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On May 24 2009 09:30 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 09:02 Zozma wrote:
Give the BBS thing a rest. Flash went 14cc the first game, and Leta won the only standard game of the series.
Anyway, you hit the nail on the head: Flash has lost to many other players, and he can't stand up to Bisu or Jaedong as he is now, so he's not the best Terran. Or if he is, that's only because there's no truly great Terran right now. Wait, what? He can't stand up to Jaedong because he's 2-1 against Jaedong in 2009? And nobody was arguing "truly great Terran", just best Terran. Only Bisu actually has Flash's number right now (and even then it's just 1-3 lately). If we want to list out the losses for Fantasy, Skyhigh, or Leta lately ... it could get ugly. I LOVE Skyhigh but that loss where he just walked out and got ling surrounded was flat out ugly. Fantasy was playing so poorly between his Stork OSL run and JD OSL run that he looked like a complete one-hit wonder. I mean, that's just a terrible way to make an argument all around. But Fantasy is playing well again now. And I still think Leta is better than Flash, though I'm willing to admit that I'm biased.
Either way, if you can say that you think Flash would win a best of five with Jaedong or Bisu right now, then we just disagree and there's not much to be done about it.
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KTF was so happy, nice to see Flash not look so dead.
Violet is melting faces.
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On May 24 2009 09:43 Holgerius wrote:I am however a big fan of Fantasy as well. The Fantasy build is absolutely beautiful and extremely well thought out. He sure is entertaining as hell to watch. I really want to see a new Golden Age of terran. There has been way to many golds won by nasty Zergs and coward Tosses lately. I'm hoping for an era where Flash, Fantasy and Leta rule the scene; The Terran Kings! Skyhigh is lurking slightly behind them ATM, if he continues to play well he can be a Duke or something. 
Stork is the only Protoss to win an OSL in the last 4 years. =X It's been zerg heaven since Savior, as only Flash as a Terran has taken an OSL since then.
God it's so weird that Stork is the only Protoss to take an OSL out of the current generation. Curse your bones, Jaedong and July.
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Can someone explain to me what happened with Bisu and Violet? I know that violet gained an advantage when he did that dark templar play (which was hella sick) but Bisu also denied that 5 o clock expantion. So what made Violet win/have way more units? Anyone care to give me a detailed game analysis please?
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Pretty much Bisu's lack of shuttle in that big climactic fight. Violet ended up taking out 3 reavers with one after forcing Bisu into a fight that looked like Bisu had wrapped up because of the superb angle he had. Goes to show, 1 shuttle and 1 reaver > four reavers.
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So many Flash haters/Fantasy lovers lurking here. It's funny to read comments that Fantasy is better because he is more entertaining. LOL
Regarding Violet's win. He was just simply ahead whole game after getting earlier expo and holding off the pressure from Bisu. After that he did everything perfectly. True, Bisu shut down 4th but Violet at the same time shut down Bisu's third.
Also Bisu engaged a bit hastily in that grand battle. He wanted to shut down that 4th really quickly (since he felt he was behind) so he decided to attack without support of the reavres and then the lack of shuttle really hurt him. Even though he won he wasn't able to macro up as quickly as Violet and Violet just ran him over. GG
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
^Pretty much sums up what happened in game 3
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Anyone saying that Flash isn't the best Terran in the world may be close to the truth, but they're just deluding themselves in the end. I'm impartial to all terrans.
Anyone who says Flash does the same thing, or tries to make him look bad through his builds is stupid, since Flash has no association with any build (except 14 CC). His "slumps" also don't come from stagnation or variation in his gameplay.
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Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx
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On May 24 2009 10:54 fearus wrote:
Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx
This is the posting equivalent of a well executed 2 hatch hydra bust.
It's fun arguing about Flash/Fantasy, but we'll see what happens in the leagues. I think Flash is gonna pwn, but we shall see.
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On May 24 2009 10:54 fearus wrote:
Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx
I'd actually pick skyhigh, I trust his pressure performance more than either Flash or fantasy. He simply doesn't have the history to be "the best" yet.
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On May 24 2009 10:54 fearus wrote:
Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx Posting equivalent of a 2 hatch hydra bust is right.
It's cheesy and doesn't prove anything. Because I would choose Leta, the next bonjwa, anyway. And I'm pretty sure everyone who's arguing Flash isn't the best terran in the world would also choose their candidate for the spot.
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On May 24 2009 11:12 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 10:54 fearus wrote:
Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx Posting equivalent of a 2 hatch hydra bust is right. It's cheesy and doesn't prove anything. Because I would choose Leta, the next bonjwa, anyway. And I'm pretty sure everyone who's arguing Flash isn't the best terran in the world would also choose their candidate for the spot.
Yea but your nex is still just as gone. Man these starcraft metaphors are fun, I could keep this up for as long as a Canata TvT!
Gosh, I really want to see a translation. Do we know if anyone is going to do one for this match?
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Konadora is too peeved. =(
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On May 24 2009 12:24 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 11:12 Zozma wrote:On May 24 2009 10:54 fearus wrote:
Look
If your life depended on winning a sc match today and you had to pick 1 terran to play for you.
We would all pick flash
k thx Posting equivalent of a 2 hatch hydra bust is right. It's cheesy and doesn't prove anything. Because I would choose Leta, the next bonjwa, anyway. And I'm pretty sure everyone who's arguing Flash isn't the best terran in the world would also choose their candidate for the spot. Yea but your nex is still just as gone. Man these starcraft metaphors are fun, I could keep this up for as long as a Canata TvT! Gosh, I really want to see a translation. Do we know if anyone is going to do one for this match? No, cause I would proxy dt tech like Anytime. But I guess that doesn't have anything to do with the argument? Ah well.
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heh I wanted SKT1 to win, but BeSt to lose. I guess I got half :<
Flash is the "better" terran because he is more mechanically sound though.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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On May 24 2009 06:28 tree.hugger wrote:I never said that Flash isn't the second best Terran around, but I don't think he ever improves. Flash simply becomes more precise and more technically sound. Flash beat  fantasy because Flash built his first supply depot in exactly the right spot to see Fantasy's drop coming. Otherwise, fantasy takes out a lot more SCVs, and Flash doesn't get to roll over him. Flash won, as he so often does, because he did everything right. That doesn't make him the best Terran.
What? That is exactly what makes you the best, doing everything right..
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Hopefully Smix can, I dought Konadora will considerin the outcome.
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