Saying the N word?

On November 10 2009 06:15 Myxomatosis wrote:
If you are in a car with some buddies and you are rapping along with whatever you have in the stereo, would you censor yourself when the word nigger/nigga/niggaaaaahh comes up in some form? Would you censor yourself if there was a black guy in the car?

On November 10 2009 06:18 Zeburial wrote:



I would not rap/sing along if there was anyone else in the car. If I was alone and singing, I would not censor myself. ^^

On November 10 2009 06:24 Snet wrote:
I treat nigger like any cuss word. I feel like the racism with that word has died down among normal people. I doubt any black people actually feel insulted by their race when someone calls them a nigger. It's just an insult. I'm sure if you called some black guy a stupid faggot he would be equally as pissed.

On November 10 2009 06:24 Snet wrote:
I treat nigger like any cuss word. I feel like the racism with that word has died down among normal people. I doubt any black people actually feel insulted by their race when someone calls them a nigger. It's just an insult. I'm sure if you called some black guy a stupid faggot he would be equally as pissed.

On November 10 2009 06:24 Navane wrote:
I would sing the N-world aloud and then have an akward situation.

It's ok to have akward situations.

On November 10 2009 06:42 TryThis wrote:
the other day i went into my buddys appartment, i jsut walked in and yelled, yo nigga hurry up we're leaving soon.

as a walked further in i saw two of his roomates sitting watching tv, both were black. There was sort of an awkward stare on boths sides, untill one of them went, "it's cool man" then laughed

On November 10 2009 06:38 thopol wrote:
If you are white do not say it ever.

On November 10 2009 06:49 YPang wrote:

what about asians?

On November 10 2009 06:49 YPang wrote:

what about asians?

On November 10 2009 06:52 TryThis wrote:



they're allowed, cause its really funny hearing Asians act all gangsta

On November 10 2009 06:15 Myxomatosis wrote:
If you are in a car with some buddies and you are rapping along with whatever you have in the stereo, would you censor yourself when the word nigger/nigga/niggaaaaahh comes up in some form? Would you censor yourself if there was a black guy in the car?

I can't think of any concrete examples from my past experiences, but I think I would keep singing along as if it were any other curse word. I find it weird that someone could find it acceptable to repeat words like fuck, cunt, fucking cunt etc. but saying the n-word is crossing the line. I could see how someone could be offended, but I don't believe that they should be. Any thoughts or anecdotes on this scenario or on the n-word in general?

On November 10 2009 06:15 Myxomatosis wrote:
If you are in a car with some buddies and you are rapping along with whatever you have in the stereo, would you censor yourself when the word nigger/nigga/niggaaaaahh comes up in some form? Would you censor yourself if there was a black guy in the car?

I can't think of any concrete examples from my past experiences, but I think I would keep singing along as if it were any other curse word. I find it weird that someone could find it acceptable to repeat words like fuck, cunt, fucking cunt etc. but saying the n-word is crossing the line. I could see how someone could be offended, but I don't believe that they should be. Any thoughts or anecdotes on this scenario or on the n-word in general?

On November 10 2009 06:46 myfriendPlank wrote:

XD What would've made it even better if you just looked at them and said "What's up playa's?" XMFD

On November 10 2009 07:29 Badjas wrote:
I can't verify this youtube vid to be right since I don't have audio on this system, but I like to express my opinion with the following song, in which I would sing that word out loud as it is not meant within the context of the song to mean black people (in general).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6zyOGqxxs4

Now that video may not work so well with the use of the word as a 'geuzennaam'.

On November 10 2009 07:43 mahnini wrote:
last episode of south park is pretty relevant here i think.

On November 10 2009 08:13 baal wrote:
god you idiots saying "the n-word", its nigger, say it... nigger.

Racism has nothing to do with subsequent sounds forming a word, its just a world its harmless itself it is how it is used, if its used to denigrate a black person then its racist, if its not, then its harmless.

On November 10 2009 08:45 Rebuke wrote:
i live in a pretty small town (2000) and its mostly whites. we have about 2-3 black families here and we constantly rip on them. calling them niggers, porch monkeys and when shit really gets out of hand we even stomp them out a bit

i try my best to stay away from that kinda shit but sometimes u gotta follow the pact and just feed a nigger ur shoes.

On November 10 2009 08:45 Rebuke wrote:
i live in a pretty small town (2000) and its mostly whites. we have about 2-3 black families here and we constantly rip on them. calling them niggers, porch monkeys and when shit really gets out of hand we even stomp them out a bit

i try my best to stay away from that kinda shit but sometimes u gotta follow the pact and just feed a nigger ur shoes.

On November 10 2009 08:45 Rebuke wrote:
i live in a pretty small town (2000) and its mostly whites. we have about 2-3 black families here and we constantly rip on them. calling them niggers, porch monkeys and when shit really gets out of hand we even stomp them out a bit

i try my best to stay away from that kinda shit but sometimes u gotta follow the pact and just feed a nigger ur shoes.

On November 10 2009 09:00 Piy wrote:
Just don't listen to rap. You'd be killing 2 birds with one stone :p

On November 10 2009 09:59 Probe. wrote:
I am white, and i would never rap in front of a black guy. However i still say nigger alot though. You know that new southpark where they said that fag has a new meaning now. I feel the same way about the word nigger.

On November 10 2009 07:19 Liquid_Turbo wrote:


The answer lies here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doeHmxce6Xg

On November 10 2009 08:58 YPang wrote:

haahahahah

this isnot a trol in canada its true there's like 2-3 black families in a neighberhood

On November 10 2009 09:11 AtlaS wrote:
But I agree that the word "nigger/nigga" is starting to evolve. I don't think it's supposed to be used as a racial slur against black people, but used to describe black people who act like thugs and gangsters and walk around with gold teeth and stuff. I think it's starting to switch to that meaning ever since rappers like lil wayne and solja boy start to use it in their songs.

On November 10 2009 10:21 himurakenshin wrote:


I wouldn't say that about all of canada In some areas, there is a significant black population, such as in certain parts of Toronto, but yes in lots of parts of Canada there aren't a lot of black families.



I don't believe this is true. People use racial insults within their own community to unify the common struggle that they have to go through. I guess you could somewhat compare it to the term "nerd". It can be used to insult people, but then people who are called nerds seem to unify under this term

The struggle that black people have to go through I think is still something which is a relevant topic. People are quick to believe that the age of racism is over, but we should realize that all these horrendous racist things that we hear about didn't happen that long ago.

Did you know that Quincy Jones (Michael Jackson's producer) had to struggle to get Michael Jackson's Thriller to be played on MTV? because he was black

Chris Rock even mentions in his stand up how in his neighborhood, the only black neighbors are really famous black people like Mary J Blidge and other black celebrites, whereas his next door neighbour is a white dentist

On November 10 2009 10:46 AtlaS wrote:


While I mostly agree with the rest of your post, I disagree with this point in most situations. I think that's what the word was used for 10 years ago, it's not really like that anymore though. Modern day rap has sold out for the most part and it is not longer used to unite their community. Just listen to the music of famous rappers nowadays. It's so fucking mainstream and terrible that it's almost impossible to believe. If it's not egotistical assholes that can't stop talking about how awesome they are (Kanye West), then it's about supermanning their ho's (I don't think I need to tell you who this is).

Do you remember when Black Eyed Peas actually produced good rap? Probably not, because they weren't big until they sold out, picked up an annoying white chick, and started making songs like "My humps" and "I Gotta Feeling". Listening to Joints and Jams, that song is so good and funky and that is a song that their community would be proud of... not My Humps

On November 10 2009 06:24 Snet wrote:
I treat nigger like any cuss word. I feel like the racism with that word has died down among normal people. I doubt any black people actually feel insulted by their race when someone calls them a nigger. It's just an insult. I'm sure if you called some black guy a stupid faggot he would be equally as pissed.

On November 10 2009 09:54 selboN wrote:

This man speaks the truth.

On November 10 2009 06:24 Snet wrote:
I treat nigger like any cuss word. I feel like the racism with that word has died down among normal people. I doubt any black people actually feel insulted by their race when someone calls them a nigger. It's just an insult. I'm sure if you called some black guy a stupid faggot he would be equally as pissed.

On November 10 2009 12:01 Triple7 wrote:

I believe K-Pop could be an adequate replacement.

On November 10 2009 06:29 iSiN wrote:


Do you live in salt lake city?

Race is still a huge deal in michigan (the south of the north) holy god. Some parts of the state I don't even like to think that the nword exists and other parts are like clan meetings ugh. That being said I don't say it derogatory (or often) but there are some terrible race issues tied with it.

On November 10 2009 13:15 Wr3k wrote:
The whole nigger thing is fucking retarded.

First of all, there is a big difference between saying nigger, calling someone a nigger, and really calling someone a nigger. Its no different then saying, fucking retard, calling someone a fucking retard, and really calling them a fucking retard. (Except for the obvious difference of insulting race rather than intelligence). One thing to note is they are both insulting, and neither should be acceptable as commonplace material for conversation.

Second of all, "gangster rap" music in general is single-handedly responsible for introducing the term into mainstream culture, just like it is single-handedly responsible for introducing numerous black stereotypes into mainstream culture, and further encouraging the stupid behavior which created the stereotypes in the first place. The mere idea that its socially acceptable to call other black people a derogatory racial slur is beyond stupid. Do you see <insert non-black race> going around calling each other <insert racial slur other than nigger> on a regular basis? Or in the mainstream media? NO.

Note that I refer to it as "Gangster Rap". I am referring to rap that is negative, egocentric, and encourages violence, promiscuous sexual activity and bigotry in general. Real Rap, which IMO nearly died with the growing popularity of "artists" like Dr. Dre, consists of artists like Run DMC, The Sugar Hill Gang, Eric B. and Rakim, a Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul etc. I guess the whole "gangster rap" thing started with Public Enemy, but even they were actually good. I'm not sure when rap turned from interesting or enjoyable lyrical rhythms to talking about fucking bitches and shooting niggers, but I wish it hadn't, because I find it more and more difficult to even listen to it. (Now that I think about it it was probably Tupac's fault, but at least he had a shred of talent). At least there are a couple artists who still put out decent shit. All I have been able to enjoy in the last few years is K-os, some of Outkasts more recent songs (the aquemini album was shit), and some rap coming out of Britain.

I am honestly glad I'm not black so I don't have to be ashamed of this behavior. My only black friend cannot handle people like 50 cent, and Kanye west, he calls them niggers, and associates the word nigger with dumb black people. If a black person comes up to him and says "sup my nigger" or something of the sort, he will literally tell them to fuck off. Maybe that makes him racist (lol...), but honestly, If the trailer park boys were both as popular as Kanye west and took themselves as seriously, hell I would be ashamed of being white. As far as I am concerned, anyone who supports any of this recent SHIT that has been produced by these "gangster rappers" is helping to further black stereotypes, violence, promiscuity and bigotry. Oh and if you buy Kanye's CD's you might as well be a fan of mental retardation.

On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote:
anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word"

On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote:
anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word"

On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote:
anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word"

On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote:
anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word"

On November 10 2009 21:47 Osmoses wrote:
Its just a word. A black man saying "you cant use it cause you're white" is more racist imo than a white man using the word.

On November 10 2009 23:49 aseq wrote:
I can understand why it's more than just a word for some people, given the history behind it. But it's ridiculous to have a word for the black people that only they can use, that's racist in itself. And since they're evidently using it, so can we. If black people stopped using it, I think it would be fair crackers don't either. So I'll let them decide...

On November 11 2009 00:23 Promises wrote:
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This. Excluding one group from saying a word because they'r of a different skin colour is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. You choose to be offended by words, and as Baal pointed out abbreviating the word or some such shit doesnt do dick-all to change what your saying.

On November 10 2009 14:28 Sadist wrote:



Theres nothing wrong with promiscuity and ATCQ had plenty of songs about niggas and promiscuity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGxQfs3UM5g

On November 10 2009 23:49 aseq wrote:
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Tell this to a black man who can't trace his family history back a few generations without consulting trade receipts, where his ancestors are listed amongst crates of tobacco, oil, and tea as product.

I mean, you guys are getting the chicken before the egg on this.

Yes, you can say the word, but not without evoking the feelings associated with the word. And because the word has such a controversial and heavy connotation, with relation to white people and their treatment of blacks in North America, then it's just best not to say it.

And if that bothers you, note that racial friction isn't that old and surely isn't stamped out, and trying to strip the connotations of "nigger" only exacerbates the problem. Being that its connotations have been accrued through history, you'd have to change history. Especially considering a lot of white people are still closeted racists.

And note that "n-word" and "African American" are ten times worse because they try to deny this history and these conflicts entirely. Using these blanket terms is to pretend that if you ignore a problem then it doesn't exist.

On November 11 2009 02:58 himurakenshin wrote:
in this thread there are just a bunch of whiteboys wanting to be able to say nigger. understand that your people has fucked with A LOT of people in the past.

do you know how humiliating it is to know that you are in the place that you were born because your ancestors were slaves?

do you know what it is to feel that your parents were treated like shit IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY

do you know what its like to not know your own history

do you know what its like to not have a culture to call your own

do you know what its like not to have a language of your own

do you what its like to live with a negative perception of your own people in your own country to this day

Using the word nigger is just one of the many ways that black people have been developing their culture. It doesn't matter if you were not directly involved with your history; you are a result of it. The reason why you are in your position right now, especially when you are growing up, is a direct result of your parents. Black people who's families are in bad situations because of all the injustice and racism that has been going on can't just say oh wow nice everything is ok now and be on the same level as most other white people in the country. they have to live with the fact that their family and they are in this situation because they were slaves and they were treated like fucking shit till very recently.

On November 11 2009 08:58 Osmoses wrote:

I don't think very many white people refer to whites as "their people" and I've never understood why blacks do. Its just another way of separating yourself from others because of the color of their skin. So don't tell me MY PEOPLE fucked someone, just because they're white it doesn't mean they have anything to do with me, OK racist?

Now I sympathize with the hardships and struggles that come with being black in the US, I do. I'm sure there are alot of things that suck about it, just like it sucks being asian in harlem. All I'm saying is that your anger is misguided. Don't hate on white people who say nigger, hate on anyone using it in a racist context.

Me, I don't really wanna say nigger, cause it sounds angry, like a swear. I don't call gay people faggots, I don't call women bitches, I don't call blacks niggers, mostly because I'll give the impression that I'm hating on a group rather than on a person. But a faggot is a bad man who just happens to be gay, a bitch is a bad person who just happens to be a woman, and a nigger is a bad person who just happens to be black. The reason I'd call black assholes assholes instead of niggers is because I don't want other black people to think I'm lumping them together with the assholes just because they have the same color skin.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get across here is, if you get upset by a white person saying "nigger", just know that the only confirmed racist up to that point is you, because you're making a judgment based completely on the fact that the person who said it was white.

I don't get why white people consciously try to argue for and shoehorn their way into somehow liberating a word from its connotations, those being an undeniable history of oppression, pain, and robbery (both cultural and material).

You can't argue that the black experience of North America is tinged by racial friction - you can't deny that it doesn't exist - and therefore you can't argue for a harmonious society where words don't mean what they mean. "Nigger" has slavery and white supremacy written all over it and its profligacy amongst black people speaks more to how a race of people who've been subjugated by their society for centuries can unite as a result of their shared misfortune. Obviously not every black person who says "nigga" is cognizant of this, but it's certainly the best way to think about it.

And for a white guy to say "nigga" or "nigger," regardless of context of use, is still touching on this fragile history, and should be really really really really really really careful about it. That's why white people should just accept that the word isn't theirs and just not say it. (The semantics of quoting it are much dicier, but I don't rap along to hip-hop when I listen to it around other people, so I don't have these problems.)

On November 11 2009 10:59 outqast wrote:


Exactly... and this is why I can't post on the internet any more because I get too angry and too frustrated because of ignorant and racist people.

You go on the internet and see just how racist the world is and how people really aren't be able to look beyond their own minuscule understanding of the human experience. How much do you guys understand about being black? Nothing at all ... besides the all the common, I have black friends and I asked them. And this goes doubly for you foreigners you have an even more distant understanding of the context of the word (I'm speaking about non-Americans).

Yet you all feel free to use the word like some kinda curse word. It is more than that to black people and you will never ever understand what it means.

Yes arguing on the internet is pointless so I give up.

On November 11 2009 10:41 eMbrace wrote:


yeah I agree with the point made about being white.

i have no racial pride or identity what so ever -- i could honestly care less. yeah i have European heritage but that was like over 100 years ago, I'm an American now.


i guess being a minority means you can flaunt around the color of your skin and have screen names like "AzNriceBoi." i guess this might make sense in rough times due to discrimination where you need to band together or whatever, but i honestly don't look at other races as more special than any other. get over yourselves.

it's the same thing with being gay, i don't get why these people need to flaunt around such a private matter. stand up for your rights and try to get your marriage or whatever, but parading around the streets because of a sexual preference makes you stand out more than you claim you want to.

bleh, im done ranting

On November 10 2009 09:54 selboN wrote:

This man speaks the truth.

On November 10 2009 06:15 Myxomatosis wrote:
If you are in a car with some buddies and you are rapping along with whatever you have in the stereo, would you censor yourself when the word nigger/nigga/niggaaaaahh comes up in some form? Would you censor yourself if there was a black guy in the car?

I can't think of any concrete examples from my past experiences, but I think I would keep singing along as if it were any other curse word. I find it weird that someone could find it acceptable to repeat words like fuck, cunt, fucking cunt etc. but saying the n-word is crossing the line. I could see how someone could be offended, but I don't believe that they should be. Any thoughts or anecdotes on this scenario or on the n-word in general?

On November 11 2009 02:58 himurakenshin wrote:
in this thread there are just a bunch of whiteboys wanting to be able to say nigger. understand that your people has fucked with A LOT of people in the past.

do you know how humiliating it is to know that you are in the place that you were born because your ancestors were slaves?

do you know what it is to feel that your parents were treated like shit IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY

do you know what its like to not know your own history

do you know what its like to not have a culture to call your own

do you know what its like not to have a language of your own

do you what its like to live with a negative perception of your own people in your own country to this day

Using the word nigger is just one of the many ways that black people have been developing their culture. It doesn't matter if you were not directly involved with your history; you are a result of it. The reason why you are in your position right now, especially when you are growing up, is a direct result of your parents. Black people who's families are in bad situations because of all the injustice and racism that has been going on can't just say oh wow nice everything is ok now and be on the same level as most other white people in the country. they have to live with the fact that their family and they are in this situation because they were slaves and they were treated like fucking shit till very recently.

On November 11 2009 21:33 timmeh wrote:
Awesome thread!

By the way. Chris Rock sucks... a lot.

On topic:

I certainly don't walk up to a black person and say it. But many black people don't mind if you're good friends with them and they know you're just fooling around. My English friends and I say it a lot (mostly white guys, 2 black guys won't mind the word) but never in a racist intent. It's always like "nigga outta his mind", "crazy ass nigger" or the ever so common "nigga please". The reason we say it amongst ourselves is because we know black people are sensitive about the word.

Also, I am German. The majority of my good friends actually greet me with nazi, as in: "Hey nazi!" "Sup Naz (they leave out the "i" on purpose sometimes), how is it going" or "crazy nazi". It's been like this for a long time and it has never bothered me.

On November 12 2009 04:12 tossinYoSalad wrote:


Lol im part jewish and one of my friends is like full jew. We greet each other with "get in the oven" and other racist things. we also love jew jokes (who was the best jewish cook? hitler!).

I seriously think black people just need to get over it. Every race on earth has been enslaved/mistreated at one point in time, hell there is still slavery in america today (illegal immigration from asian countries? whores? sweatshops?).. srsly its not about race anymore.

On November 12 2009 04:22 Adeny wrote:


A Jew who's actually making some sense? What has the world come to!
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On November 12 2009 04:12 tossinYoSalad wrote:


Lol im part jewish and one of my friends is like full jew. We greet each other with "get in the oven" and other racist things. we also love jew jokes (who was the best jewish cook? hitler!).

I seriously think black people just need to get over it. Every race on earth has been enslaved/mistreated at one point in time, hell there is still slavery in america today (illegal immigration from asian countries? whores? sweatshops?).. srsly its not about race anymore.

On November 10 2009 07:19 Liquid_Turbo wrote:


The answer lies here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doeHmxce6Xg

On November 18 2009 15:54 koreasilver wrote:
Why are you still alive?

On November 19 2009 06:25 tirentu wrote:
Nigga nigga nigga.

It's not an insult unless it's intended to be. It's just a word that has lost all its meaning.

On November 19 2009 06:25 tirentu wrote:
Nigga nigga nigga.

It's not an insult unless it's intended to be. It's just a word that has lost all its meaning.

On November 19 2009 06:25 tirentu wrote:
Nigga nigga nigga.

It's not an insult unless it's intended to be. It's just a word that has lost all its meaning.

On November 12 2009 10:06 timmeh wrote:


Haha, we make plenty of jokes at your expense because obviously the whole jew thing goes with the german/nazi thing. Such as "What's up naz, had some jews for breakfast" or "Careful now, the naz is gonna slay some jews in anger" and stuff like that.

Since you love jew jokes (may be offensive to people who aren't as lax about the whole thing!!!!) here is an all-time classic. + Show Spoiler +

On November 19 2009 19:32 pyrogenetix wrote:
imo this is the most stupid thing ever.

black people call each other niggas. it is used widely in their music. BUT THEN SOMEHOW whenever someone else uses it even though it is OBVIOUSLY not in an offensive way at all, black people like to get all hyped up and go all "EY WUT YOU SAY? WAT YOU JUS CALL ME?"

it seems like a big portion of black people just get all excited because it's socially accepted for black people to get excited every god damn time someone that's not black uses the word nigger, which is absolute undiluted horsepiss.

and i hate people feeding this bullshit, putting them on a pedestal and trying to edge their way around it and trying to be politically correct and all that shit. OMG IT WAS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND YOU DONT MEAN IT IN THAT WAY JESUS CHRIST NO ONE GIVES A FUCK.

been hanging out a lot with the exchange students here from spain, italy, mexico, france, poland etc etc and they all use the word "nigger" when refering to a black person because that's what they are for them, but they use it in an absolutely non offensive way, and it makes things sooo much easier than saying ridiculous shit like "the black man" or "colored" or any other stupid term society has hammered into our skulls.

it's a fucking word.

no one means it in that way.

get the fuck over it.