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OverShield
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada41 Posts
February 28 2010 19:02 GMT
#221
I think as long as MLG brings in people like Day9 to help them develop, they'll be okay. The fact that they did their first cast with him is already very promising in that it shows that they know something about the competitive SC scene in general.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-28 19:07:41
February 28 2010 19:04 GMT
#222
On March 01 2010 03:59 Rothbardian wrote:Also, the top Halo players make more than the top SC players...so take that as you will :p


What's your point?

and about the whole MLG thing...I seriously doubt they are worse than KeSPA as far as player's rights are concerned. However, in terms of professionalism I'm less than optimistic.
KTY
Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-28 19:07:09
February 28 2010 19:05 GMT
#223
On March 01 2010 04:02 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2010 03:56 Mannerheim wrote:
On March 01 2010 03:49 Puosu wrote:
It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft.

I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them.

And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi.


Even if MLG signed every well known BW player in US, if it was exclusive and isolated from international competition I wouldn't give two shits about their leagues/events.

I'm not anti-MLG either if they become just another SC2 organizer. But if they want to mimic KeSPA and dictate where and when their players can play, fuck them.


yes I support MLG if they do good tournaments/etc. But if it becomes some sort of monopoly, nazi contract (even worse than Kespa), or this whole "you have the name we want, team name we want, no personal sponsors" then fuck that. I don't want 1 show in town with control over a group of gamers. Because ultimately it exists to promote ITSELF and not the game/players.

We all know what happens when a monopolizing organization sees a new tournament/org (see how Kespa/SKT1 etc sought to undermine gomtv and keep pro gamers from playing in it?) They have their own interests way above that of expanding the sport/players/etc.


To be fair, every sport is like that. If it was a monopoly then no one could compete. If Gom wants to compete then they have to sign players...It's no different than the NFL/USFL/AFL. The USFL had a great shot, but they didn't know how to finance shit and they imploded because they lost 163 million lmao. It makes no sense for the company to let their players play in every league...while it would be great for the consumer, it would be disastrous to the business....
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-28 19:20:01
February 28 2010 19:07 GMT
#224
Also, the top Halo players make more than the top SC players...so take that as you will

Really? We SC players aren't even really aware of how much money the likes of Jaedong and Flash make so how did you come to this conclusion? Needless to say you can't really even compare Korea to USA in these things because not even huge music celebrities make that much money there.

I remember there being some site doing research on this about a year ago and I cant remember there being one Halo player on the list. :O Maybe they didn't have the information..

edit: Quick google search does not give much but states that some top pros have 200k / year so thats pretty much the same someone like NaDa makes not including tournaments/what he gets from advertising stuff etc.

Uh yeah seems like MLG "hired" some players with these 200k deals in 2008ish and after that haven't paid that much to any others and apparently the top prize pools are $100k split between 5 players, sure they make more than the worst SC progamers but really that does not come close to the earnings of Flash/JD/Boxer.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 28 2010 19:11 GMT
#225
that's all nice and dandy...so where are the videos @_@?
Sup
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-28 19:25:19
February 28 2010 19:12 GMT
#226
By attending the Combine, each Player authorizes MLG and Combine Entities to film, record and/or photograph his or her voice and likeness ("Image"), and also grants MLG and Combine Entities the irrevocable right to use any footage, recordings or photographs of him or her recorded or taken during the Combine, or any reproduction or modification thereof (collectively, the "Recordings") in any manner and medium throughout the world an unlimited number of times in perpetuity for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition or any other lawful purpose except where prohibited by law. By attending the Combine, except where prohibited by law each Player further waives any right of inspection or approval of the uses to which MLG may put the Recordings, and releases MLG from any and all claims arising out of or in connection with the Recordings, the Player’s Image or MLG’s use thereof.
LOL

so if boxer showed up to one of their events they would use his image on the box of porn videos or for every future advert. Is that even legal in most stateS?

Also sorry for pretty much every team (mouz/eg/etc), get ready to rename if you want in on MLG

I expect 0 koreans to attend unless they get special permission to use team name and not release their likeness/pictures for being used for eternity.

That is some really shady shit or over the top crap. Switch up the rules on company = team name as 99% of SC2 gamers will be in sponsored teams, and switch up this "release" of likeness for ANY advertising for all time.


Team Name Rules

1. No websites.
2. No use of “Major League Gaming” or its abbreviation (MLG).
3. No use of the word "Team".
4. No use of the words "Gamer" or "Gaming".
5. No derogatory, suggestive, or otherwise inappropriate Words/Meanings.
6. No corporations, company, sponsor, or product names.
7. Teams may not register for a Combine Competition or Pro Circuit Competition with a Team Name that closely resembles that of a current or former Pro Player or Pro Team.
8. Team Names are limited to 20 characters, including spaces.
9. Teams found violating any of the Team Name Rules will have their Team Name changed and will be instructed to rename their Team immediately.


The best advice I can give you all is before you sign/get in contract with MSL, get some sort of group/union together (If it gets big) to bargain for some better rights/rules. AKA all top US players, to at least change the team name to be a company and allowing to wear sponsors clothing (so you can actually get money from sponsors and not just straight through MLG)

so Like Team EG / all top players.. Get some better rules/contracts before getting with MLG, you will be way better off in the long run with some freedom.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
February 28 2010 19:20 GMT
#227
Can't wait for a potential Proleague/MLG/Euro League to Be Named Later Champions' League.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
February 28 2010 19:23 GMT
#228
On March 01 2010 04:12 dacthehork wrote:
LOL

so if boxer showed up to one of their events they would use his image on the box of porn videos or for every future advert. Is that even legal in most stateS?

Also sorry for pretty much every team (mouz/eg/etc), get ready to rename if you want in on MLG

I expect 0 koreans to attend unless they get special permission to use team name and not release their likeness/pictures for being used for eternity.

That is some really shady shit or over the top crap. Switch up the rules on company = team name as 99% of SC2 gamers will be in sponsored teams, and switch up this "release" of likeness for ANY advertising for all time.



Yeah their regulations make KeSPA look liberal.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 28 2010 19:26 GMT
#229
problem with mlg is that they sign their players rather then having open leagues where everyone arrives and just plays. while that works for smaller sports like halo, something like starcraft is very international and has lots of sponsored teams could just end up with mlg seperating the community. since when has mlg ever contracted a non american team?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-28 20:07:43
February 28 2010 20:06 GMT
#230
By attending the Combine, each Player authorizes MLG and Combine Entities to film, record and/or photograph his or her voice and likeness ("Image"), and also grants MLG and Combine Entities the irrevocable right to use any footage, recordings or photographs of him or her recorded or taken during the Combine, or any reproduction or modification thereof (collectively, the "Recordings") in any manner and medium throughout the world an unlimited number of times in perpetuity for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition or any other lawful purpose except where prohibited by law. By attending the Combine, except where prohibited by law each Player further waives any right of inspection or approval of the uses to which MLG may put the Recordings, and releases MLG from any and all claims arising out of or in connection with the Recordings, the Player’s Image or MLG’s use thereof.


This passage is designed to transfer the right of publicity (copyright lingo) from the individual to MLG. This is so that players can't sue MLG for promotional features which include their image. It's actually quite common, and I wouldn't be surprised if KeSPA has something similar in their contract language.
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Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
February 28 2010 20:15 GMT
#231
I am beginning to think these videos are never going to get put up.
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Zed03
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada112 Posts
February 28 2010 20:47 GMT
#232
I think they're waiting for the main TSL event to complete
Nebbs
Profile Joined February 2010
United States13 Posts
February 28 2010 21:07 GMT
#233
This is ridiculous.
Random?
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
February 28 2010 21:33 GMT
#234
Gonna be an awesome match can't wait.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
February 28 2010 21:58 GMT
#235
I guess my plan to watch Artosis vs Louder after the TSL isn't happening
Can we get an update or something? It sounds like they have the videos uploaded and are just holding on to them...
KTY
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
February 28 2010 21:58 GMT
#236
All this MLG discussion is nice and dandy, but can we get an ETA on those VODs?
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Luca
Profile Joined July 2009
United Kingdom47 Posts
February 28 2010 21:58 GMT
#237
Hows about quit bitching on this thread so that we can wait for someone to post something useful
Nebbs
Profile Joined February 2010
United States13 Posts
February 28 2010 22:01 GMT
#238
How about, there is no legitimate reason to hold on to videos and not release them for THIS LONG. =/ Exactly the kind of crap everyone bashing MLG here has been talking about..
Random?
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 28 2010 22:08 GMT
#239
where...are...the videooosss!
Sup
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
February 28 2010 22:11 GMT
#240
Takes them 2-3 months to post wow tournament vod's. Dont expect this today:p
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