Yes, coming into this thread and being alarmed that Jaedong lost to Yarnc does necessarily mean that they didn't consider he had a strong incentive to do so.

No it doesn't: you can consider something and dismiss it.

In this case, there is a very strong reason to dismiss the "thrown game" theory: it explains only 1 out of the last 3 games. You will need to come up with a different explanation for the other two. Whereas the explanation that he is tired and not playing up to standard accounts for all three; therefore by the principle of simplicity, it is the better explanation. It's not like Y[arnc] is such a bad player that even a tired Jaedong shouldn't lose to him: he'd beaten Jaedong and come very close to beating him before, and he had the build-order advantage.

NicolBolas

United States1388 Posts

July 09 2009 23:24 GMT

#685

On July 10 2009 07:09 qrs wrote:
In this case, there is a very strong reason to dismiss the "thrown game" theory: it explains only 1 out of the last 3 games. You will need to come up with a different explanation for the other two. Whereas the explanation that he is tired and not playing up to standard accounts for all three; therefore by the principle of simplicity, it is the better explanation.

I don't believe that Jaedong threw this game, but your logic here doesn't work.

The reason for losing this game does not have to be linked to the previous two losses. Shocking though it may be, sometimes great players just lose games. After all, Jaedong doesn't have a 100% winrate, even ZvZ. So clearly, he can lose games.

Plus there is the simple fact that there is something to be gained from losing this game: knocking Flash out of the OSL. Flash is far more dangerous to Jaedong in a Bo3 or Bo5 than Effort or Yarnc.

Again, I don't think Jaedong lost the game on purpose, but it isn't something that can be automatically dismissed either.

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

July 09 2009 23:54 GMT

#686

Flash is not more dangerous to Jaedong than Yarnc or Effort in any BoX format right now.

[X]Ken_D

United States4650 Posts

July 10 2009 08:40 GMT

#687

On July 08 2009 18:57 JWD wrote:

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Is the idea that JD would throw his game too taboo for them to discuss? That seems like the most obvious explanation for this loss.

It would hurt the image of Starcraft progaming if they did.

Korean progamers blatantly dropped games at WCG time and time again to gain a favorable advantage. So what? It's for their best interest in the long run. Starleague protects the image of the league and their players well. Starleague gives off a shiny spotless image of their stars. Ha, "Path of the Night" of proves otherwise. Again, so what? They too are human. Starcraft is like any other sports. There will be dropping games, human imperfections, and even cheating.

Jaksiel

United States4130 Posts

July 10 2009 08:51 GMT

#688

The conspiracy theory is so utterly ridiculous on the face of it that I can't believe anyone is giving it any credence.

darktreb

United States3019 Posts

July 10 2009 10:11 GMT

#689

Jaedong didn't lose the game on purpose. People saying "but his Muta micro sucked" are missing the point - by that point in the game JD had already essentially given up since the game was borderline meaningless and he was at a HUGE disadvantage.

Haven't you all had games on iccup where you weren't really feeling into it from the start and then fall behind quickly and then just play it out physically even though mentally you're already out of it? I would imagine it was much closer to that. Certainly if the game meant more, Jaedong might have played more desperately (which is often necessary to win), but it's way different from throwing a game.

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