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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
March 29 2009 14:48 GMT
#1121
On March 29 2009 23:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

you are dumb

hurrr hurrr no one ever gets better at sc only mechanics


ok fakesteve, then tell me what u honestly think idra will accomplish in korea? OSL qualifying? MSL quali? even a round of 16 somewhere?
i appreciate ur enthusiasm though :D
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 29 2009 14:59 GMT
#1122
IdrA has already accomplished a lot...I mean, he's the only non-Korean professional SC player in the world right now (unless there are 1 or 2 Chinese I don't know about...).

Also keep in mind that many of today's gosus had years as B-team players.

IdrA did a pretty good job here to go 1-2....I'll have to watch the VODs, but honestly this was a pretty brutal map pool for a TvP Bo3.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
March 29 2009 15:55 GMT
#1123
damn i was hoping idrA would make it through
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
March 29 2009 16:15 GMT
#1124
So its 12EST, where are the videos? GOM used to have them up early in the morning.
BUL)WILL4O
Profile Joined March 2009
Bulgaria9 Posts
March 29 2009 16:21 GMT
#1125
People here are so biased it's sad. Idra , Idra , Idra and have he done? Losing 1-2 to a noname like Trap , showing how bad judgement he has in game 2 and losing horribly in game 3..

And what did we see today from Idra? Nothing. He is playing all along his boring macro thing which he isn't even good at seriously...Idra said that Strelok is a one strategy player when he is doing a fac , cc in every game - so lame. Idra has no style or clue what he is doing , just massing units and pushing every single time. I guess he haven't learned anything in korea for 1 year but hey we can still listen non stop from Idra's friends how he is destroying everyone in practice games , ahahahaha. So let's get the fact straight - Idra has no style , no strategy , he is zero agressive , he cant handle rush but that doesnt stop him from beating everyone in practice games - rofled.

I am more than convinced that any top notch foreigner player would win Trap in a bo3 without a whole year of practicing with progamers , yeah convinced - wanna bet money?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 29 2009 16:21 GMT
#1126
On March 29 2009 23:48 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 23:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

you are dumb

hurrr hurrr no one ever gets better at sc only mechanics


ok fakesteve, then tell me what u honestly think idra will accomplish in korea? OSL qualifying? MSL quali? even a round of 16 somewhere?
i appreciate ur enthusiasm though :D

Youre just jealous is all it is. Pissed that idras doing a dream youre never going to get a chance to live.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 29 2009 16:22 GMT
#1127
On March 30 2009 01:21 BUL)WILL4O wrote:
People here are so biased it's sad. Idra , Idra , Idra and have he done? Losing 1-2 to a noname like Trap , showing how bad judgement he has in game 2 and losing horribly in game 3..

And what did we see today from Idra? Nothing. He is playing all along his boring macro thing which he isn't even good at seriously...Idra said that Strelok is a one strategy player when he is doing a fac , cc in every game - so lame. Idra has no style or clue what he is doing , just massing units and pushing every single time. I guess he haven't learned anything in korea for 1 year but hey we can still listen non stop from Idra's friends how he is destroying everyone in practice games , ahahahaha. So let's get the fact straight - Idra has no style , no strategy , he is zero agressive , he cant handle rush but that doesnt stop him from beating everyone in practice games - rofled.

I am more than convinced that any top notch foreigner player would win Trap in a bo3 without a whole year of practicing with progamers , yeah convinced - wanna bet money?

and you sir are full of shit
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 29 2009 16:29 GMT
#1128
On March 30 2009 01:21 BUL)WILL4O wrote:
People here are so biased it's sad. Idra , Idra , Idra and have he done? Losing 1-2 to a noname like Trap , showing how bad judgement he has in game 2 and losing horribly in game 3..

And what did we see today from Idra? Nothing. He is playing all along his boring macro thing which he isn't even good at seriously...Idra said that Strelok is a one strategy player when he is doing a fac , cc in every game - so lame. Idra has no style or clue what he is doing , just massing units and pushing every single time. I guess he haven't learned anything in korea for 1 year but hey we can still listen non stop from Idra's friends how he is destroying everyone in practice games , ahahahaha. So let's get the fact straight - Idra has no style , no strategy , he is zero agressive , he cant handle rush but that doesnt stop him from beating everyone in practice games - rofled.

I am more than convinced that any top notch foreigner player would win Trap in a bo3 without a whole year of practicing with progamers , yeah convinced - wanna bet money?

Given what happened in that Europe vs Korean match, you think a top terran foreigner player can win against an actual progamer on a team on Medusa, Destination, and Tau Cross?
Sorry, that's pretty illogical.
Jaedong
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 29 2009 16:32 GMT
#1129
On March 30 2009 01:21 BUL)WILL4O wrote:
I am more than convinced that any top notch foreigner player would win Trap in a bo3 without a whole year of practicing with progamers , yeah convinced - wanna bet money?


I would bet money yes lol

A terran would definitely get his face eaten off in this map pool unless he's a top tier pro gamer.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 29 2009 16:37 GMT
#1130
I want to watch the VODs but apparently they're not up at Gomtv.net. Anyone know of some other place one can attain them?
Moo
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 29 2009 16:38 GMT
#1131
On March 29 2009 23:48 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 23:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

you are dumb

hurrr hurrr no one ever gets better at sc only mechanics


ok fakesteve, then tell me what u honestly think idra will accomplish in korea? OSL qualifying? MSL quali? even a round of 16 somewhere?
i appreciate ur enthusiasm though :D


well first of all let me say that idra's progression so far is better than comparable to any other player who was at idra's skill level when they started, given the same timeline. what we've seen today was a vast improvement over the idra that went to estro so many months ago.

talking to idra on msn after these games, he knows exactly why he lost, and he is not making excuses. thankfully he isn't paying any attention to all the naysayers who don't realize it won't be all sunshine and rainbows your first year in korea, starting as a decent nonkorean terran.

the people who like to talk shit about idra because he's bad manner are fucking stupid. you aren't fans of the game, you're drama-mongering little shits, and you need to back the fuck off. idra's bad manner, we all know, he knows too. he describes himself as 'an angry little nerd'. he doesn't give a shit. when he wakes up in the morning he goes to his practice area with the sole intent of becoming a better player than he was the day before, and he is progressing on that line.

my msn conversation with idra was full of praise for trap - the kid played a hell of a game and countered idra's prepared builds very well. he's no pushover, this is a guy who had some savage one-sided wins during his osl prelims group. this is the level of competition idra has to win against, he realizes these aren't newbies that he would only lose against if they cheese or whatever bullshit people assume idra thinks about this game.

idra is wholly dedicated to progaming and he is making real, tangible improvements on a daily basis. the tvp he played tonight was leaps and bounds above what any other terran outside of korea is capable of - coaches from other teams were legitimately impressed and commenting on game 1 as 'the best foreigner play ever'. i think maybe they know more about this than you do.

in short: everyone needs to stop giving idra shit because he's bad manner. he is trying harder than any of you can possibly realize, is making real progress, and has just as big a chance as anyone currently in his position, korean or otherwise, of making it big in this game.

the reason i called you stupid is because you said something about players only improving mechanically when they become progamers which is the DUMBEST shit i've read around here in at least a week. i'm sorry you don't comprehend the life of a B team progamer. don't be misguided enough to think you are in any way qualified to assess idra and his potential as a progamer.

idra fucking fighting, fuck the haters
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 16:44:12
March 29 2009 16:38 GMT
#1132
To put things into perspective, Trap was drafted right about the same time that IdrA went to Korea to begin training with eSTRO. Playing on maps that are fairly difficult for TvP IdrA looked like he was not very far behind the curve at all. What's impressive is that he had Trap on the ropes for most of the first two games, and considering he's on STX's A-Team, that's an encouraging sign.

To all you people bitching about IdrA, how about we look at how the other players that were drafted a year ago (right about the time he went to Korea) are doing:
+ Show Spoiler +
eSTRO
Is[WHITE] - dk
(P)YoungA - retired
(Z)Melon - B-Team (0-1 in PL)
(Z)Action - A-Team ( 0-3 in PL)
(P)Say - A-Team

SK Telecom T1
(P)TosSLove - B-Team
(Z)n.die_soo - B-Team
(T)Mong - B-Team
(T)SEri[ScM] - retired
(Z)Modern - retired

KTF MagicNs
(T)Raynor - B-Team
(T)TheName - retired
(T)hanjo[S.G] - retired
(T)HoBBang - B-Team

Woongjin Stars
(T)MVP - A-Team (3-9 in PL)
(P)TuHon - B-Team
(T)ReaL - B-Team

STX SouL
(P)Trap - A-Team
(Z)Agape - B-Team
(Z)Newface - retired
(Z)HuskaL - B-Team

WeMade FOX
Lumpen[S.G] - dk
(Z)RorO - A-Team (15-20, made it to MST)
(Z)Shine[kaL] - A-Team (9-10, qualified for OSL)
(T)tOmAtO - retired
Rv.Rav - dk

Samsung KHAN
(Z)Chavi - A-Team (0-1 in PL)
(P)JoOn - B-Team
(Z)JoJoBa - retired (qualified for OSL)
(Z)Robbie - B-Team
(P)Endless - B-Team

OnGameNet SPARKYZ
(P)Tazza - A-Team (1-7, qualified for OSL)
(P)Horang2 - A-Team (3-3, qualified for MSL)

MBCGame HERO
(Z)Ace[S.G] - B-Team
(T)GGulGGul - B-Team
(Z)BajO - B-Team

CJ Entus
(T)AzAng - B-Team
(P)Wolf - B-Team
(P)Choya - retired
(Z)Hydra - A-Team
(P)Fire[Shield] - retired

Hwaseung OZ
(Z)Falcon - B-Team
(P)PerfectMan - A-Team

So, only 5/44 (11%) players have made it past the prelims and only 9/44 (20%) have played in a non-Gom league.
  • 11/44 (25%) are on the A-Team
  • 19/44 (43%) are on the B-Team
  • 14/44 (32%) are already retired/unknown status
Seeing that he belongs in the middle group, IdrA seems to be par for the course as far as gamers who are just about a year into their progaming career. From what I understand, it takes 2-3 years for most players to get to a point to where they can contribute on the A-Team (as long as they haven't retired already), and if IdrA showed any major results before then he would be doing exceptional.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 29 2009 16:46 GMT
#1133
to annotate that, idra was a shitload worse than most of those players a year ago
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 29 2009 16:48 GMT
#1134
Man, everywhere I look more By. members.
Like the entire By. team got drafted into progaming.
lol
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
BUL)WILL4O
Profile Joined March 2009
Bulgaria9 Posts
March 29 2009 16:51 GMT
#1135
Where did I say top foreigner terran? Oh and now the maps are the reason why Idra lost so bad? Okay , so foolish by my side , pretty obvious Idra would have crushed him on any other maps...
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 29 2009 16:53 GMT
#1136
On March 30 2009 01:51 BUL)WILL4O wrote:
Where did I say top foreigner terran? Oh and now the maps are the reason why Idra lost so bad? Okay , so foolish by my side , pretty obvious Idra would have crushed him on any other maps...


fucking retard, no one said anything like that

everyone who isn't a starcraft fan needs to get the fuck off this site
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
March 29 2009 16:55 GMT
#1137
Better luck next time Idra! Going 1-3 vs. an A-teamer on that map pool ain't too bad at all.
JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
BUL)WILL4O
Profile Joined March 2009
Bulgaria9 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 17:04:44
March 29 2009 17:03 GMT
#1138
Ahahaha FakeSteve you think you are somebody here , calling people names and stuff? So sad ahahahahaha
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 17:06:25
March 29 2009 17:05 GMT
#1139
Wow, that Will4o guy has balls, calling out an admin like that. inb4 b7.

Idra going 1-2 vs a Korean A-Teamer is very impressive. I'm just sad he ended up losing
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 29 2009 17:09 GMT
#1140
On March 30 2009 02:03 BUL)WILL4O wrote:
Ahahaha FakeSteve you think you are somebody here , calling people names and stuff? So sad ahahahahaha


yea he happens to be an admin of this site lol gl
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