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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 19 2009 07:35 GMT
#901
On July 19 2009 16:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:31 deathgod6 wrote:
Whine all you want. It doesn't matter when SKT rapes whichever team they go up against. ^_^


Hahaha, this.


Can't wait for SKT to go 4-0 3-4 0-1 =P
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 07:36:47
July 19 2009 07:35 GMT
#902
Obviously the format is bad so what they should do is go all the way back through the season and just figure out what team has the most wins in individual games and then just award the championship to them with no regard for series of playoffs.

This makes the most sense because I am shortsighted and refuse to acknowledge that Proleague is and has always been about series play/winning matches and not individual records. Also my team lost and so I am very upset.

Also this sort of ruling should apply to all sports so if a team wins a division series 4-3 for example they should have to win the World Series by a really big margin or it doesn't count! This is my logic isnt it great
the last wcs commissioner
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
July 19 2009 07:36 GMT
#903
Now to figure out who I'm gonna cheer for...

I guess I'll cheer for OzJaedong now >.<
TranslatorBaa!
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
July 19 2009 07:36 GMT
#904
are they going to use the same format for the finals?
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
July 19 2009 07:36 GMT
#905
On July 19 2009 16:35 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:31 deathgod6 wrote:
Whine all you want. It doesn't matter when SKT rapes whichever team they go up against. ^_^


Hahaha, this.


Can't wait for SKT to go 4-0 3-4 0-1 =P


Must be hard to wait for something that's not going to happen.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 19 2009 07:37 GMT
#906
On July 19 2009 16:32 Presony-Boy wrote:
it just nice how all the khan fans make it sound like this format is perfect.
if jangbi wouldve lost, then khan fans wouldve whined about the format.
so seriously just let us the stx fans whine for a while till we all get over it, u dont even have to respond (talking to all the non-stx fans).

Honestly, I think the format is completely fair. Maybe it's because I play tennis. In tennis, SETS matter, not GAMES. It doesn't matter if you win lose a 5-7 and win the other 7-6, the score is 1-1. Both teams knew that MATCHES mattered, not games. The individual game count simply does not matter. They prepared and set their lineup while keeping that in mind.
BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
July 19 2009 07:37 GMT
#907
On July 19 2009 16:25 3clipse wrote:
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On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?

The fact that both teams understood the system doesn't lend it any sort of credibility. The entire point of a bo7 is to reduce variance and let the most skilled team win. You throw all that out the fucking window when you stage a bo1 as a tiebreaker.


Variance? ONE Bo7 should be enough to "reduce variance." Count your team lucky that they got a second chance at all. In the old format, Khan would have advanced already and this second day wouldn't have even happened.
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 07:39:36
July 19 2009 07:37 GMT
#908
On July 19 2009 16:33 faseman wrote:
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On July 19 2009 16:31 TwoStep wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:27 faseman wrote:
Can't comment on basketball. Don't know anything about it.

If you compare it to tennis it's like losing 7-5 in sets and THEN playing a tie-break. Just doesn't make much sense.

No, it's like winning 76 26 76


Can you expand? I don't quite get what you're saying.

Khan barely wins the first set, and STX handily takes the 2nd. In both cases, the set score is 1-1 and the game score is 7-5 in favor of STX just like the game score is 12-9 in favor of the guy who won the 2nd set in tennis. However, after the decider, the guy with less games won (16-18) still wins the match. Like khan (6-7).
sry, better example would be 06 76 76
Arf
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
July 19 2009 07:38 GMT
#909
On July 19 2009 16:37 BisuBoi wrote:
In the old format, Khan would have advanced already and this second day wouldn't have even happened.


That would've made me much happier than what happened here :S
TranslatorBaa!
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
July 19 2009 07:38 GMT
#910
On July 19 2009 16:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On July 19 2009 16:34 Nitan wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure the Khan fan would have shrugged his shoulders and called it a day.


ur funny!


What, are there two Khan fans now?
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
July 19 2009 07:38 GMT
#911
On July 19 2009 16:34 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:29 3clipse wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:26 darktreb wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:25 3clipse wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?

The fact that both teams understood the system doesn't lend it any sort of credibility. The entire point of a bo7 is to reduce variance and let the most skilled team win. You throw all that out the fucking window when you stage a bo1 as a tiebreaker.


Yeah but that gets balanced out by having TWO BO7s before....

No, this is absolutely retarded logic. Having each team win one of the bo7's shows you that they're fairly close in skill. The best way to discern who is better when they are obviously close is to play MORE games as opposed to less. A single game in SC can be a coinflip- I could potentially beat a progamer if I 5pooled him.

HAHAHA this is pure gold

I'm considering getting a sockpuppet fake STX fan account, but it'd be hard to top the real thing. Assuming other people didn't already do this.

Jokes aside, I've been bad mannered enough for today now . STX put up a great fight and would've deserved to win just as much as Khan. Nonetheless Khan won fair and square. The complaining about the format is just getting silly, that's all.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 19 2009 07:39 GMT
#912
On July 19 2009 16:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:37 BisuBoi wrote:
In the old format, Khan would have advanced already and this second day wouldn't have even happened.


That would've made me much happier than what happened here :S


Just be happy your team got a second chance under this format.
God Bless
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 19 2009 07:39 GMT
#913
On July 19 2009 16:35 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:32 darktreb wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:29 3clipse wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:26 darktreb wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:25 3clipse wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?

The fact that both teams understood the system doesn't lend it any sort of credibility. The entire point of a bo7 is to reduce variance and let the most skilled team win. You throw all that out the fucking window when you stage a bo1 as a tiebreaker.


Yeah but that gets balanced out by having TWO BO7s before....

No, this is absolutely retarded logic. Having each team win one of the bo7's shows you that they're fairly close in skill. The best way to discern who is better when they are obviously close is to play MORE games as opposed to less. A single game in SC can be a coinflip- I could potentially beat a progamer if I 5pooled him.


Your argument got worse sentence by sentence, until you ended with the golden "I could beat a progamer if I 5 pooled".

The fact that you do not believe this to be possible shows that you know nothing about starcraft. It is improbable, but certianly possible.


No, it's pretty ignorant for people to say "I could win a progamer with 5 pool".

First of all, the progamer would have to think you were also a progamer to even consider exposing themselves to such a build.

Second, short of 12 Nex or 14CC with no early scouting, there's a very good chance the progamer's monstrous worker micro (it's a lot harder than it looks ... there's a gap between even S-class progamers and average ones in worker micro, forget progamer versus whatever rank you are) will be able to at the very least survive the rush, in which case you're almost certainly not so far ahead that the pro's superior mechanics won't make up in like 3 minutes (even Draco was up 60-50 supply against JF in TSL finals in a PvP with identical builds).

Unless you practice 5 pool a lot, it's pretty hard to micro your lings against well-microed workers. You think pros haven't practiced against 5 pool 100 times?
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
July 19 2009 07:40 GMT
#914
I think what most ppl wants is that instead of a bo1 for a ultimate ace, they shud put bo3..

The format is okay, just bo7 twice, and a last set of bo1 for closure if tied..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 07:43:04
July 19 2009 07:40 GMT
#915
You people who are bashing the format for any reason other than being a Bo7 instead of the Bo5 (like the regular season) have no understanding of how competitive sports/games work. When a baseball team wins 9-0 they don't get a 9 run buffer in the next game. They get a win, which is worth just as much as a 2-1 victory, and that's how it works. It's exactly the same with an SC team. Stop whining and be happy there were some really enjoyable games in this round.

And it's really not practical to have a 3rd Best of series, due to TV times and attendance/advertising, even though it would be pretty cool. The single ace match isn't perfect, but it is dramatic and it's certainly better than just a vanilla Bo15 format (which would be horrible)
the last wcs commissioner
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
July 19 2009 07:41 GMT
#916
On July 19 2009 16:40 kaleidoscope wrote:
I think what most ppl wants is that instead of a bo1 for a ultimate ace, they shud put bo3..

The format is okay, just bo7 twice, and a last set of bo1 for closure if tied..


I think what STX fans want is for STX to have won.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 19 2009 07:42 GMT
#917
On July 19 2009 16:24 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:23 faseman wrote:
It's not so much blaming it as much as it's confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. STX wins more games overall but it all came down to one ace match? Just not a fan really. I've never really seen such a strange format.

Have you ever watched tennis? A basketball playoff series? A team needs to win what matters, not useless numbers...

Neither of these are good examples.

In a tennis grand slam final, the winner of the last set is determined by a tie-breaker that has a minimum of 7 points, not 4. It's like playing a mini-set... longer than 1 game, but much shorter than an entire set. And of course in some slam finals (as we all saw this year in the Wimbledon) you don't even get a tie-breaker in the last set.

Basketball's playoffs are no better. Sure you can win 3 blow-out games and lose 3 nail-biters, but still the last match is played. They don't have some gay "ok lets determine this with a short over-time match to decide the winner" no they go into a 7th game.

But here it seems like all all day STX was playing their hearts out to win, yet KHAN just wins 1 match to win it all. Of course playing a 3rd series would be crazy... but honestly I think they should have added more than putting everything both teams worked so hard for into 1 game.

So what do I think? A bo5 in winner's league format, winner takes all. Would be FUCKING EPIC.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
July 19 2009 07:42 GMT
#918
On July 19 2009 16:37 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:32 Presony-Boy wrote:
it just nice how all the khan fans make it sound like this format is perfect.
if jangbi wouldve lost, then khan fans wouldve whined about the format.
so seriously just let us the stx fans whine for a while till we all get over it, u dont even have to respond (talking to all the non-stx fans).

Honestly, I think the format is completely fair. Maybe it's because I play tennis. In tennis, SETS matter, not GAMES. It doesn't matter if you win lose a 5-7 and win the other 7-6, the score is 1-1. Both teams knew that MATCHES mattered, not games. The individual game count simply does not matter. They prepared and set their lineup while keeping that in mind.

ya but as a tennis player, u obviously know that after the score is 1-1 or 2-2, they play a whole new set, not just 1 game.
and thats my point, after 2 7 BO, 1 game isnt enough imo to declare a clear winner.
lets say khan wouldve sent stork and stx wouldve sent modesty.
lets say modesty wouldve won by using 4pool, how can u say thats fair?

anyways this argument can go on forever.
khan won and stx lost.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 19 2009 07:42 GMT
#919
regardless of whether or not this format was dumb, which I honestly could care less about, it produced a very nice string of GG's, and I was thoroughly entertained by both playoffs. This format gave me more epic and fun games than it would've given me in the old playoff format, and in many ways made this whole playoffs a lot more intense

I think this format is a keeper
Writerptrk
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
July 19 2009 07:42 GMT
#920
It's just like 9ball on a pool.. Whoever pops the 9ball wins that game.. You can have someone who is uber good to score all the 1-8balls, but screwed up on the last ball, and a mediocre player who just pop in the 9ball and win..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
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