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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 20:13:20
July 09 2009 20:12 GMT
#681
So Beesuit is eliminated?

edit: Nvm 1-2.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
July 09 2009 20:21 GMT
#682
lol @ the guy who thinks jaedong intentionally threw a winner's league playoffs finals match
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 09 2009 22:09 GMT
#683
I don't think anyone will even care about this game for the next PR unless JD is eliminated from the OSL Ro16.
Jaedong
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
July 09 2009 22:09 GMT
#684
On July 10 2009 01:01 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 17:55 qrs wrote:
On July 09 2009 13:07 JWD wrote:
I love everyone coming into this thread to comment on how JD is sucking, without even considering that by losing this game he eliminated Flash from the OSL

Not everyone agrees with your pet theory; that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't consider it. but in any case if it was just this one game, then maybe. but how do you explain the two before it, where he played just as badly even though he had no reason to drop those? so the evidence points more to tired/slump than to conspiracy imho.

Yes, coming into this thread and being alarmed that Jaedong lost to Yarnc does necessarily mean that they didn't consider he had a strong incentive to do so.

No it doesn't: you can consider something and dismiss it.

In this case, there is a very strong reason to dismiss the "thrown game" theory: it explains only 1 out of the last 3 games. You will need to come up with a different explanation for the other two. Whereas the explanation that he is tired and not playing up to standard accounts for all three; therefore by the principle of simplicity, it is the better explanation. It's not like Y[arnc] is such a bad player that even a tired Jaedong shouldn't lose to him: he'd beaten Jaedong and come very close to beating him before, and he had the build-order advantage.
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
July 09 2009 23:24 GMT
#685
On July 10 2009 07:09 qrs wrote:
In this case, there is a very strong reason to dismiss the "thrown game" theory: it explains only 1 out of the last 3 games. You will need to come up with a different explanation for the other two. Whereas the explanation that he is tired and not playing up to standard accounts for all three; therefore by the principle of simplicity, it is the better explanation.


I don't believe that Jaedong threw this game, but your logic here doesn't work.

The reason for losing this game does not have to be linked to the previous two losses. Shocking though it may be, sometimes great players just lose games. After all, Jaedong doesn't have a 100% winrate, even ZvZ. So clearly, he can lose games.

Plus there is the simple fact that there is something to be gained from losing this game: knocking Flash out of the OSL. Flash is far more dangerous to Jaedong in a Bo3 or Bo5 than Effort or Yarnc.

Again, I don't think Jaedong lost the game on purpose, but it isn't something that can be automatically dismissed either.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 09 2009 23:54 GMT
#686
Flash is not more dangerous to Jaedong than Yarnc or Effort in any BoX format right now.
Jaedong
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 09:33:07
July 10 2009 08:40 GMT
#687
On July 08 2009 18:57 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 18:56 konadora wrote:
On July 08 2009 18:55 Carnac wrote:
On July 08 2009 18:49 GTR wrote:
holy shit

jaedong loses a zvz?

slump slump slump
that doesnt constitute a slump at all -.-
neither does losing 3 games in a row

Commentators seem rather surprised though

Kim Carrier: "It's shocking that JD is in a 3-game losing streak."

Is the idea that JD would throw his game too taboo for them to discuss? That seems like the most obvious explanation for this loss.

It would hurt the image of Starcraft progaming if they did.

Korean progamers blatantly dropped games at WCG time and time again to gain a favorable advantage. So what? It's for their best interest in the long run. Starleague protects the image of the league and their players well. Starleague gives off a shiny spotless image of their stars. Ha, "Path of the Night" of proves otherwise. Again, so what? They too are human. Starcraft is like any other sports. There will be dropping games, human imperfections, and even cheating.
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
July 10 2009 08:51 GMT
#688
The conspiracy theory is so utterly ridiculous on the face of it that I can't believe anyone is giving it any credence.
Zero fighting.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 10 2009 10:11 GMT
#689
Jaedong didn't lose the game on purpose. People saying "but his Muta micro sucked" are missing the point - by that point in the game JD had already essentially given up since the game was borderline meaningless and he was at a HUGE disadvantage.

Haven't you all had games on iccup where you weren't really feeling into it from the start and then fall behind quickly and then just play it out physically even though mentally you're already out of it? I would imagine it was much closer to that. Certainly if the game meant more, Jaedong might have played more desperately (which is often necessary to win), but it's way different from throwing a game.
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