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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 23 2009 19:58 GMT
#961
On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him.


Are you kidding me?

Flash has ALWAYS been those things, this isn't a new thing. Flash was and still is the best terran around.. period... you can't even reasonably dispute this fact just because he lost a few games recently.

Also lol@luxury. Could this guy do any worse.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 23 2009 19:59 GMT
#962
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 20:08 GMT
#963
On May 24 2009 04:58 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him.


Are you kidding me?

Flash has ALWAYS been those things, this isn't a new thing. Flash was and still is the best terran around.. period... you can't even reasonably dispute this fact just because he lost a few games recently.

Also lol@luxury. Could this guy do any worse.
No... he's not really that good compared to his former self. Fantasy and Leta are playing at least as good if not better than Flash right now. I think so, anyway.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 20:09 GMT
#964
On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong.
YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 23 2009 20:12 GMT
#965
Hahaha, this tank of "awesome" sounds like magic points in a RPG. :D
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 20:22:41
May 23 2009 20:21 GMT
#966
On May 24 2009 04:23 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 03:50 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 24 2009 03:23 Holgerius wrote:
On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him.

I don't get how you can argue that Fantasy is better than Flash. 66% wins vs 56% wins. 43 wins in PL vs 24 wins in PL. That says quite alot. I would also say Leta is at least on par with Fantasy.


Fantasy is better for two reasons:
1) He's been more impressive recently in starleagues.

2) This may strike people as not a reason at all, but it clinches the argument for me. Fantasy is more innovative and interesting. Alright, Flash is a complete beast, everything from his scv transfers to turret placement is perfect. But we know what we're going to get from Flash. He never varies his TvP style, or his TvT style, or his TvZ style. We like our top players with a spark of genius, and indeed, Bisu revolutionized PvZ, Jaedong revolutionized ZvZ, and Fantasy revolutionized TvZ. Amidst all of this we have Flash who stays strong with the same style, and has the same success. He's great, but I don't think he'll ever win a Starleague again. It's very possible to prepare specifically for him, and I think he's a perennial threat, but never a potential winner.

Didn't this last game only make the series 2-2? So head-to-head they're even. But Fantasy is the better Terran overall, and will be for some time.

EDIT: Oh, and Leta is not better than Fantasy at all. sKyHigh and Leta are about the same distance back, but make no mistake, they're in the back.


How innotive and interesting = better, exactly ?


Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.

As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 20:23:59
May 23 2009 20:23 GMT
#967
On May 24 2009 05:12 SuperArc wrote:
Hahaha, this tank of "awesome" sounds like magic points in a RPG. :D


Luxury's comebacks could only be explained via magic.

Just give him a season, guys. He's got to refill up by sucking for awhile before he can go on a tear. It'll hurt KTF for now, but he'll be back! Someday...
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 23 2009 20:26 GMT
#968
On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.

As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.


If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 20:36 GMT
#969
On May 24 2009 05:26 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.

As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.


If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today?
Saying that would carry more weight if it was a bo5.
orcsmash
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada319 Posts
May 23 2009 20:45 GMT
#970
On May 24 2009 05:26 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.

As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.


If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today?



Because you can't prepare for awesome, obviously.


(oo)b
TheTeamLiquidTiger
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
May 23 2009 20:52 GMT
#971
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
SlayerS_BoxeR FTW ///// Long live the Emperor
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 23 2009 20:58 GMT
#972
Best used to be good, but nowadays he isn't worthy of being called a dragon anymore.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 20:59 GMT
#973
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
Not as overrated as Flash is.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
May 23 2009 21:07 GMT
#974
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?

no one is actively and blindly saying he's fucking amazing. jeez don't you see people admit that he's not as good as he once was?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 23 2009 21:11 GMT
#975
On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
Not as overrated as Flash is.


Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion.
Remember Violet.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 23 2009 21:12 GMT
#976
On May 24 2009 05:09 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong.
YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually.


Yarnc's ZvZ has been pretty good lately... but he's under 50% winrate all-time. That doesn't count as "pretty good".
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 21:13 GMT
#977
On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
Not as overrated as Flash is.


Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion.
The position of the best terran around is (T)already taken, my friend.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
May 23 2009 21:13 GMT
#978
On May 24 2009 06:12 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 05:09 Zozma wrote:
On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong.
YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually.


Yarnc's ZvZ has been pretty good lately... but he's under 50% winrate all-time. That doesn't count as "pretty good".
Forget about the numbers- the way he plays ZvZ is strong.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 23 2009 21:16 GMT
#979
On May 24 2009 06:13 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
Not as overrated as Flash is.


Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion.
The position of the best terran around is (T)already taken, my friend.

Yes, that's (T)true.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 23 2009 21:16 GMT
#980
On May 24 2009 06:13 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:
On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
Not as overrated as Flash is.


Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion.
The position of the best terran around is (T)already taken, my friend.


He has to prove that with winning a SL.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
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