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On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him.
Are you kidding me?
Flash has ALWAYS been those things, this isn't a new thing. Flash was and still is the best terran around.. period... you can't even reasonably dispute this fact just because he lost a few games recently.
Also lol@luxury. Could this guy do any worse.
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I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong.
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On May 24 2009 04:58 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him. Are you kidding me? Flash has ALWAYS been those things, this isn't a new thing. Flash was and still is the best terran around.. period... you can't even reasonably dispute this fact just because he lost a few games recently. Also lol@luxury. Could this guy do any worse. No... he's not really that good compared to his former self. Fantasy and Leta are playing at least as good if not better than Flash right now. I think so, anyway.
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On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong. YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually.
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Hahaha, this tank of "awesome" sounds like magic points in a RPG. :D
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On May 24 2009 04:23 Ninja4ever. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 03:50 tree.hugger wrote:On May 24 2009 03:23 Holgerius wrote:On May 24 2009 02:48 HnR)hT wrote:
Fantasy vs Flash was predictable build order loss. Fantasy did really well anyway due to brilliant management and harass, but Flash didn't make any mistakes. It's funny how Flash wins one game (after a streak of losses) and suddenly he's "the best terran," "invincible," and "really understand the underlying strategy better than anyone." For my money, Fantasy still owns him. I don't get how you can argue that Fantasy is better than Flash. 66% wins vs 56% wins. 43 wins in PL vs 24 wins in PL. That says quite alot. I would also say Leta is at least on par with Fantasy. Fantasy is better for two reasons: 1) He's been more impressive recently in starleagues. 2) This may strike people as not a reason at all, but it clinches the argument for me. Fantasy is more innovative and interesting. Alright, Flash is a complete beast, everything from his scv transfers to turret placement is perfect. But we know what we're going to get from Flash. He never varies his TvP style, or his TvT style, or his TvZ style. We like our top players with a spark of genius, and indeed, Bisu revolutionized PvZ, Jaedong revolutionized ZvZ, and Fantasy revolutionized TvZ. Amidst all of this we have Flash who stays strong with the same style, and has the same success. He's great, but I don't think he'll ever win a Starleague again. It's very possible to prepare specifically for him, and I think he's a perennial threat, but never a potential winner. Didn't this last game only make the series 2-2? So head-to-head they're even. But Fantasy is the better Terran overall, and will be for some time. EDIT: Oh, and Leta is not better than Fantasy at all. sKyHigh and Leta are about the same distance back, but make no mistake, they're in the back. How innotive and interesting = better, exactly ?
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.
As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.
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On May 24 2009 05:12 SuperArc wrote:
Hahaha, this tank of "awesome" sounds like magic points in a RPG. :D
Luxury's comebacks could only be explained via magic.
Just give him a season, guys. He's got to refill up by sucking for awhile before he can go on a tear. It'll hurt KTF for now, but he'll be back! Someday...
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On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.
As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.
If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today?
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On May 24 2009 05:26 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.
As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.
If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today? Saying that would carry more weight if it was a bo5.
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On May 24 2009 05:26 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 05:21 tree.hugger wrote:
Because when you do weird things right, you win. Flash you can prepare for, Fantasy... maybe not so much.
As for Luxury, that "Tank of Awesome" explanation is fantastic.
If Flash is so predictable, how did Fantasy, the master of preparing lose against him today?
Because you can't prepare for awesome, obviously.
(oo)b
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does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
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Best used to be good, but nowadays he isn't worthy of being called a dragon anymore.
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On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated? Not as overrated as Flash is.
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On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated?
no one is actively and blindly saying he's fucking amazing. jeez don't you see people admit that he's not as good as he once was?
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On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated? Not as overrated as Flash is.
Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion.
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On May 24 2009 05:09 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong. YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually.
Yarnc's ZvZ has been pretty good lately... but he's under 50% winrate all-time. That doesn't count as "pretty good".
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On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated? Not as overrated as Flash is. Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion. The position of the best terran around is  already taken, my friend.
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On May 24 2009 06:12 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 05:09 Zozma wrote:On May 24 2009 04:59 Musoeun wrote:
I concluded Luxury was sucking for real when he (a usually top ZvZer) lost to his brother (a usually bad ZvZer). Luxury's done nothing since then to prove me wrong. YarnC is pretty good ZvZ, actually. Yarnc's ZvZ has been pretty good lately... but he's under 50% winrate all-time. That doesn't count as "pretty good". Forget about the numbers- the way he plays ZvZ is strong.
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On May 24 2009 06:13 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated? Not as overrated as Flash is. Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion. The position of the best terran around is already taken, my friend.
Yes, that's true.
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On May 24 2009 06:13 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2009 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On May 24 2009 05:59 Zozma wrote:On May 24 2009 05:52 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
does anyone else think that Best is overrated? Not as overrated as Flash is. Hahahaha. Flash is rated exactly as he should be. Obviously a monster with the potential to easily be the best Terran around, but not immune to bad runs or overexertion. The position of the best terran around is already taken, my friend.
He has to prove that with winning a SL.
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