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benutbutter
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States66 Posts
August 08 2009 16:45 GMT
#2821
Poor Jaedong.

Super glad that SKT won. Fantasy really brought it to the table in the finals.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 08 2009 16:51 GMT
#2822
On August 09 2009 00:48 MrHoon wrote:
You know, I really thought Bisu would save the team

But I guess that torch is now carried by Fantasy :D

Honestly, I'm glad Fantasy ended up being the clutch player. While I am a Bisu fan, I just LOVE Fantasy. He is just brimming with creativity and he plays so differently from everyone else. Both in TvP and TvZ (I don't really watch TvT much so I don't have much to say on that). People used to bash him for just playing mech TvZ, but he has proven time and time again that he is far more flexible than that.

He really is the Neo-Emperor. I don't care if he never wins a Starleague title. He turned Terran from being that robotic mechanical race ("all terrans look the same on paper") to something with a lot of flexibility and a lot of options, much as Boxer did when he made the seemingly "weak" race seem dominant.

I also feel Fantasy is far more unpredictable than Bisu, and I feel the lack of predictability really shakes Jaedong up. I was hoping for a Fantasy vs. Jaedong ace and I am glad I got it ^^

On August 09 2009 01:08 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 01:07 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On August 08 2009 23:30 Weryeery wrote:
everytime a T cheese its a strategic play.
everytime a Z 5 pool or even 9 pool its a cheesy allin.

Funny boys...

See JulyZerg vs. Best at EVER 2008.

Nobody called that a cheesy all in. Everybody admired Tushin for his brilliance and shaking Best up to take the series 3-0.

Plenty of BeSt fans called that a cheesy all in.

I would say that the majority consensus was that JulyZerg played the most brilliant psychological move ever, because he managed to take the series even after FAILING the cheese.

Though I guess it depends on how you perceive the majority.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
August 08 2009 16:51 GMT
#2823
Amazing PL Finals, I love you all
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
baqarah
Profile Joined July 2009
Poland13 Posts
August 08 2009 16:51 GMT
#2824
On August 09 2009 00:06 sArite_nite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 00:01 baqarah wrote:
First time poster, long time reader. Hi all!

First of all: Im a JD fan.

I was so much for JD in this game and I DO feel robbed by fantasy. Why? Because of the great play of the rest of OZ. Everyone was like: "No way! SK will go 4-0!" When I saw JD vs Hyuk game I was sure that 4-0 was going to happen. Then there were those epic games by Backho and Lomo. I went like "Omgomgomgomgomg".
Jaedong was 1 game away from redeeming his loss with Hyuk. If he had won with Fantasy, he would have faced Bisu for sure. Just imagine Bisu vs Jaedong Super Ace match! All the thrill, all the emotions. Everyone wondering: "Can JD pull his 2nd win after the humiliation by Hyuk?" or "Can Bisu stomp on JD so easily as in the 1st game?" The whole season coming down to a single clash of the titans.
That would have been EPIC.

Well, Fantasy being a great player as he is he went a brilliant cheese. FE, with some intentional loss of a marine or two near his wall. Cheese is not a forbidden strategy. All the pros are doing it (Bisu, Backho it this very match). Probably JD could have predicted the cheese (because of Bisu being next), but he could have also thought: "They probably want to make me tired, so hell go long exhausting macro game".

Well, I feel bad because of this match. I wanted OZ to win (but my Liguid-bet was on SKT1 ). Epic match, could have been even more epic. Next season Oz with killer and perfectman will OWN SKT1 .


HI BAQ!


Hi Sari! CAPS !

On August 09 2009 00:22 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 00:01 baqarah wrote:
First time poster, long time reader. Hi all!

First of all: Im a JD fan.

I was so much for JD in this game and I DO feel robbed by fantasy. Why? Because of the great play of the rest of OZ. Everyone was like: "No way! SK will go 4-0!" When I saw JD vs Hyuk game I was sure that 4-0 was going to happen. Then there were those epic games by Backho and Lomo. I went like "Omgomgomgomgomg".
Jaedong was 1 game away from redeeming his loss with Hyuk. If he had won with Fantasy, he would have faced Bisu for sure. Just imagine Bisu vs Jaedong Super Ace match! All the thrill, all the emotions. Everyone wondering: "Can JD pull his 2nd win after the humiliation by Hyuk?" or "Can Bisu stomp on JD so easily as in the 1st game?" The whole season coming down to a single clash of the titans.
That would have been EPIC.

Well, Fantasy being a great player as he is he went a brilliant cheese. FE, with some intentional loss of a marine or two near his wall. Cheese is not a forbidden strategy. All the pros are doing it (Bisu, Backho it this very match). Probably JD could have predicted the cheese (because of Bisu being next), but he could have also thought: "They probably want to make me tired, so hell go long exhausting macro game".

Well, I feel bad because of this match. I wanted OZ to win (but my Liguid-bet was on SKT1 ). Epic match, could have been even more epic. Next season Oz with killer and perfectman will OWN SKT1 .


Maybe if CJ played SKT proleague would have been very epic.

I feel robbed by Oz.

Great job SKT<3


Its your right to feel bad when your team is losing. Its not like CJ doesnt have a dominant player that abuse the "Ace" format of the proleague...
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
August 08 2009 16:59 GMT
#2825
jaedong! :O

the games he shouldve won he didnt, now proved crucial
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
August 08 2009 17:03 GMT
#2826
Wow, Jaedong failed hardcore. Fricking HYUK?!?!
Zero fighting.
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
August 08 2009 17:05 GMT
#2827
Jaedong needs to stop going 12 hatch in ZvZ. Just go freaking 12 pool!!!!
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-08 17:12:20
August 08 2009 17:11 GMT
#2828
On August 09 2009 01:51 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
See JulyZerg vs. Best at EVER 2008.

Nobody called that a cheesy all in. Everybody admired Tushin for his brilliance and shaking Best up to take the series 3-0.

Plenty of BeSt fans called that a cheesy all in.

I would say that the majority consensus was that JulyZerg played the most brilliant psychological move ever, because he managed to take the series even after FAILING the cheese.

Though I guess it depends on how you perceive the majority.

There were a lot of people who thought July was an "allining bastard who couldn't beat Best in a macro game" after games 1 and 2.

Just read Disciple's posts alone in that thread for pure gold. ;(
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 08 2009 17:11 GMT
#2829
I can't believe JD lost to hyuk AND to cheese. This is definitely a solid, clean loss of JD oz. Oz finally steps up, but JD can't win it against Hyuk, or in the ace match? VERY VERY disappointing.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
August 08 2009 17:16 GMT
#2830
a person who knows how to win
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 08 2009 17:27 GMT
#2831
On August 09 2009 02:11 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 01:51 Kyo Yuy wrote:
See JulyZerg vs. Best at EVER 2008.

Nobody called that a cheesy all in. Everybody admired Tushin for his brilliance and shaking Best up to take the series 3-0.

Plenty of BeSt fans called that a cheesy all in.

Show nested quote +
I would say that the majority consensus was that JulyZerg played the most brilliant psychological move ever, because he managed to take the series even after FAILING the cheese.

Though I guess it depends on how you perceive the majority.

There were a lot of people who thought July was an "allining bastard who couldn't beat Best in a macro game" after games 1 and 2.

Just read Disciple's posts alone in that thread for pure gold. ;(

The only difference is the # of fanboys on each side. Since you're arguing against SKT, you automatically lose.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 08 2009 17:36 GMT
#2832
On August 09 2009 01:37 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 01:34 ReiKo wrote:
Ok, but what is that match anyways? Some showmatch? Was there Day 1 All star match? There is no Day 1 all star match in SK Telcom T1 vs Hwaseung Oz - Day 1 topic nor in Jon747 channel.


they are in Jon747's channel but not in the Day 1 thread.
Games are:
Flash/Much vs Yellow/go.go
Tossgirl vs Stork
Luxury/Nada vs Zero/Upmagic

They're on TLs acc too (and were uploaded there earlier I think :p )
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
August 08 2009 17:38 GMT
#2833
To all JD/Oz fanboys saying that "FANTASY SO GAY, CHESSE WTF!"
Remember that Jaedong went 9 pool, but failed because fantasy caught him off guard with killing that overlord. Jaedong wasn't exactly playing standard either.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 08 2009 17:38 GMT
#2834
On August 09 2009 00:23 Nylan wrote:
It's not that Oz is worthless without JD. It's that relying so heavily on him is asking for a disaster, he can't be perfect every night. People are right in saying there are some younger players with potential on Oz. Cho needs to give them more chances, and the former IS might very well become a strong all-around team.

Jaedong loses and Oz gets 3 other wins, delivering us Fantasy vs. Jaedong to win it all.

I'd say the format worked perfectly fine. We got a series of ace matches between the best players on each team, who should have a bigger impact on the series than the hyuks and hiyas. You would rather the games be settled by Movie vs. Juni instead of Effort vs Stork? You're out of your fucking mind.

Margin of victory for each day is irrelevant, and should be. It's the same as in any other sport.

If a team of pure snipers and no superstars made their way to the finals, you'd all still be bitching because your team lost.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 08 2009 17:40 GMT
#2835
Jaedong really failed this time.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 08 2009 17:42 GMT
#2836
LOL JAEDONG
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 08 2009 17:43 GMT
#2837
On August 09 2009 02:38 OreoBoi wrote:
To all JD/Oz fanboys saying that "FANTASY SO GAY, CHESSE WTF!"
Remember that Jaedong went 9 pool, but failed because fantasy caught him off guard with killing that overlord. Jaedong wasn't exactly playing standard either.

They both cheesed, but crying about it is stupid. It's disappointing that we didn't get a 40 minute game, but they're all legit strats.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Fredflintstone
Profile Joined January 2009
439 Posts
August 08 2009 17:44 GMT
#2838
I really feel bad for Jaedong, kid must be so burnt out. The finals pretty much sucked, every other series before it was better. Congrats to SKT1 though.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 08 2009 17:48 GMT
#2839
HAHA Fantasy beating JD again is much better than SKT winning 4-0
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
August 08 2009 18:01 GMT
#2840
Again:

Hoooo-boy.

On the bright side, this might mean Iris has a shot at the MSL?
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