EPTOn April 20 2010 00:23 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
Only a German could care about this lol
Only a German could care about this lol
Exactly my thoughts. Nobody would make this topic other than a German
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Exactly my thoughts. Nobody would make this topic other than a German | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
An ACE starcraft team doesn't somehow indoctrinate young men. You're completely off-base. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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789
United States959 Posts
Also, the fact that you made no differentiation between North and South Korea irks me a bit. North Korea is the country that is viewed as a "threat" by most of the world. | ||
thedeadhaji
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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KwarK
United States43934 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On April 19 2010 23:57 RoosterSamurai wrote: The same thing happens in America, too... i.e. America's Army and AA2 Yeah, that's even far worse. AA is like: "Here young boy, try killing some people. It's tons of fun. Now go do it real life!" I don't have a problem with ACE though. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Just throwing that out there... | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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Acies
Australia196 Posts
I can imagine a reversal of these ads occuring http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/02/25/bad-company-2-amp-french-army-ads-square They would be attempting to associate videogames with actual violence which I think would be detrimental to the esports scene (granted there is none in australia). Starcraft should be about competition and sportsmanship not fantasizing about real combat. | ||
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fulmetljaket
482 Posts
which army? over where? why is advertising the military bad? why does it matter? i feel like a noob. | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
On April 19 2010 23:39 Shizuru~ wrote: i remember reading an article by SDM that says the reason they made the ACE pro-gaming team is to keep Boxer on TV even while he's in the military, so its E-Sports trying to promote itself through the air force, not the otherway around. also, the military is for people who wished to serve their countries, an act of patriotism, and the point ur making is as if to demonise the military organisation of S.Korea, i don't know much about how the military is like is like in S.Korea so i won't comment too much about it. at least do some digging into the history of the ACE team before spouting out some un-informed arguments/points -.- Oh and the military does not gain any benefit out of the relationship? That's the thing that bothers me. On April 19 2010 23:41 dukethegold wrote: [...] Wasn't Boxer instrumental in the creation of ACE? That's what I'm saying. Boxer could have said no. If so ACE wouldn't even exist. In my opinion that'd be great. On April 20 2010 00:16 Musoeun wrote: I tend to think that serving in your country's armed forces is a completely respectable and patriotic career path, so I wouldn't have much of a problem with it anyway - [...] Yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole discussion comes down to this. I just wanted to know how TL thinks. Looks like I'm pretty alone here On April 20 2010 00:23 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Only a German could care about this lol I was hoping some left-wingers would back me up here  On April 20 2010 00:38 CagedMind wrote: I'm having trouble of figuring out what border there is to be crossed. The border between playing a game, having fun, doing nothing that requires much thinking about ethics and real life. Some kids watching Starcraft won't notice the difference. On April 20 2010 00:55 Jibba wrote: Sports have historically served as training grounds for fighter and leaders - to turn boys into men - during times of peace. Just throwing that out there... I know that but there is this thing called evolution  On April 19 2010 23:33 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i like how your poll has no options to agree lol Sorry my poll has the wrong title, I just noticed | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On April 20 2010 01:20 Prof. Protoss wrote: That's what I'm saying. Boxer could have said no. If so ACE wouldn't even exist. In my opinion that'd be great. So you're saying that letting people play a game that they want to keep playing is bad? I mean these players chose to be on ACE after deciding to go to the army. | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
On April 20 2010 01:35 HeartOfTofu wrote: You still haven't responded to what I think is the biggest point which is the fact that military service is mandatory in SK anyway... To be honest, South Koreans for the most part don't really make a big deal out of military service like people in the US. It's not about being a patriot or hero... It's just a normal thing that everyone does and gets over with... Sort've like going to school. I think ACE has a negligable influence at best on any attitude toward the military over there. Hm, that's like saying an advertisment for Coca Cola doesn't matter because people drink Coca Cola anyways. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
I know that but there is this thing called evolution Evolution is completely unrelated to sports being used as training grounds. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole discussion comes down to this. No, it comes down to the fact that service is already mandatory. Oh and the military does not gain any benefit out of the relationship? That's the thing that bothers me. You say that as if the military should never benefit from anything, ever. From everything you've posted, it seems apparent that you have a disdain for the military in general, which is a pretty misguided opinion. You just keep restating your original points without actually elaborating. Whenever you make a statement that goes against the "norm," a detailed why is necessary. For instance, you claim it has an "effect on young people," but you don't even say what that effect is supposed to be, let alone offer anything to support that claim. All you do is paint it negatively. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
On April 20 2010 01:44 Prof. Protoss wrote: Hm, that's like saying an advertisment for Coca Cola doesn't matter because people drink Coca Cola anyways. rofl that's NOT the same, people are not mandated to drink coca cola for 2 years | ||
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