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Khan barely wins the first set, and STX handily takes the 2nd. In both cases, the set score is 1-1 and the game score is 7-5 in favor of STX just like the game score is 12-9 in favor of the guy who won the 2nd set in tennis. However, after the decider, the guy with less games won (16-18) still wins the match. Like khan (6-7).
sry, better example would be 06 76 76
I see. So the ace match was a 'third' mini-set. Thanks for actually engaging in discussion unlike most people who'd rather go on a keyboard pounding flame session. Pretty much the reason I never post on forums like these.
I still don't like the format. Would've been better to keep it bo7 or 3 bo7 imo.
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On July 19 2009 16:37 BisuBoi wrote:
Variance? ONE Bo7 should be enough to "reduce variance."
Apparently not. STX just went 10-1 in the last round and nearly everyone but the hardcore Khan fans had them pegged to win this. I'll give Khan some credit, but you can't honestly be suggesting they didn't get a little lucky.
On July 19 2009 16:37 BisuBoi wrote:
Count your team lucky that they got a second chance at all. In the old format, Khan would have advanced already and this second day wouldn't have even happened.
I would have been fine with that.
Ok no, I still would have been pissed, but I wouldn't be upset about the format. One bo7 makes sense. 3 b07's makes sense (albeit is quite long). 2 bo7's with a bo1 tiebreaker is just strange. It seems like it was done to just add tension and give teams like OZ a better shot.
Maybe the main reason I'm so pissed is because I missinterpreted the format initially. Whatever, I'll let it rest. gg, khan
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Yeah well in tennis it's just 1v1 and the concept of one game is not as special as one game in SC which is between different players. Tennis is just an analogy, not a concrete example. They took the tennis style format and tweaked it a bit to make it appropriate for SC... that is all.
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On July 19 2009 16:26 Presony-Boy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:19 city42 wrote:On July 19 2009 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate this format. STX 7-6 Khan, and Khan wins. -.- If they used the old format, which is just one BO7, Samsung would have won yesterday. What difference does it make? you do realize that if they used the old format the games might have been different, the preparations for the game would have been different and the outcome couldve been different. so stop talking bullshit like it matters. khan won, undeserved win imo but there is nothing to do about. i just hope that khan will get raped next round.
Whoa! Are you aware that the format affects BOTH teams? Whatever change in attitude STX might have had with this new format was reflected in Samsung as well. They were on a level playing field, and Samsung won. Who are you to say which team deserved to win? To advance, a team had to meet one of two objectives: win two BO7s, or split them and win a final game. Samsung met the latter objective, and STX did not meet either one.
You act as if the format specifically fucked STX over. Your team lost, get over it.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Voted for Khan. 
2/2 today actually...
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At least 100 posts of analysis now and less than 10% are about the actual games. Wow.
At least in the Hite-CJ tread, + Show Spoiler +the format whining from the Hite fans is evenly mixed with analogies between ZvZ and rock-paper-scissors
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What we need is a best of 17. That's what the STX fans are asking for. THey just want to see a Bo17.
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On July 19 2009 16:42 ArvickHero wrote:
regardless of whether or not this format was dumb, which I honestly could care less about, it produced a very nice string of GG's, and I was thoroughly entertained by both playoffs. This format gave me more epic and fun games than it would've given me in the old playoff format, and in many ways made this whole playoffs a lot more intense
I think this format is a keeper
3 BO7 could produce more epic and fun games 
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2 bo7s, if tied, decide by arm wrestle
that's most fair I think
in which case jangbi wins :D
okay enough fooking around, it's DONE. STX even got a good draw in final bo1 and STILL lost. Time to shut up and live it doooown.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:35 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 19 2009 16:31 deathgod6 wrote:
Whine all you want. It doesn't matter when SKT rapes whichever team they go up against. ^_^ Hahaha, this. Can't wait for SKT to go 4-0 3-4 0-1 =P
LOL
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On July 19 2009 16:45 .risingdragoon wrote:
2 bo7s, if tied, decide by arm wrestle
that's most fair I think
in which case jangbi wins :D
July says otherwise.
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United States10774 Posts
Lol maybe Samsung fans would whine the Super Ace should have been a BO3 instead of just one game if Jangbi had lost. No matter how much you deny it, it's completely fair. And personally, that one do-or-die game makes it more thrilling.
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On July 19 2009 16:42 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:24 OneOther wrote:On July 19 2009 16:23 faseman wrote:
It's not so much blaming it as much as it's confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. STX wins more games overall but it all came down to one ace match? Just not a fan really. I've never really seen such a strange format. Have you ever watched tennis? A basketball playoff series? A team needs to win what matters, not useless numbers... Neither of these are good examples. In a tennis grand slam final, the winner of the last set is determined by a tie-breaker that has a minimum of 7 points, not 4. It's like playing a mini-set... longer than 1 game, but much shorter than an entire set. And of course in some slam finals (as we all saw this year in the Wimbledon) you don't even get a tie-breaker in the last set.
Basketball's playoffs are no better. Sure you can win 3 blow-out games and lose 3 nail-biters, but still the last match is played. They don't have some gay "ok lets determine this with a short over-time match to decide the winner" no they go into a 7th game.But here it seems like all all day STX was playing their hearts out to win, yet KHAN just wins 1 match to win it all. Of course playing a 3rd series would be crazy... but honestly I think they should have added more than putting everything both teams worked so hard for into 1 game. So what do I think? A bo5 in winner's league format, winner takes all. Would be FUCKING EPIC.
See, you just proved why it makes sense 
In basketball if the series is tied 3-3 you play another game because there really is no other way to settle it. It's a team based game where there isn't any individual aspect short of Free Throws that would make any possible sense to determine a tie-breaker.
Likewise, in SC PL matches when there is a tie-breaker during for the Bo5 what do they do? Ace Match.
So how is having an Ace match for 2 sets - which was already played in NORMAL PL fashion unfair? It's the same format as always so how does it not make sense.
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On July 19 2009 16:45 .risingdragoon wrote:
2 bo7s, if tied, decide by arm wrestle
that's most fair I think
in which case jangbi wins :D
okay enough fooking around, it's DONE. STX even got a good draw in final bo1 and STILL lost. Time to shut up and live it doooown.
ACE would rape the playoffs if it was like that
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:37 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:32 Presony-Boy wrote:
it just nice how all the khan fans make it sound like this format is perfect.
if jangbi wouldve lost, then khan fans wouldve whined about the format.
so seriously just let us the stx fans whine for a while till we all get over it, u dont even have to respond (talking to all the non-stx fans). Honestly, I think the format is completely fair. Maybe it's because I play tennis. In tennis, SETS matter, not GAMES. It doesn't matter if you win lose a 5-7 and win the other 7-6, the score is 1-1. Both teams knew that MATCHES mattered, not games. The individual game count simply does not matter. They prepared and set their lineup while keeping that in mind.
What if tennis format was like this, after 2 sets if it is tied, the winner is determined by 1 game.
So you lose the first sets 6-7(6), then win 6-0. Then you lose the next game. Wouldn't you feel robbed? Wouldn't you have preferred a full set, or even a shortened version of it instead of playing 1 lousy game? Even a tie-breaker would be better, or a 4-wins to a set match.
This is how i feel is similar to this format.
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On July 19 2009 16:45 .risingdragoon wrote:
2 bo7s, if tied, decide by arm wrestle
that's most fair I think
in which case jangbi wins :D
okay enough fooking around, it's DONE. STX even got a good draw in final bo1 and STILL lost. Time to shut up and live it doooown.
July was scouted for semipro baseball at one time, I don't think jangbi has a chance.
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WTF?
I liquibetted on Khan? Hahaha what was I thinking. Oh well, shoots me up to rank 30.
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On July 19 2009 16:44 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:26 Presony-Boy wrote:On July 19 2009 16:19 city42 wrote:On July 19 2009 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate this format. STX 7-6 Khan, and Khan wins. -.- If they used the old format, which is just one BO7, Samsung would have won yesterday. What difference does it make? you do realize that if they used the old format the games might have been different, the preparations for the game would have been different and the outcome couldve been different. so stop talking bullshit like it matters. khan won, undeserved win imo but there is nothing to do about. i just hope that khan will get raped next round. Whoa! Are you aware that the format affects BOTH teams? Whatever change in attitude STX might have had with this new format was reflected in Samsung as well. They were on a level playing field, and Samsung won. Who are you to say which team deserved to win? To advance, a team had to meet one of two objectives: win two BO7s, or split them and win a final game. Samsung met the latter objective, and STX did not meet either one. You act as if the format specifically fucked STX over. Your team lost, get over it.
thats just my point of view
great going 2-0 and miracle going 1-0 pretty much gave khan the win in 1st day.
just saying, i dont see it happening again whether it will be versus stx or other team.
i dont like that super ace, thats it.
just let me whine a little more and go support ur team, whichever it is.
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On July 19 2009 16:48 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:45 .risingdragoon wrote:
2 bo7s, if tied, decide by arm wrestle
that's most fair I think
in which case jangbi wins :D
okay enough fooking around, it's DONE. STX even got a good draw in final bo1 and STILL lost. Time to shut up and live it doooown. ACE would rape the playoffs if it was like that
They'd lose both bo7s before it gets to the arm wrestling + Show Spoiler + Reach ripping someone's arm off
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United States10774 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:48 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 16:37 OneOther wrote:On July 19 2009 16:32 Presony-Boy wrote:
it just nice how all the khan fans make it sound like this format is perfect.
if jangbi wouldve lost, then khan fans wouldve whined about the format.
so seriously just let us the stx fans whine for a while till we all get over it, u dont even have to respond (talking to all the non-stx fans). Honestly, I think the format is completely fair. Maybe it's because I play tennis. In tennis, SETS matter, not GAMES. It doesn't matter if you win lose a 5-7 and win the other 7-6, the score is 1-1. Both teams knew that MATCHES mattered, not games. The individual game count simply does not matter. They prepared and set their lineup while keeping that in mind. What if tennis format was like this, after 2 sets if it is tied, the winner is determined by 1 game. So you lose the first sets 6-7(6), then win 6-0. Then you lose the next game. Wouldn't you feel robbed? Wouldn't you have preferred a full set, or even a shortened version of it instead of playing 1 lousy game? Even a tie-breaker would be better, or a 4-wins to a set match. This is how i feel is similar to this format.
Nope. I wouldn't feel robbed if I knew that's what I had to do to win. If the third set is decided by one game, so be it. Why is that unfair? Why would I feel robbed? I would be the one who didn't carry over the momentum and choke the most important game away.
My opponent and I were on perfectly even ground. Whoever loses does so in a completely fair way.
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