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[SPL] Playoffs - Hwaseung Oz vs CJ Entus Day 1 - Page 79

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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 01 2009 06:29 GMT
#1561
Aww... If CJ wins tomorrow, JD will take the ACE match. Hope this type of upset doesnt happen in the finals. DAMN YOU IRIS!!!!
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 01 2009 06:30 GMT
#1562
THAT WAS PERFECT MAN!
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 06:32:13
August 01 2009 06:30 GMT
#1563
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.


Yeah, Movie and Iris really were the weak links today for CJ. I don't really know what that fast Arbiter build was supposed to do. It certainly didn't do it.

As for Iris, either he underestimated his opponent, or he wasn't paying attention this match. He got greedy and left himself open for a timing attack. He should have suspected something was up by the way PerfactMan kept him from scouting even the natural expansion.

There's a saying: the best swordsman doesn't have to worry about the second best swordsman. Its the man who's never picked up a sword before who will do the unexpected, and can kill you. That's why you never underestimate anyone.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 01 2009 06:30 GMT
#1564
On August 01 2009 15:26 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:23 NicolBolas wrote:
On August 01 2009 15:20 kaleidoscope wrote:
On August 01 2009 15:19 Magic84 wrote:
OK so now Hwaseung can go Disneyland, beach, rest whatever and JD has to prepare for super ace map vs 3 races. And Hwaseung will advance.


Definitely they will prepare SkyHigh or EffOrt for the super ace against Jaedong..


Unless Effort's preparations involve him buying a supply of KY jelly, I strongly suggest that they send out SkyHigh.

I lol'd so hard at that hahahaha.

Thanks Smix!

Ky is horrible for anal foo!

Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
DeepGray
Profile Joined October 2008
United States214 Posts
August 01 2009 06:30 GMT
#1565
On August 01 2009 15:20 kaleidoscope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:19 Magic84 wrote:
OK so now Hwaseung can go Disneyland, beach, rest whatever and JD has to prepare for super ace map vs 3 races. And Hwaseung will advance.


Definitely they will prepare SkyHigh or EffOrt for the super ace against Jaedong..

What if the S-Class Sniper strikes again?
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 01 2009 06:30 GMT
#1566
Would JD winning super ace in Grand finals, MSL and OSL make him bonjwa? :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1567
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.

Hiya outplayed Movie with a ton of well casted EMPs and a ton of tanks.

Perfectman's near-perfect reaver micro raped Iris.

Jaedong won his JvZ against Effort before Lair was done and Backho successfully canon-rushed Snow.

See how rewording stuff makes it sound so different?
Ret.
Profile Joined June 2009
Brazil33 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1568
no matter who wins the semifinal... SKT will ez win PL ^^
Nuclear launch detected
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1569
OOOOOOOOOOO YEAH
the throws never bothered me anyway
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1570
Wow.

Upset much?
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1571
I mean Iris would be forgivable, but he completely dropped the ball twice now, once against a noob khan zerg, and now against some random protoss...
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
August 01 2009 06:31 GMT
#1572
woot, sweet revenge for Khan
go KHAN! TBLS <3
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
August 01 2009 06:32 GMT
#1573
On August 01 2009 15:30 SuperArc wrote:
Would JD winning super ace in Grand finals, MSL and OSL make him bonjwa? :p

Never, t1 fans won't let that happen. Hell, even winning the OSL twice in a row and getting the golden mouse would be huge. 2 out of 3 would be more than enough.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 01 2009 06:32 GMT
#1574
On August 01 2009 15:31 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.

Hiya outplayed Movie with a ton of well casted EMPs and a ton of tanks.

Perfectman's near-perfect reaver micro raped Iris.

Jaedong won his JvZ against Effort before Lair was done and Backho successfully canon-rushed Snow.

See how rewording stuff makes it sound so different?


Yeah except, movie did a terrible build, Iris looked like he had no idea what he was doing, and SnOw is a terrible protoss.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 06:35:18
August 01 2009 06:33 GMT
#1575
On August 01 2009 15:29 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:27 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.

His strat was actually very good, it was the execution that was horrible.


it was terrible. He completely gave away his intentions by building that robo RIGHT by the Nexus. "Oh look, a robo that is unbelievably late, I wonder what is happening".

His recall failed, and it was the best recall he could of gotten.

He would have had a much better chance if he played more regular or whatnot.

I don't think he was trying too hard to hide his build especially since Hiya got his acad after 2 facts...

The recall was bad but there were definitely better spots he couldve picked. That one was the MOST obvious and therefore would be guarded heavily.

The main factor in movies rape though was the complete failure of his DA combined with his complete mismicro of the first big attack. Allowing 3 stacked arbiters to fly RIGHT NEXT to 4 vessels is just flat bad.

Movie was focusing too much on his storms too early..shouldve spread and casted with the arbs first then laid down the storms. That being said..its extremely difficult to micro and position such a caster heavy army. It's easy to call a build terrible when its fails , but its better to look at specific situations before throwing out a build completely. The build is fine when played properly. Its not even all that rare on a really gas heavy map like col 2. Arb/temp is very strong.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
August 01 2009 06:33 GMT
#1576
On August 01 2009 15:31 FragKrag wrote:
I mean Iris would be forgivable, but he completely dropped the ball twice now, once against a noob khan zerg, and now against some random protoss...


Yeah a Noob playing on Khan A-Team... he is probably C- on iccup -.-
People tend to forget that all of them are Progamers for a reason.... They all are freaking goods
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
August 01 2009 06:33 GMT
#1577
On August 01 2009 13:46 GTR wrote:
and thats the only win hwaseung will have today

You were saying?
Moderator。◕‿◕。
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 01 2009 06:35 GMT
#1578
Yeah, I have no idea why he went out of position for just a DA, and got all arbs emp'd... -_-
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 01 2009 06:35 GMT
#1579
On August 01 2009 15:32 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:31 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.

Hiya outplayed Movie with a ton of well casted EMPs and a ton of tanks.

Perfectman's near-perfect reaver micro raped Iris.

Jaedong won his JvZ against Effort before Lair was done and Backho successfully canon-rushed Snow.

See how rewording stuff makes it sound so different?


Yeah except, movie did a terrible build, Iris looked like he had no idea what he was doing, and SnOw is a terrible protoss.

Yeah and Hiya is 1-9 in last 10 games and Perfectman is Oz's 3rd Protoss (which says alot when he's put after Young and Backho most of the time).
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 01 2009 06:35 GMT
#1580
On August 01 2009 15:29 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 15:27 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On August 01 2009 15:25 FragKrag wrote:
Movie did a stupid rock-esque arbiter strat and got all his arbs emp'd

Iris got raped by a fucking reaver.

I can't really blame EffOrt or SnOw because nobody expected SnOw to win, and EffOrt just got outplayed by what Jaedong did.

His strat was actually very good, it was the execution that was horrible.


it was terrible. He completely gave away his intentions by building that robo RIGHT by the Nexus. "Oh look, a robo that is unbelievably late, I wonder what is happening".

His recall failed, and it was the best recall he could of gotten.

He would have had a much better chance if he played more regular or whatnot.


...

Do you understand what you're saying? The strategy was PERFECT. That's what makes Hiya's win so unbelievable. By the time Hiya saw the fast arbs, he was already screwed. It was already past the timing when terran could punish such greedy tech play. That's why Hiya kept turtling for his near-maxed army before pushing out.

Movie pretty much already had a 2nd main by the time Hiya pushed out. His advantage was ridiculously huge. But his engagement of the terran army was facepalm worthy.
Meh
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