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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 25 2009 20:03 GMT
#1041
In retrospect of this thread, I do like how people say Flash isn't creative or dynamic. He's probably the only player I've ever seen actually find a legitimate use for Ghosts and Nukes in a game.
Remember Violet.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
May 25 2009 20:33 GMT
#1042
Failzerg wins everybody else loses
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 25 2009 20:34 GMT
#1043
And there are still no interviews... I guess I have to accept that I will never read how Violet felt after he won against Bisu...
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-25 20:39:10
May 25 2009 20:38 GMT
#1044
Smix is working on it. It's right in her sig: "Working on: Nada/reach ; KTF/SKT1" Give the girl a break.
Remember Violet.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 25 2009 20:41 GMT
#1045
On May 26 2009 05:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Smix is working on it. It's right in her sig: "Working on: Nada/reach ; KTF/SKT1" Give the girl a break.


Oh. I didn't know. Obvioulsy I don't want to push anyone while on the other hand I am super eager to read it. But the knowledge that someone is working on it is calming.
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
May 25 2009 22:56 GMT
#1046
Haha, us KTF fans are just getting a little edgy! It's been a while since we had a solid win to celebrate
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 26 2009 00:00 GMT
#1047
On May 26 2009 05:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
In retrospect of this thread, I do like how people say Flash isn't creative or dynamic. He's probably the only player I've ever seen actually find a legitimate use for Ghosts and Nukes in a game.


?

There are other terrans who have used Ghosts/nukes effectively
Writerptrk
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 00:18:54
May 26 2009 00:15 GMT
#1048
Effectively=/= a legitimately useful situation that occured in a top tier match (Flash vs Skyhigh). We've seen scrubs get nuked hilariously (Boxer vs Baxter, heheh) plenty of times and it technically counted as 'effective,' but it wasn't a situation that it was best suited for, unlike the hidden barracks thing Flash was about to pull on Skyhigh before he finished it off anyhow.
Remember Violet.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 26 2009 00:21 GMT
#1049
i have been out of country for a while so i havent been followign.

after watching Flash's game and the result, holy shit,lolol
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 26 2009 00:21 GMT
#1050
On May 26 2009 09:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effectively=/= a legitimately useful situation that occured in a top tier match (Flash vs Skyhigh). We've seen scrubs get nuked hilariously (Boxer vs Baxter, heheh) plenty of times and it technically counted as 'effective,' but it wasn't a situation that it was best suited for, unlike the hidden barracks thing Flash was about to pull on Skyhigh before he finished it off anyhow.

Casy vs. Jy on Troy?

Also, it's kind of silly to say that Flash is using nukes "legitimately" when he's already miles ahead in a game, but Boxer wasn't using them "legitimately" because he was playing a much weaker opponent...aren't these effectively the same situation?
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 26 2009 00:40 GMT
#1051
Canata used nukes against go.go on Wuthering Heights, Canata won the match
I believe Boxer also used it against Nal_rA in some game on Python
Writerptrk
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 00:52:22
May 26 2009 00:48 GMT
#1052
On May 26 2009 09:21 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2009 09:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effectively=/= a legitimately useful situation that occured in a top tier match (Flash vs Skyhigh). We've seen scrubs get nuked hilariously (Boxer vs Baxter, heheh) plenty of times and it technically counted as 'effective,' but it wasn't a situation that it was best suited for, unlike the hidden barracks thing Flash was about to pull on Skyhigh before he finished it off anyhow.

Casy vs. Jy on Troy?

Also, it's kind of silly to say that Flash is using nukes "legitimately" when he's already miles ahead in a game, but Boxer wasn't using them "legitimately" because he was playing a much weaker opponent...aren't these effectively the same situation?


Flash wasn't too far ahead, and even if he was the point was, outside of gimmicking weaker opponents (Skyhigh is not a weak opponent, especially on dest), he used something few people see as useful for more than scouting in TvT (the barracks) adaptively (making marines to fight off Skyhigh's wraiths) and inventively (after his forces were cleared out from behind he landed it and made the most powerful unit you can out of a barracks, ghosts with nukes, where Skyhigh had thought was a clear area).

And beyond that, the point was Flash is a player who knows how to adapt and, even on the fly, do unorthodox and clever strategies. People keep arguing Fantasy's creativeness is what makes him better and that Flash is just a robot when that's not really the case.

And yeah, I guess I haven't seen every game there is and might've missed some Nukes (I've been mostly a casual watcher since the days of Reach), but the level of play this happened on was in an entirely different league. Boxer vs Nal_Ra, or the time, might've been top tier, but nothing compared to the hyper-optimized games of today.

If Flash were just doing it to embarass/revenge kill/bad manner the hell out of Skyhigh he wouldn't have finished it off with the drops. The only thing there was his purely optimizing style and creativeness kicking in.
Remember Violet.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 26 2009 00:52 GMT
#1053
On May 26 2009 05:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
In retrospect of this thread, I do like how people say Flash isn't creative or dynamic. He's probably the only player I've ever seen actually find a legitimate use for Ghosts and Nukes in a game.

Stylish even has nuke sunkenbust build replays. O_o It's not that strange, really. Maybe at the prolevel, but yeah.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 26 2009 01:05 GMT
#1054
It's pretty sad how absolutely specific I have to be to get a point across.
Remember Violet.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 26 2009 02:06 GMT
#1055
On May 26 2009 10:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's pretty sad how absolutely specific I have to be to get a point across.

Welcome to crowdsourced quality control!
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psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
May 26 2009 02:16 GMT
#1056
Citing the flash vs skyhigh as a "legitimate use of nukes" is one of the most hilariously off-mark arguments I've heard in my life.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
May 26 2009 02:31 GMT
#1057
Wait are you referring to the SkyHigh vs Flash game where Flash had pretty much already won and started making nukes? + Show Spoiler +
It was not a legitimate use for nukes given much ahead he was. I'm not saying Flash isn't creative, but him making nukes when the other player is ready to GG is not proving he is creative.
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
May 26 2009 03:25 GMT
#1058
it wasnt legitimate. casy's sunken bust nuke is way more legitimate than flash's. plus, ive seen boxer use ghosts alot better than flash (nal_ra vs boxer on monty, even though he lost, he still wiped out all the carriers)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-26 03:41:34
May 26 2009 03:40 GMT
#1059
On May 26 2009 11:31 BlackMagister wrote:
Wait are you referring to the SkyHigh vs Flash game where Flash had pretty much already won and started making nukes? + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLP7yZJ1J9E
It was not a legitimate use for nukes given much ahead he was. I'm not saying Flash isn't creative, but him making nukes when the other player is ready to GG is not proving he is creative.



He was working on it well before then.

It's just an example of him being cleverly unorthodox. He was ready to deliver the killing blow but like I said, it's not like he was doing it not for it to be useful -- if he was doing it for anything other than effectiveness then he wouldn't have doom dropped the expo and would've BM nuked the hell out of him.

Serves me right for exaggerating.

I should just go back and edit the post to "Cleverly setting up Ghosts and Nukes in a more modern game" How dare I use the word legitimate.
Remember Violet.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
May 26 2009 07:24 GMT
#1060
On May 25 2009 05:57 Smix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2009 03:15 Harem wrote:
On May 25 2009 03:13 RainmanMP wrote:
On May 25 2009 03:06 Samurai- wrote:
Lately there are no translations

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=95833&db=interview&cate=001&page=2&field=&kwrd=

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=95832&db=interview&cate=001&page=2&field=&kwrd=

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=95831&db=interview&cate=001&page=2&field=&kwrd=

Those are the interviews of this great Ktf vs Skt1 rivalry, massive thanks to those who can take the time and translate, since google translator sux :/



Hopefully Smix can, I dought Konadora will considerin the outcome.

Smix has troubles accessing TL lately.


I'll do them later tonight after I come back from dinner and whatnot.


Have i missed this or its still not translated? Pls smix
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