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Atrioc
United States1866 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:48 De4ngus wrote: Lol, ForGG is a double agent. "dont even practice against 12 hatch, i know for a fact that my boy jaedong is gonna go for a 5 pool on all four of these maps" /// after games /// "oh shit well i guess i better go back to lecaf thanks for the paycheck" | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On March 23 2009 11:37 Linx_101 wrote: How can you say that Fantasy is the third best right now ?!?! Flash is a much better player and ran into some hard luck today. Honestly, Fantasy over Leta, Flash and Bisu or Jangbi. That'll be the day. Mb because Fantasy 3-0ed the guy who creamed flash 4-2 | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On March 23 2009 13:06 Kyo Yuy wrote: ...I have no idea what the hell just happened. Any way Jaedong's going to have to dominate for much longer than one month to be considered a bonjwa candidate. With the extremely high level of competition in Pro Starcraft these days, I don't expect him to stay on top forever. I actually have a feeling someone from CJ Entus will snipe him in the next match... but that's a total hunch so don't quote me on that. Where is the trust man, why don't possess it. I WANT TO BELIEVE. | ||
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r1fl3m4n
United States28 Posts
Jaedong beating Flash on Rush Hour 3 is just fucking insane | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On March 23 2009 14:31 r1fl3m4n wrote: Jaedong beating Flash is pretty cool. Jaedong beating Flash on Rush Hour 3 is just fucking insane more like flash beating flash sure jaedong is FUCKING AMAZING, but flash was the the jesus flash we know and love that game | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
 So, Hoejja vs. Jaedong: Hoejja had a shot. He speed-bumped Jaedong kinda with the Overlord kills, but they came too late to stop Jaedong's initial Muta. He had one shot: kill enough Drones with that first raid to win. He failed, Jaedong won. fOrGG vs. Jaedong: "Do you know the old Klingon proverb which tells us that revenge is a dish best served cold?" This was like a snuff film: it's watching a Terran being raped and murdered, the mangled corpse thrown into an incinerator to hide the evidence. At no time was fOrGG anywhere near in control of that match; Jaedong planned and decided every move fOrGG made as though he were on the other keyboard. Jaedong sees 14CC? He goes 3-Hatch before the pool. Jaedong expects 'Mech, so he does some Hydra-harass at the beginning off the 3-Hatch. This speed-bumps fOrGG, reducing the unit count. Then he sends his dancing Mutalisks in to have a party with fOrGG's SCVs, and he even takes the opportunity to reduce the tank count. Oh, and he takes like 2 more expos. He goes for Hydra/Lurk/Defiler, getting the Defilers just as fOrGG pushes out. The push is halted, and they trade back and forth. How long? Long enough for fOrGG to think there's some light at the end of the tunnel. But no, that's the oncoming Jaedong Express, powered by 6+ bases and 24 hidden Mutalisks that end the game the moment fOrGG has gone for too many Vultures and not enough Goliaths. And of course, Jaedong planned this, since he kept the remaining Mutas from his initial raid hidden, as well as the sexy Double-Spire upgrade. This was a clinic in how to pin someone in their base, gain a massive econ advantage, lure them into a tech pattern that you can easily counter with a quick tech switch, and then murder them outright before they can react. This is a shining example of how not to 'Mech against a Zerg. Or at least, not against Jaedong. Vengeance for fOrGG's betrayal. Luxury vs. Jaedong. ZvZ. I don't know why they put Zergs in front of Jaedong. Sure, Luxury's the #2 player at ZvZ, so he certainly has the best chance of any Zerg on the planet. But it's fricken Jaedong. Flash vs. Jaedong. On March 22 2009 14:42 konadora wrote: This game is the ultimate, the true Hwaseung Oz vs KTF MagicNs. That it was; and so much more. It was everything the final match for an All-Kill ought to be. It was everything fOrGG vs. Jaedong wasn't. Jaedong's balls in expanding to 9 was just incredible. The fact that he was able to keep Flash from getting to it for so long was equally incredible. Even so, Flash executed absolutely perfect SK-Terran, murdering expansion after expansion with a cluster of M&M. His decision to get the early E-Bay definitely paid off and it probably added 15 minutes to the game; if it were anyone but Jaedong, it would have won it. But it was Jaedong. And the Hydralisk tech with Jaedong's control was just too strong. He was able to harass the 9 that Flash had taken, cutting off some money for a time. He made Flash fight for every expansion he killed, and he made Flash work for those Irradiates by killing Vessels (except the ones he missed. They were lucky). This was a straight-up street fight, and Jaedong proved that he could beat Flash in the trenches, econ for econ. Jaedong, I know you're Godly, but come on, make it fair for some other players, will ya? Props go to OZ's coach, using the always handy "In Jaedong We Trust" strategy. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 23 2009 11:37 Musoeun wrote: Wait, so your criterion is recent individual league success? So right now, Luxury #1 (MSL), Bisu #2 Owait, maybe GOM doesn't count, fine, Stork #2 (OSL), fOrGG #3 (last MSL). Except that makes absolutely no sense as a power rank. None. You say I can't put Bisu #3 because he lost to a teammate in OSL semis (lol) and "didn't perform well" against KTF. And you want to put fOrGG #1? Let's see, he a) didn't make it to OSL Ro16, b) got smashed by Stork in the MSL Ro8, c) looked absolutely terrible yesterday against Jaedong. Look, individual leagues are important but for sheer "probably going to win this game" power, Bisu >>>> fantasy. It was an upset, not the expected outcome. You see, this is my problem.. You didnt read a thing what i wrote, or you wouldnt say this.. Yes, i value individual league a lot, but i dont base my criteria soloely on that, but its a HUGE factor. You are basicaly putting your words in my mouth.. I didnt say So right now, Luxury #1 (MSL), Bisu #2 Owait, maybe GOM doesn't count, fine, Stork #2 (OSL), fOrGG #3 (last MSL). . I said if jaedong wins this OSL, he should be first, luxury second, and probably fantasy #3 . If he doesnt win, or if he doesnt loose 3:0 to by.hero, i would still put him #1, because he is playing like a monster.. And i have no idea why did u put forGG #3... And why Stork #2.. You say I can't put Bisu #3 because he lost to a teammate in OSL semis (lol) and "didn't perform well" against KTF. And you want to put fOrGG #1? Let's see, he a) didn't make it to OSL Ro16, b) got smashed by Stork in the MSL Ro8, c) looked absolutely terrible yesterday against Jaedong. Wow, disaster i say.. Disaster.. I said you cant put bisu #3 because he lost 3:0, and because his play was WEAK.. If he would loose 3:2, in great epic games like jaedong vs flash here, i would say he should probably drop to second, but his games were weak with a lot of mistakes.. And yes, performance in WL does count, i mean everything counts for something right? And you want to put fOrGG #1? Let's see, he a) didn't make it to OSL Ro16, b) got smashed by Stork in the MSL Ro8, c) looked absolutely terrible yesterday against Jaedong. And WTF is this? Where did i say that? If i say "I ate a banana". Do you see this sentence as "I am gonna rob a trophical garden full of bananas, and eat them all while laughing on the ship that is sailing away" ? God damnit its sometimes hard to say something here.. Look, individual leagues are important but for sheer "probably going to win this game" power, Bisu >>>> fantasy. It was an upset, not the expected outcome. Upset or not, that fact is, he lost 3:0. That has to count for something.. Or else we can just have flash or jaedong or bisu #1 #2 #3 since their "sheer" power is >>>>>> rest.. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On March 23 2009 13:06 Kyo Yuy wrote: ...I have no idea what the hell just happened. Any way Jaedong's going to have to dominate for much longer than one month to be considered a bonjwa candidate. With the extremely high level of competition in Pro Starcraft these days, I don't expect him to stay on top forever. I actually have a feeling someone from CJ Entus will snipe him in the next match... but that's a total hunch so don't quote me on that. Well, duh. Thats pretty obvious. No-one stays on top forever ;o) But right now Jaedong is playing at levels above all "normal" progamers, and a level above S-class players like Bisu, flash and luxury. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 23 2009 13:14 EternaLEnVy wrote: Mb because Fantasy 3-0ed the guy who creamed flash 4-2 by.hero didn't even get into the PR after 2-0'ing Bisu. It's called a fluke. | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On March 23 2009 20:02 Shikyo wrote: by.hero didn't even get into the PR after 2-0'ing Bisu. It's called a fluke. It's hard to detect sarcasm on tl lately. But, wow, by.hero wins weren't flukes. He beat him handily 3 times in a row, only totm loss can be excused, but his build was stupid for this kind of map. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On March 23 2009 22:14 Magic84 wrote: It's hard to detect sarcasm on tl lately. But, wow, by.hero wins weren't flukes. This is definitely true. Some players just have a solid read on specific players and are able to beat them consistently. Could also be a partially psychological thing. Power Rank tends to consider players in context of a longer period of time than just "these last few weeks." I'm not sure if Bisu losing so much in just the past 2 weeks is enough to throw him off the top 3 when you consider his performance in the past few months. Likewise I'm not sure if by.hero's surge through the OSL is enough to propel him to the top of the Power Rank - I think that'll depend on how he fares against Jaedong this week. Any way, the Power Rank is FakeSteve's domain so it's his decision to make, not ours. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On March 23 2009 17:01 Samurai- wrote:And WTF is this? Where did i say that? If i say "I ate a banana". Do you see this sentence as "I am gonna rob a trophical garden full of bananas, and eat them all while laughing on the ship that is sailing away" ? God damnit its sometimes hard to say something here.. I'm sorry. I screwed up. I misread your post to start with and then went off on some other tangent as well, never a good combination. So let me rephrase: Bisu should IMO be at #3 because no one else combines his reputation and his record. Jaedong is the obvious #1 right now. Lux I'll accept at #2 because, on reflection, he's clearly at least the third best player out there and there is no other clear #2. Potential challengers to Bisu for the #3 spot then: fantasy (smashed Bisu in OSL semis, played well in WL Playoffs), Flash (on reputation mostly, he's lost luster lately), Leta (except... he hasn't gotten any trophies or even his team to playoffs), or Jangbi (nice OSL and MSL runs, almost carried his team - which is used to having three great players, not an ace and two sucky ones - to playoffs after a real bad start to WL). Leta and Flash imo, on consideration, just don't cut it. Leta's been beastly but that L is still a loss. Flash has been, for Flash, TERRIBLE since his bad two days when he lost to UpMagic, Best, and Leta. So that leaves Jangbi and fantasy to challenge Bisu. Jangbi made MSL finals, but then got obliterated except for one game where Lux played careful. In all seriousness, Stork would have stood a better chance. On the other hand, fantasy smashed Bisu and took two kills off of good KTF players in the WL finals match. So fantasy vs Bisu... okay, I give. fantasy's been playing better lately. And I don't underrate his vs Z either. That 15-14 record isn't really shiny, but he's taken only one bad loss, to HyuN iirc, in 29 games. Sure he botched some of the other games, but he was playing good players, And the survey says... Well, if power rank is for the last two weeks, fantasy takes #3. For the whole month, well, Bisu has a shiny all-kill to get SK to the playoffs and he hung even with Jaedong for five games, so I give him the edge in a hypothetical March power rank. See, I've thought through it and changed my mind. Fair? | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:45 Musoeun wrote: I'm sorry. I screwed up. I misread your post to start with and then went off on some other tangent as well, never a good combination. So let me rephrase: Bisu should IMO be at #3 because no one else combines his reputation and his record. Jaedong is the obvious #1 right now. Lux I'll accept at #2 because, on reflection, he's clearly at least the third best player out there and there is no other clear #2. Potential challengers to Bisu for the #3 spot then: fantasy (smashed Bisu in OSL semis, played well in WL Playoffs), Flash (on reputation mostly, he's lost luster lately), Leta (except... he hasn't gotten any trophies or even his team to playoffs), or Jangbi (nice OSL and MSL runs, almost carried his team - which is used to having three great players, not an ace and two sucky ones - to playoffs after a real bad start to WL). Leta and Flash imo, on consideration, just don't cut it. Leta's been beastly but that L is still a loss. Flash has been, for Flash, TERRIBLE since his bad two days when he lost to UpMagic, Best, and Leta. So that leaves Jangbi and fantasy to challenge Bisu. Jangbi made MSL finals, but then got obliterated except for one game where Lux played careful. In all seriousness, Stork would have stood a better chance. On the other hand, fantasy smashed Bisu and took two kills off of good KTF players in the WL finals match. So fantasy vs Bisu... okay, I give. fantasy's been playing better lately. And I don't underrate his vs Z either. That 15-14 record isn't really shiny, but he's taken only one bad loss, to HyuN iirc, in 29 games. Sure he botched some of the other games, but he was playing good players, And the survey says... Well, if power rank is for the last two weeks, fantasy takes #3. For the whole month, well, Bisu has a shiny all-kill to get SK to the playoffs and he hung even with Jaedong for five games, so I give him the edge in a hypothetical March power rank. See, I've thought through it and changed my mind. Fair? Fair. It will be a hard call for #3, i have to agree.. Too bad the finals will be next month.. That could give the final word on third place.. I guess we have to wait and see what the rankings will be  | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On March 23 2009 11:34 [X]Ken_D wrote: "Imbalance?", Jaedong *laughs* I agree, zerg is imbalanced | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Seriously? | ||
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