User was warned for this post | ||
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:08 tarian wrote: Also, on this topic... BigT does NOT lag at all, so having him cast a game is good when the other casters have absolute shit internet. Except the other casters don't have shit internet... because if they did, they wouldn't be casters. | ||
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nineninja9
United States194 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:35 Alou wrote: All these hundred post users coming in are hilarious. Not even seeing the event and then saying they're right because they aren't a one post user. Hahaha. Basing anything off of post count is ridiculous guys. I'm not a fan of BigT, but I'm also not a fan of hating on the low post counts. In the interest of fairness I will quote all of the people that have commented on the single post users, some of which now have 2 or 3 posts. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2010 07:21 ghermination wrote: The number of random 1 posters coming into this thread to defend BigT is really suspicious. I agree with the title wholeheartedly, BigT really is a douche and doesn't deserve a slice of the sc2 caster pie he's so greedily trying to take. On August 16 2010 07:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The amount of single digit post count users is amusing. User was warned for this post On August 16 2010 07:25 Zidane wrote: lol @ the six or so 1 post count users in this thread, all of which are defending said guy. On August 16 2010 07:29 SanguineToss wrote: Ahahaha those 1 post people coming in and defending BigT is hilarious bahahah. All those 1 posters say the same thing about drama i wouldnt be surprised if they came from just one nerd. ive watched BigT stream and honestly you can tell this guys terrible, not saying i have great streaming experience or am a great caster myself but for fucks sake we need a better guy than this powerhungry douche with little or no gameplay knowledge to be telling me whats happening in the game. On August 16 2010 07:30 Dgtl wrote: Wow, 6+ 1-3 post users all posting in a thread defending the guy the thread is bashing? I call shenanigans. This one is not as clear an instance of your example, but it is commenting incredulously about a single post user defending BigT quite enthusiastically. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2010 06:59 prototype. wrote: How much did bigt pay you to sign up on teamliquid to say that? And of course myself. Of these, I am the only one that likely qualifies for you criteria of "hundred post users." This is somewhat questionable, but your use of the phrase "all these hundred post users" is somewhat ambiguous; I suppose it is reasonable that we have different standards of when that phrasing is appropriate. If I have missed one, I apologize, but I believe that the preponderance of posters that do not qualify for "hundred post users" makes it unlikely that I have missed enough users to make these "hundred post users" a majority, which at least is closer to a commonly accepted definition of "all these hundred post users." Personally, I think judging on post count is a completely ludicrous practice. If a person with low postcount posts an idea for a build, or a comment in a balance thread, I think it makes sense to judge that post by its content and not by the user. However, I also think that it is reasonable to find something odd about a situation where 5 or 6 people who have never posted on this forum before and have never found a good enough reason to post (instead of simply lurk), believe that this BigT is such a good caster or is so unfairly mistreated by part of the community that they simply must stand up for him. Again though, I do not know anything about BigT and can pass no judgment on him personally, though this hopefully coincidental congregation of new posters amuses me regardless of the situation. It is either a rare coincidence or a entertaining example of (self) advertisement. EDIT: Another "hundred post user" has popped up while I was writing this post. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2010 08:01 ecdN wrote: His self promotion is pretty hilarious as well. While his postcount is not actually in the hundreds, I think his post falls under your classification. Of course, this still is not a sufficient number of "hundred post users" to constitute a majority of the posters commenting on the number of single post users. | ||
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k4ne
Austria34 Posts
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:10 Prixm wrote: Haters gonna hate. There will always be haters. But he is the best caster out there, he brings it all to the table, he does share it all with everyone. He has the most views and he streams endless hours almoste every every day. He has the right to be there to stream. The players want him to stream for him. They like him, why would the one with most viewers and the most liked caster just let 3k people down? You guys are fucking idiots. You can tell BigT fanboys by their catch phrases. ie. "Haters gonna hate." What are you 12? | ||
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:16 Wendizzle22 wrote: BigT is just selfish and a terrible caster. Last week, this is a summary of how the game chat went when BigT lagged, I don't know the exact game and thus cannot find the replay. HuK: BigT out BigT: It's ok, it'll pass HuK: BigT out BigT: It's fine, just play (This was a lengthy time of lagging as well) Also, on this same weekend, I believe he was telling HuK what his opponent did the last game to beat him, in the middle of a series. I'm not sure on the official code of conduct, but I do believe you definately should not be doing that. I know people can watch replays, but I have never seen it in the middle of a series. He needs to learn his place. This is only one example of his selfishness shown in his terrible casting. Lets see it. You are clearly lying here. | ||
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-Kareem-
44 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:16 binary25 wrote: Man some of you are drama queens, EXAGGERATING so much what happened. Acting like divas and blowing this up. I was watching entire time. Right when game started Huk paused and told someone to drop because of lag. A guy named Enron told BigT to drop first because he is a GosuGamers streamer. BigT was confused because he didn' t recognize Enron and stated that he never heard of him. Huk and Morrow decided to remake game and chose only BigT to cast. BigT didn't "bully" other casters and tried to get them kicked. I don't ever remember BigT bragging about his viewer count, or acting all haughty for casting Morrow vs Huk. It was a simple misunderstanding, it's not an effin big deal, and you guys need to stop exaggerating and posting quotes out of context to push your own agendas against BigT. This ^ BigT hasn't been lagging anything nor has his stream been lagging. It's either live stream or the piece of sh*t computer that you're sitting on. | ||
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SageFantasma
United States383 Posts
When BigT said: "its my tournament//lol" he was kidding, as you should know from the use of "lol". Yes, you do need to be taught in Internet slang, because you clearly don't understand it. BigT didn't know who those guys were, so when they said that it was their tournament, he thought they were just trolling him. Yes he's got a big ego, but why do you care? If you had players like HuK and MorroW frequenting your stream, you'd probably have a pretty big ego yourself. BigT even admits he has a giant ass ego when he says "I'm not letting any of you viewers go because I'm a view-whore blah blah blah"(not exactly what he says, but that's close to it). BigT is just having fun. He actually has some good COLORFUL commentary unlike most of the GosuGamers casters, so I certainly don't mind. Back on topic though, clearly those admins didn't care and they understood because they didn't press the issue(as far as I know). Just because BigT isn't your cup of tea, doesn't mean you get to call him a douche for something he isn't responsible for. You can tell he's doing his best to be professional, so this is pretty uncalled for. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
lol | ||
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
As for the 100 posts makes you cool thing, sure if by cool you mean retarded troll. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:16 SanguineToss wrote: omg i never even knew tl had these many 0 posters. lol I wonder how many of them are BigT. | ||
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BigMoe
United States23 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:18 BigMoe wrote: I like how this thread has ~100 replies... ~50 of which are against BigT, YET there are currently 2600 people watching his stream that like it. If you don't like him, don't watch him. Simple as that. There are other streams you can watch. Grow up, and have a nice day. Did you read the OP? We wouldn't watch him if he wasn't asking the other casters to leave the games he's in. | ||
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heero884
4 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:15 Elegy wrote: The problem with the hordes of BigT fans coming out and defending their hero is that they are probably new to SC in general, meaning they probably haven't ever heard...well, a good caster. Well how about recommending a good SC2 caster for these noobs. If being a diamond league player doesn't qualify you to be a caster then I am surely missing something? | ||
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Prixm
Sweden145 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:12 ecdN wrote: You can tell BigT fanboys by their catch phrases. ie. "Haters gonna hate." What are you 12? Your Funny. I heard they are giving out free donuts and cheeseburgers to fat dudes with small dicks. So why are you still here? Seriously, judging BigT for something this ridiculous. Fucking drama queens all of you. Just having to troll and making fun of someone that does a great job just to feel good about your small cock and that you'll probably die a virgin. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Harmonik
1 Post
<[M]HuK> yo <[M]HuK> can we have <[M]HuK> 1 <[M]HuK> streamer <[M]HuK> in game only <[M]HuK> idk why we need 5 different streamers <[M]HuK> in every single game <[M]HuK> when there is lag and delay <[M]HuK> admin? <@GG-erZ> hmm That was huk on irc. | ||
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FortuneSyn
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BigMoe
United States23 Posts
OR.. If this is the case.. Watch another stream, and get a replay if you want to see a certain game. Simple as that, and a LOT more effective that whining on the internet. | ||
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:19 yejin wrote: Poor TL.net, now I understand what they meant by "lots of newcomers". TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:22 Shaozor wrote: keep disrespecting the vets around here and you wont last long...TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:20 heero884 wrote: If being a diamond league player doesn't qualify you to be a caster then I am surely missing something? well to put it bluntly, being diamond league in sc2 is what any 12 year old who can copy a build order should be ^^ You want a good caster? Ask Louder to cast more games, he'd on ICCUP stream right now and is one of the best casters I've ever heard. That's the kind of knowledge, gamesense, and speaking ability that makes you a good caster. TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. LLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLL | ||
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Dist
United Kingdom5 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:18 BigMoe wrote: I like how this thread has ~100 replies... ~50 of which are against BigT, YET there are currently 2600 people watching his stream that like it. If you don't like him, don't watch him. Simple as that. There are other streams you can watch. Grow up, and have a nice day. Just because there are thousands of people watching doesn't mean that they are watching without problems. BigT is the only stream that lags for me due to livestream (not BigTs fault, but it is his choice ot use livestream and not ustream) and yet I still watch because sometimes there is no alternative, and the chat is spammed by all the BigT fanboys and the stupid 'hatters gonna hate' response every time someone even mentions lag. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:22 Shaozor wrote: TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. What the fuck are you trying to say? I literally can't parse this. | ||
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Thratur
Canada917 Posts
I have no idea what really happened with all these people contradicting each other... | ||
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-Kareem-
44 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:23 Malgrif wrote: keep disrespecting the vets around here and you wont last long... lol.. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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Zhang
United States129 Posts
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:21 Prixm wrote: Your Funny. I heard they are giving out free donuts and cheeseburgers to fat dudes with small dicks. So why are you still here? Seriously, judging BigT for something this ridiculous. Fucking drama queens all of you. Just having to troll and making fun of someone that does a great job just to feel good about your small cock and that you'll probably die a virgin. Proving my point. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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FreshRectum
Canada1 Post
UMMMMMMMMM... UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, UMMMMMMMMMMM.... UHHHHHHHH.... UMMMMMMMMMMMM.... UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.. UHHHHH.. UMMMMMMM GG NOOB1 ADVANCES User was banned for this post. | ||
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zethyr
United States7 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:22 Shaozor wrote: TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. Low count posters like you would do well to respect the veterans on this site. This is a very respectable community, and the newcomers who enter trying to grab the reigns and stage a coup will be quickly struck down. I've only been around for ~1.5 years, but I've given the vets the respect they deserve. Get your e-peen out of BigT's ass and shut it. | ||
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
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Serpico
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Saawhoo
United States2 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
He mostly only just says what's going on, not giving any insight, but that's kind of what you expect from all the SCII casters nowadays... EDIT: I suspect someone on BigT's channel's chat told everyone about this blog, and that's why so many new users showed up, made accounts, and posted in his defense. Very possible. | ||
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Kiada
United Kingdom4 Posts
errr I just watched HuK drop the 'n' bomb on BigtTs stream lol.. anyways as I was saying, I thought it was disappointing GG got dropped as streamers for their own tourny, but I wouldnt blame it on anything other than disorganization and the ego's of certain players. I saw BigT say it was his tourny, but I think he was saying it tongue-in-cheek as a response to the people he thought were trolling. I really enjoy watching the tournys and I haven't seen any past drama as I'm not very active on the forums. I just hope this time round you can cut BigT a bit of slack with this as from an independents point of view it wasn't that big of a deal. | ||
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Prixm
Sweden145 Posts
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Saawhoo
United States2 Posts
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seRapH
United States9773 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:22 Shaozor wrote: TL.net doesn't need the pity. You and the other veterans do, however. Its going to get rough for you close-minded vets over the next few weeks that you are visiting this site. You are going to be overrun and you'll be completely unprepared with dealing with the influx of new members. Employing the hate strategy will force you veterans out easily. Its the zerg, not a small influx of members. its also incredibly suspicious when countless low post count (and by low i mean almost none) members start to defend someone who is generally disliked by anyone who's actually been here for longer than a week. a WEEK. let's take a look at who's defending this alleged douche + Show Spoiler [list of accounts made today] + tattare Icedoticezero dilatedmind GlassMan brokenex Vexin Ohanzee binary25 Atamysk heero884 Harmonik | ||
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BigMoe
United States23 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:24 Dist wrote: Just because there are thousands of people watching doesn't mean that they are watching without problems. BigT is the only stream that lags for me due to livestream (not BigTs fault, but it is his choice ot use livestream and not ustream) and yet I still watch because sometimes there is no alternative, and the chat is spammed by all the BigT fanboys and the stupid 'hatters gonna hate' response every time someone even mentions lag. And as has been stated plenty of times in chat, and over the stream, he is thinking of switching to UStream. And honestly... when ~30 people/3000 are complaining about lag.. I don't think its the stream. (Yes, I know Livestream sucks.) Hopefully he will make the transition soon, its just all about getting it setup correctly, from which I have read can be a pain in the ass. | ||
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Wattsy1231
2 Posts
Bottom line to what everyone has been whining about with BigT, he's "a Jerk", that "kick admins out of games in their own tournaments", as well as "being too cocky" and "disrespectful", as well as "giving strategies to HuK so that he can counter his opponents." 1) BigT might be a jerk but who cares? He's a caster, and he gets viewers because he's not a conservative boring caster like 90% of the others that I have seen. 2) BigT has a god given right to say whatever the hell he wants at all times. (He actually lives in America.) If admins feel necessary, kick him out of the tournament as far as casting goes (but keep in mind of how many of his viewers wouldn't watch other streams because they're boring.) because EVEN THOUGH it's a free tournament, gosugamers are getting publicity just by the name of the tournament itself, EVEN IF THEY DON'T CAST. ALSO, if a caster is going to lag in game, he can either leave, or HuK can leave (and not play) which loses viewers and support (like myself) as HuK is my personal favorite player. 3) Being cocky and maybe "disrespectful" is also part of being a caster, people laugh, and it gets views, which is why he's being a "viewer hoarder" at this moment in time. Sorry, but I don't want to watch streams that are casted HORRIBLY without satire, by majority of casters out there. Lastly 4) What is the difference if I give HuK a strategy against what he did wrong (AFTER THE GAME), or if BigT does it? OR WHAT IF WHITE-RA IS ON SKYPE WITH HIM TELLING HIM THE BUILD ORDER?!.. ORRRR HuK can just watch the replay and say "Oh, I did this wrong!".. You people are just stupid, if it's no longer acceptable to say Terran/Protoss are OP, members are just going to find something else to complain about. DEAL WITH IT and quit trying to bash one caster, because you're bad at it. MY BAD if I get lit up on my grammar, you get the drift. People just need to quit being bad. P.S. SC1 since dial-up was cool. gg. | ||
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Ohanzee
Norway4 Posts
Lets have zero casters of the final instead. Brilliant. Last GG tourney or cast I watch. | ||
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tarian
United States67 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:23 Malgrif wrote: keep disrespecting the vets around here and you wont last long... Disrespecting people like you is not what could make someone last less longer than someone else... Disrespecting teamliquid.net's staff is something more serious... You're just a troll. Gosugamers are failing miserably btw User was warned for this post | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
jelly of viewer numbers well no finals stream then | ||
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YoonHo
Canada1043 Posts
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heero884
4 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:35 seRapH wrote: its also incredibly suspicious when countless low post count (and by low i mean almost none) members start to defend someone who is generally disliked by anyone who's actually been here for longer than a week. a WEEK. let's take a look at who's defending this alleged douche + Show Spoiler [list of accounts made today] + tattare Icedoticezero dilatedmind GlassMan brokenex Vexin Ohanzee binary25 Atamysk heero884 Harmonik I can assure you this is my only account. Usually I lurk here but I decided to register today. If needed I'm sure the Admins can check the IP addresses of the people registering. On August 16 2010 08:36 Ohanzee wrote: Nice to see GG feeding all the haters to. Lets have zero casters of the final instead. Brilliant. Last GG tourney or cast I watch. Must take revenge yo! | ||
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Naught
Denmark59 Posts
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
It also does not matter if I do disrespect you because you aren't in control here and I am much more powerful. The TL staff are great but you veterans belittling the low post-count members here are simply retarded. Have fun dealing with the hate zerg you are creating. | ||
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zethyr
United States7 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:40 YoonHo wrote: I think, in this thread alone, I saw more members with 0-5 posts than I've ever seen in my entire time on TL.net. Oh man, I totally agree with you on this one, and I have something to add too - this is the most vet disrespect that I've ever seen in a thread also. Obviously the 10 commandments were not read by many. | ||
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Zplut
Germany90 Posts
On August 16 2010 07:55 GiantLaserGun wrote: Official Starcraft 2 Streams Power Rankings: 1. BigT 2. Day9 3. Trump 4. Response 5. GLHF.tv 6. Lz 7. ROOT Gaming 8. iCCupTV 9. vT Gaming 10. Sen 9000. GosuGamers Seriously putting anyone or anything above Day9 is pure Blasphemy | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:39 tarian wrote: Disrespecting people like you is not what could make someone last less longer than someone else... Disrespecting teamliquid.net's staff is something more serious... You're just a troll. Gosugamers are failing miserably btw He wasn't talking about himself, the post in question mentions "veterans" generically 3 times. "You and the other veterans need pity", "you closed-minded vets" "...will force you veterans out easily" How was it not disrespecting veterans? | ||
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yejin
France493 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:41 zethyr wrote: you guys react to new posters like white ppl react to black ppl joining their community...very welcoming that is. What ? Why ! Whyyyy. Why would you use such a logic on a videogame website. Racism ? What's next in this thread, Hitler ? Get real, we discuss video games; go use your godwin argument elsewhere  ( | ||
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nBk
174 Posts
I won't pick sides with BigT or GG, they both have their ups & downs, I'm there to watch the games, not the casters since half the time I mute the streams. Oh and to the newer posters like me > Rule #6 on the TL Commandments. | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
The people that post here hate gosugamers and love BigT hmm hmm... hmm... I only watch today BigT stream i have to say something is fucking wrong with Huk and BigT. Gosugamers was gonna casting the finals HuK vs Socke and he said tomorow i need to wake up early to go to work. After 2minutes they msg the caster of gosugamers saying that the finals are going to delay to other day. After 5/10minutes they already show BigT to streaming the game the finals. But gosugamers dont let him ^_^ Im a troll or a fucking genius... | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
This was pretty much a misunderstanding from my point of view. | ||
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Wattsy1231
2 Posts
Last I checked I did my time in the Military, and this sure doesn't look like boot camp to me.. sooo.. glhf? | ||
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DJSyko
United Kingdom8 Posts
Keep it up BigT, dont listen to the idiot haters on here. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15352 Posts
New posters: Learn how this community works. If you just sign up to complain what do you expect will be the reaction by veterans of this site? "Veterans" (Meaning all you hero deputy mod 3 digits posts signed up in late 2009 veterans): Who do you think you are making fun of new posters on this site? Fuck was this thread painful to read. | ||
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