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[OSL] Bacchus OSL 2009 Ro16 Day 5 - Page 34
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Ozarugold
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It's okay! We're still rooting for you! Lee Jae Dong hwaiting~ | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8553 Posts
On July 09 2009 12:01 Jayme wrote: I'm a big Zero fan but his problem is his damn consistency. He often plays as good as Effort and Jaedong and then decides to COMPLETELY SUCK for awhile for some god awful reason. ZerO is probably the most underrated Zerg out there but until he starts to consistently win like someone of his skill damn well should that will continue. I like Zero the best out of all the zergs because Calm doesn't play enough for me to really like his style and Effort is almost too good. And because I'm superficial and I think Zero>Effort in terms of appearance. On July 09 2009 08:35 darktreb wrote: When people ask me "who lost when Jaedong played Yarnc" I answer "Flash" Lol, that's actually kinda sad. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On July 09 2009 13:07 JWD wrote: I love everyone coming into this thread to comment on how JD is sucking, without even considering that by losing this game he eliminated Flash from the OSL Not everyone agrees with your pet theory; that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't consider it. but in any case if it was just this one game, then maybe. but how do you explain the two before it, where he played just as badly even though he had no reason to drop those? so the evidence points more to tired/slump than to conspiracy imho. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 09 2009 11:56 FrozenArbiter wrote: Well, in my limited experience vs queens, trying to make DAs to counter Queens is a lost cause - half the time you won't even kill them with your feedback because they didn't have enough mana. Plus, with parasite/overlords, it's just so easy for them to see where you are anyway. They are great vs defilers however, as defilers are slower, can always be killed when they have enough mana for a spell, cost a ton, etc. Switching to sair/dt/reaver and playing defensively means you get a force that can sort of take care of itself on the defence, while he'll have his hands full saving his queens from your sairs AND controlling his army. Of course, with progamer multitask and the fact that zero's army had a good percentage of hydras, he'd probably still handle it pretty well  But I think my point about switching to a more turtlish gameplan is still valid, and reavers are always good anyway! Its true that feedback probably wouldn't kill the queen, but it would at least render them unusable for the time being. Personally I never have fought against queens in a serious PvZ before, but it just seems that DAs would just render the queens useless, or at least it would come down to race of "who can cast their spell first", and feedback is cheaper/free. Then again, I guess the cliffs on HBR would help out the queens alot, so maybe you are right. | ||
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SpiZz
112 Posts
On July 09 2009 13:07 JWD wrote: I love everyone coming into this thread to comment on how JD is sucking, without even considering that by losing this game he eliminated Flash from the OSL Well, not everyone believes in your conspiracy theory, that JD would risk dropping out of OSL only to eliminate Flash, who is doing poorly in TvZ atm. JD is not invincible to Yarnc and Effort. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On July 09 2009 05:46 Jayme wrote: You say that as if it means nothing. If that's what you're implying then you are a complete moron. You don't train 10 hours a day and get paid for "just a game" Wtf, and 2 others who answered to my quote, no wonder i dont talk much on tl anymore.. There are people in this thread who are saying that jeadong droped his game on purpose.. What i wanted to say is that i laugh at those people, because if there is anyone to blame for droping flash out of this OSL is flash him self, since he lost 2 games prior to the game that happened today, so there is no point blaming jaedong that he droped the game to screw flash over( Flash had his chance, he was 0:2 already). And by saying "its a game" i only ment that things like winning and loosing happens all the time, because that is what gaming is all about.. Winning and loosing.. And there was no point for Jaedong droping the game since he could risk elimination. ffs.. next time read and stop randomly replying to words in the sentence.. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13181 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On July 09 2009 19:05 SpiZz wrote: Well, not everyone believes in your conspiracy theory, that JD would risk dropping out of OSL only to eliminate Flash, who is doing poorly in TvZ atm. JD is not invincible to Yarnc and Effort. This. Also, why would JD want to play MORE games than necessary atm? | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
Also ZerO totally stole that build from village_idiot. rofl | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On July 09 2009 17:55 qrs wrote: Not everyone agrees with your pet theory; that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't consider it. but in any case if it was just this one game, then maybe. but how do you explain the two before it, where he played just as badly even though he had no reason to drop those? so the evidence points more to tired/slump than to conspiracy imho. Yes, coming into this thread and being alarmed that Jaedong lost to Yarnc does necessarily mean that they didn't consider he had a strong incentive to do so. | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On July 10 2009 01:01 JWD wrote: Yes, coming into this thread and being alarmed that Jaedong lost to Yarnc does necessarily mean that they didn't consider he had a strong incentive to do so. Or maybe it was already ruled out as a ridiculously stupid idea and something JD wouldn't do. There's a difference. | ||
Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
On July 10 2009 01:01 JWD wrote: Yes, coming into this thread and being alarmed that Jaedong lost to Yarnc does necessarily mean that they didn't consider he had a strong incentive to do so. If you're so inclined to believe that JD lost on purpose, I'm guessing that the game won't be accounted for in the next PR right? | ||
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Nevuk
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Kacas
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baubo
China3370 Posts
The best way to throw a ZvZ is to go 12 hatch. There are so many ways to lose, not the least of which is simply dying to 9 pool. Even against 12 pool, you can always time a ling attack late so his mutas pop up just in time to screw you over. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
1: It seems very obvious that the outcome of this match for Jaedong is essentially irrelevant. Worst-case, he has to do a tiebreaker in his best matchup. So Jaedong had zero incentive to practice and prepare for this match vs. Yarnc, especially with other matches in the wings. 2: Jaedong didn't lose this match on purpose. We've seen what Jaedong looks like when he deliberately throws a game (see Jaedong's 5-pool vs. SkyHigh in the WL finals. Worst possible execution of a 5-pool). This game wasn't it. Jaedong cuts everything as close as possible, sometimes suicidally so. Doing that requires absolute perfect control at every moment, lest everything cascade into badness. The simple fact is that Jaedong's tired. When you're tired, you can't maintain the focus necessary to play things the way Jaedong does. He'll be less tired when the tiebreaker comes up (if Flash chooses to lose to/is beaten by Effort); he only has one Proleague game next week. On July 10 2009 03:33 Sigrun wrote: If you're so inclined to believe that JD lost on purpose, I'm guessing that the game won't be accounted for in the next PR right? That didn't stop him from taking Jaedong's obvious loss on purpose against SkyHigh in the WL finals into account. JD losing on purpose and allowing for that to happen seems slightly silly. Why? It's a perfectly legitimate stratagem. While Effort and Yarnc are capable of beating Jaedong, would you give them good odds on it? Honestly, who's more likely to beat Jaedong: Flash, Effort, or Yarnc? Taking Flash out of the possible equation for the OSL is a reasonable thing to do. Again, that's not saying that he in fact deliberately lost this game; I don't think he did. But It wouldn't be unreasonable for him to do so. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On July 10 2009 03:33 Sigrun wrote: If you're so inclined to believe that JD lost on purpose, I'm guessing that the game won't be accounted for in the next PR right? Of course there's no way to be sure that JD lost on purpose, so I'll just discount the game heavily when evaluating his recent results.  | ||
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