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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 14 2009 10:22 GMT
#341
HoeJJa with 2% of the vote, wow.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
June 14 2009 10:22 GMT
#342
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 14 2009 10:23 GMT
#343
On June 14 2009 19:21 Artosis wrote:
for everyone's information, fantasy is currently the best terran in teh world over flash.

HERE WE GO, all is clear now
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 14 2009 10:23 GMT
#344
On June 14 2009 19:21 boesthius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
grave digger is so good

sooooogood

i literally was all :D when i heard it start playing


hahaha im at the office and theres another guy here and im like yeeaaaaah grave digger and hes like what

and i said im watching pro starcraft and the intro music is a song by grave digger

and hes like 'must be a pretty cool game then'
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
June 14 2009 10:23 GMT
#345
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 14 2009 10:23 GMT
#346
On June 14 2009 19:23 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:21 Artosis wrote:
for everyone's information, fantasy is currently the best terran in teh world over flash.

HERE WE GO, all is clear now


eventually people will realize that someone like artosis doesnt have to come in and agree with me for me to be right because i'm always right and someone like artosis will always agree with me whether they come in and post or not
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 14 2009 10:23 GMT
#347
On June 14 2009 19:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:19 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:13 Musoeun wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:10 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:07 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:06 Piste wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:04 samachking wrote:
Thats why Flash is the best Terran to ever play the game and thats why noone argues the fact outside of TL.

fantasy is better. love em both tho.


fantasy loses to mediocre players...



fantasy is still unrefined

in terms of raw talent is he superior to flash but that's an abstract concept, flash is much more consistent

fantasy is the best terran in the world but it kinda takes the ability to ignore results altogether to think that way hahah


raw talent fantasy is better? lol

Flash is 16 and is better than fantasy. Who has more raw talent?


thats a dumb way to look at it

i think the fact that you think proleague games mean anything real is pretty funny


Well, okay (maybe...), but how many titles does fantasy have?

Yeah.


thats also a dumb way to look at it. is nada the current best player on earth?


How can you say fantasy is the best terran in the world then? Do you know how all terrans play in practice? Maybe some very weak-minded player is much better than fantasy, but fails when people watch him play?


does that matter at all? nope

feel free to say something thats actually relevant

Flash won an individual league at the age of 15. He played Starcraft the first time at the age of 12. You were talking about raw talent...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-14 10:25:14
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#348
On June 14 2009 19:18 darktreb wrote:
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On June 14 2009 19:10 bearbuddy wrote:
To me, Flash = pure mechanics and Fantasy = pure creativity. It's kinda like seeing Boxer and Oov.


You know the irony is, it seems that Oov is the one coming up with all the builds now.

Calling Flash pure mechanics sells him short a lot. He could use more harass in his play but he has been as responsible as anyone for defining standard Terran play over the past year. The exception, of course, is Fantasy's mech.

The upcoming MSL and OSL are really huge for Flash. He basically needs to make a really deep run in at least one, if not both leagues, and doing so will require him to redefine his play somewhat. If he manages to do that (and it's not inconceivable), he could potentially take yet another leap in skill. It's always felt like Flash hasn't quite fulfilled his potential, but if he doesn't get somewhere in this Starleague season, then maybe he really has peaked.


That came out wrong on my part. I meant that (more recently) mechanics define Flash's play. In the first game, we didn't even see mutas, but he made several turrets in preparation for the mutas. Flash is known for having the best defense, and mechanics play a huge role in that.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#349
Shuttle scouting right direction
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#350
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#351
Artosis and FakeSteve vs realitythe denizens of tl... who will win?
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#352
On June 14 2009 19:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:18 darktreb wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:10 bearbuddy wrote:
To me, Flash = pure mechanics and Fantasy = pure creativity. It's kinda like seeing Boxer and Oov.


You know the irony is, it seems that Oov is the one coming up with all the builds now.

Calling Flash pure mechanics sells him short a lot. He could use more harass in his play but he has been as responsible as anyone for defining standard Terran play over the past year. The exception, of course, is Fantasy's mech.

The upcoming MSL and OSL are really huge for Flash. He basically needs to make a really deep run in at least one, if not both leagues, and doing so will require him to redefine his play somewhat. If he manages to do that (and it's not inconceivable), he could potentially take yet another leap in skill. It's always felt like Flash hasn't quite fulfilled his potential, but if he doesn't get somewhere in this Starleague season, then maybe he really has peaked.


oov is not coming up with all the builds


Okokok I apologize for not specifying EXACTLY what I meant, which is just that it's ironic that Fantasy, a player defined by his beautiful surgical builds, is now considered the apprentice of Oov as opposed to Boxer. Of course Boxer being in ACE for most of this time is a huge reason for that - it was just a semi-joke.

Instead I should have said the irony is that Oov is being CREDITED for all the builds now. I know it's Fantasy doing it - personally I've defended Fantasy's builds and called people out for saying "it's all oov" multiple times on these forums.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
June 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#353
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 14 2009 10:25 GMT
#354
On June 14 2009 19:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:19 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:13 Musoeun wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:10 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:07 SuperArc wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:06 Piste wrote:
[quote]
fantasy is better. love em both tho.


fantasy loses to mediocre players...



fantasy is still unrefined

in terms of raw talent is he superior to flash but that's an abstract concept, flash is much more consistent

fantasy is the best terran in the world but it kinda takes the ability to ignore results altogether to think that way hahah


raw talent fantasy is better? lol

Flash is 16 and is better than fantasy. Who has more raw talent?


thats a dumb way to look at it

i think the fact that you think proleague games mean anything real is pretty funny


Well, okay (maybe...), but how many titles does fantasy have?

Yeah.


thats also a dumb way to look at it. is nada the current best player on earth?


How can you say fantasy is the best terran in the world then? Do you know how all terrans play in practice? Maybe some very weak-minded player is much better than fantasy, but fails when people watch him play?


does that matter at all? nope

feel free to say something thats actually relevant

Flash won an individual league at the age of 15. He played Starcraft the first time at the age of 12. You were talking about raw talent...


i'm glad you think raw talent is a measurement of how young you are when you win a starleague

please go back to watching starcraft with your infantile brain and leave the terran discussion to me!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha owned
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 14 2009 10:25 GMT
#355
Tasteless: STX is such a great team.
Warms my heart.
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
June 14 2009 10:25 GMT
#356
Much is also a talent, that he can still be a progamer despite his age.. =D
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 14 2009 10:26 GMT
#357
On June 14 2009 19:24 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2009 19:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:18 darktreb wrote:
On June 14 2009 19:10 bearbuddy wrote:
To me, Flash = pure mechanics and Fantasy = pure creativity. It's kinda like seeing Boxer and Oov.


You know the irony is, it seems that Oov is the one coming up with all the builds now.

Calling Flash pure mechanics sells him short a lot. He could use more harass in his play but he has been as responsible as anyone for defining standard Terran play over the past year. The exception, of course, is Fantasy's mech.

The upcoming MSL and OSL are really huge for Flash. He basically needs to make a really deep run in at least one, if not both leagues, and doing so will require him to redefine his play somewhat. If he manages to do that (and it's not inconceivable), he could potentially take yet another leap in skill. It's always felt like Flash hasn't quite fulfilled his potential, but if he doesn't get somewhere in this Starleague season, then maybe he really has peaked.


oov is not coming up with all the builds


Okokok I apologize for not specifying EXACTLY what I meant, which is just that it's ironic that Fantasy, a player defined by his beautiful surgical builds, is now considered the apprentice of Oov as opposed to Boxer. Of course Boxer being in ACE for most of this time is a huge reason for that - it was just a semi-joke.

Instead I should have said the irony is that Oov is being CREDITED for all the builds now. I know it's Fantasy doing it - personally I've defended Fantasy's builds and called people out for saying "it's all oov" multiple times on these forums.


oh ok

yeah the whole 'fantasy sucks its just oov feeding him gosu builds' thing is about the dumbest thing i've seen on tl over the last year and it was a pretty common statement for a while
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 14 2009 10:26 GMT
#358
I am sure the builds are a mix of fantasy, boxer and oov.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
June 14 2009 10:26 GMT
#359
Zealots pressuring but the barracks is well placed so that the marines can hide in the gap. First zealot was taken out and the second one withdrew as a dragoon takes out the scouting SCV.

Not much to go on so far.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
June 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#360
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