Just played a ZvZ where my opponent used this weird bug that allowed him to build a spine crawler where there was no creep. I'm also assuming that it is possible to build any zerg building where there is no creep using this technique. (build hatchery, immediately cancel, immediately build the other building)

Here is this replay:
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/1937

Anyone seen this before? This cannot be intended, can it?

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

April 19 2010 15:31 GMT

Without having seen the replay yet, I predict he canceled a hatchery and used the leftover creep?

EDIT: Yeah he did. When you cancel a hatchery, there's a minimal area covered in creep for a few seconds, it's enough to place a spinecrawler if you're fast enough after the cancel. I'm not sure this should be labelled as a "bug".

Clow

Brazil880 Posts

April 19 2010 15:34 GMT

rofl, post on the beta forums, I don't think its intended.

N3rV[Green]

United States1935 Posts

April 19 2010 15:34 GMT

Doesn't seem too much like a bug, could and has even been expanded to using this creep to place a tumor and further expand creep from nothing.

WaZuP

Germany487 Posts

April 19 2010 15:36 GMT

there was a similar thread in which was described something like
canceling the hatch place a creeptumor and then build like 5 spine crawlers

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120187

but i think in ZvZ u dont need that trick because u can just build on the enemy creep???

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

April 19 2010 15:37 GMT

Whether or not this was "intended".. I think it's a rather creative and cool technique. It could be labelled as abusing the game or w/e but still, he actually built the spinecrawler on creep, it's just that the creep vanishes after a few seconds. I imagine it's pretty easy to fix if this turns out to be "unstopable" just make cancelled hatcheries spawn no creep whatsoever.

kxr1der

United States213 Posts

April 19 2010 15:38 GMT

Kinda useless in any other application though, I mean it will die without creep eventually so unless you are playing zerg and do exactly this I cant see using it.

Sandrosuperstar

Sweden525 Posts

April 19 2010 15:39 GMT

after the spinecrawler is bult it will die soon after since it looses life fast without creep

member1987

141 Posts

April 19 2010 15:41 GMT

he is probably using the minerals hack, where he can get 1000 minerals for free with canceling and rebuilding on the same place.

Thunder_Sturm

United States36 Posts

April 19 2010 15:43 GMT

#10

Haha, I was chatting with Arcology when he thought of that rush. Funny to see a post about it here now.

Ideas

United States8081 Posts

April 19 2010 15:43 GMT

#11

i hope they keep this in the game because it's awesome.

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

April 19 2010 15:46 GMT

#12

Seems kind of easy to stop if you're just being safe though? Just look around your main real quick before comitting to anything (ala bluestorm TvP, gateways in main) And if you find that spinecrawler, take 4-5 drones off minerals and attack it while its being built + block it from moving to your creep when its done.

wintergt

Belgium1335 Posts

April 19 2010 15:46 GMT

#13

Can't check it out because I don't have the game on my laptop, but don't they just die (lose hp constantly) after the creep evaporates?

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

April 19 2010 15:49 GMT

#14

On April 20 2010 00:46 wintergt wrote:
Can't check it out because I don't have the game on my laptop, but don't they just die (lose hp constantly) after the creep evaporates?

The problem/finesse about ZvZ is that you can use your opponents creep to prevent that.. Which was exactly what happened in the replay. He built it, and it only starts losing HP once it's done, so he moved it to his opponents creep right away and thus prevented it from dying.

NrGMalice

United States104 Posts

April 19 2010 15:50 GMT

#15

On April 20 2010 00:46 meRz wrote:
Seems kind of easy to stop if you're just being safe though? Just look around your main real quick before comitting to anything (ala bluestorm TvP, gateways in main) And if you find that spinecrawler, take 4-5 drones off minerals and attack it while its being built + block it from moving to your creep when its done.

I don't think its overpowered or anything. I was just posting it to see if others had known about it and to question whether it is intended or not.

Brucy

United States51 Posts

April 19 2010 16:00 GMT

#16

Kinda dumb to make a spine crawler like that I could see doing it to make proxy tumors then get some crawlers on that creep, but if u just put a crawler it will die once the creep goes away.