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Blue
Profile Joined July 2004
Norway359 Posts
March 20 2009 11:27 GMT
#801
PLZ JD beat hero and then beat fantasy to restore harmony to the world!
I must return to the time when I played with my own style, and when I determined the victory through strategies. And the strategies are a product of practicing more than anyone else. The key to success is to persevere through practice. Lim Yo-hwan
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 20 2009 11:27 GMT
#802
On March 20 2009 20:17 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 20:12 fanatacist wrote:
On March 20 2009 20:11 Baddieko wrote:
Bisu played the matchup wrongly. PVT =/= PVZ, harrass play don't work on terran as effectively. Most of this matchup is macro and defence from probe harrass. Terran knows protoss will roll over them naturally with full economy, so Terran's harrass is much more effective. Bisu going for full harrass must end the game, if not he cannot catch up.

How does harass play not work in PvT? Please explain lol.

DT, Reaver, HT harass, elevator, zeal-bomb... Are you for real?


It dont work like PvZ, even Terran loses lots of SCV they can still win if the push is not broken not to mention it can be easily defended. Bisu is left with zealot bomb/mine drag but he don't possess the best of these, so he is pressured to harrass much. Fantasy hold on and its the end.


Stork and Jangbi both played ridiculously aggressive in their MSL matches. Tons of reaver usage. It's pretty standard in PvT when you need to get an early game edge. Fantasy's anti-reaver was just awesome today, though.
Meh
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 20 2009 11:27 GMT
#803
Oh my God..............................................................
Fantasy, you better have a good reason for doing this..

Oh well, ForGG beat Flash, denying us our Flash-Jaedong finals last last MSL, I hope Fantasy does something better than to grab another silver medal.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 20 2009 11:29 GMT
#804
On March 20 2009 20:27 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Oh my God..............................................................
Fantasy, you better have a good reason for doing this..

Oh well, ForGG beat Flash, denying us our Flash-Jaedong finals last last MSL, I hope Fantasy does something better than to grab another silver medal.

Trying to win thousands of dollars seems to be a good reason to me
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 20 2009 11:29 GMT
#805
It's all of the great plan of making Hero become a royal roader. The stage is set, now all he has to do is to get past Jaedong in a ZvZ Bo5... right.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 20 2009 11:30 GMT
#806
If Fantasy gets silver it will be 2 silvers for both him and JangBi, possibly 3 for JangBi lol!
Peace~
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 11:37:45
March 20 2009 11:32 GMT
#807
Perfect play by fantasy. Great series play and nice preparation, once again he upsetted his way to the finals, reminds of Forgg's run. As a Jaedong/Hero fan Im worried for them vs fantasy rather than bisu which they are clearly favorites against unlike fantasy who brings really strong builds to series. Game 2 was pretty good, game 3 started out pretty good then went down the drain, game 1 was pretty ugh. Hoping for a good finals now .

Editerfect play other than that wraith.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
March 20 2009 11:33 GMT
#808
On March 20 2009 20:30 fanatacist wrote:
If Fantasy gets silver it will be 2 silvers for both him and JangBi, possibly 3 for JangBi lol!


This would totally be bad. At least ONE of these dudes better take a title.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 11:37:04
March 20 2009 11:36 GMT
#809
I can't believe moletrap is still doing his podcast... in his car... outside in the morning.

You'd think his battery would die already.
Moo
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 20 2009 11:36 GMT
#810
finals should be very good.
ReCharge
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Philippines505 Posts
March 20 2009 11:37 GMT
#811
Damn You Fantasy! :|
David Kim for Bonjwa!
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
March 20 2009 11:40 GMT
#812
wow bisu fail
Undeadhunter
Profile Joined January 2009
Belgium40 Posts
March 20 2009 11:40 GMT
#813
Fantasy is my new hero
Fantastic! Discorama!
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
March 20 2009 11:40 GMT
#814
On March 20 2009 20:23 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 20:16 TheTyranid wrote:
I'm calm. Apparently the others aren't.

well you started the hole thing man, apparently most of the bisu fans saw the fact that fantasy played better and fully deserved the win, but you brought out the "omfg bisu gtfo, you are not bonjwa etc etc" stuff. Trust me, I'm one of the most diehard bisu fans around, but I dont feel bad about that one at all.

Hey, don't take it the wrong way. I personally don't think Bisu played bad, too many things just went wrong for him and it looked like he played bad. The risky strat in game didn't pay off. In game 2 he either got unlucky with scouting, or did not think of a possibility of a hidden base from a Terran. His reaver on the nat was magnificent. Game three Fantasy showed great reaver harass defense and with a late nat and 2 base arbiter, Bisu just didn't have teh army to stay in the game. Fantasy just played perfectly.
About him being a bonjwa and not belonging in the OSL. Bonjwa means "undisputed best". Noone disputed the bonjwa status of the first four. Since there is a big dispute over Bisu's bonjwa status, that by definition rules him out. Also no player has been as close in skill to the first four as Flash and JD are to Bisu now.
About him not belonging. Well, he did get eliminated in the ro32. It's only fair that he is knocked out now. Personally I think Firefist should have taken the spot as he was the one facing Backho and all the other players not eliminated by the person with an injury shouldn't get a second chance. Look man, protoss won three starleagues last season. The swarm really needs to deliver this season and I'm cheering for whoever will be the easiest opponent for JD/hero, which is Fantasy.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
March 20 2009 11:45 GMT
#815
Fantasy didn't slip up
well thats it for bisu.... i dont think he'll be on top anymore
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ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
March 20 2009 11:47 GMT
#816
blah, the only player left in the semis that I somewhat liked got stomped :\
this OSL just started to much less interesting...
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 20 2009 11:47 GMT
#817
Game 1 Bisu failed with his BO, but credit goes to Fantasy for scanning it. Game 2 Bisu failed at scouting, but credit goes to Fantasy for having the game sense to push Bisu into defensive mode with his vulture harrass, and get Bisu off his normal scouting mindset.

Game 3 Bisu's harrass was excellent. He wreaked havoc in Fantasy's base and absolute chaos ensued. But his decision to go for risky 2 base arbiter tech was ridiculous. For one thing he wasn't *that* far ahead that he could recover from such an all-inish tactic. And second there was no reason for him to believe that he couldn't play standard against Fantasy. Had he taken his 2nd expo and macroed up, I don't see a way Fantasy could have stopped him. It's not like his mechanics were off. He fended off Fantasy's initial push almost perfectly. I just don't know what he was thinking.
Moo
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 20 2009 11:48 GMT
#818
On March 20 2009 20:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 20:27 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Oh my God..............................................................
Fantasy, you better have a good reason for doing this..

Oh well, ForGG beat Flash, denying us our Flash-Jaedong finals last last MSL, I hope Fantasy does something better than to grab another silver medal.

Trying to win thousands of dollars seems to be a good reason to me

Hmm yeah, that wouldn't be a bad reason. But yeah, these upsets often produce the best finals....or the next big players.

and yeah, any recommended games?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
March 20 2009 11:51 GMT
#819
i am very excited by these results, and i can't wait to watch the vods. though i really am not a fan of fantasy either, but it's good to see a terran advancing.
Stork's biggest fan
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
March 20 2009 11:54 GMT
#820
Basically Fantasy outplayed Bisu, who didn't play at his best imo while Fantasy played great. But other than that, I also think Fantasy's play is a nice counter to Bisu's aggressive harrass. Flash himself said he admired Fantasy's ability to create chaos (as seen in first match) thus handling very well people who try to create it as well.
I think Bisu would've had a better chance aiming for a more standard macro-oriented game.
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