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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Tadzio/LSMSL/mslbanner14.jpg) Saturday 28th February 2009 1830 KST, MBCgame    Leta vs  LuxuryTwo former teammates battling it out, this MSL is Leta's only chance of securing a title this season to back up his team league performances, while Luxury is on a quest in winning both the OSL and MSL, which, as Zerg, only Savior has achieved. Map SetNeo HarmonyDestinationByzantium 2CarthageNeo HarmonyResults+ Show Spoiler +Leta > Luxury
Leta < Luxury
Leta > Luxury
Leta < Luxury
Leta < Luxury
Luxury advances to the semi-finals to play ZerO, which means a Zerg is confirmed in the finals. Daum Sports, Daum Pot Player, and Chinese sites.
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Lets go Lux!
I predict 3-1 for Lux, but 3-0 wouldn't hurt either.
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I wish for 5 game of bio TvZ epicness. Doesn't really matter who wins as long as there is much blood and gore!
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Luxury 3-2 Leta
Hope there will be great battle!
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Great games plz.
And leta phaiting
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Lux fore sure.Aggresive play style. I like it
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Hoping for an epic TvZ that will last all 5 games. Go whoever! 
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Luxury is my favorite to win. I generally pick Terran in almost any match-up, but Luxury is one of my favorite Zergs, so I have to root for him.
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Leta or Lux.....Leta in 4..
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anyone know what the vlc link is gonna be for this? :D
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oh darn, I was 1 hour early...6:30 not 5:30.XD
oh I fail at timezones.....
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what is with lb, a lot of games are being missed, also some WL ...
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Ask aers or deathgod9... Daum Sports work fine though. Just have to keep refreshing.
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Has Savior taken both OSL and MSL at once or the opening means that he has both an OSL and MSLs golds , because Jaedong too has an OSL and MSL gold ...
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I think Leta will win this...
Luxury imo is consistet too. Also Lux was on OGN team so he could know Lux playstyle...
o well gl hf
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oh damn son lets do this!
i actually do not know who to cheer for though -_-
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5 more minutes....*tension*
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I really really like leta and his play, but I wanna support zerg sigh =/
o well, leta fighting!
Just hope for some good games
+ Show Spoiler +last night leta vs hero has me a little worried though
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daum sports just isn't friendly to me anymore and YY... speaks chinese :S
Oh how I would pay for a good quality stream...
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On February 28 2009 18:25 raga4ka wrote:
Has Savior taken both OSL and MSL at once or the opening means that he has both an OSL and MSLs golds , because Jaedong too has an OSL and MSL gold ...
It's the OPs mistake I believe. No Zerg has ever taken both starleagues in the same season
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refreshing till I get a good stream...no vlc yet anyone?
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what does it mean when the daum palyer says "no video?"""
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On February 28 2009 18:32 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what does it mean when the daum palyer says "no video?"""
that there is "no video to show" ?
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Hoping for 5 games. 
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On February 28 2009 18:33 Samurai- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:32 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what does it mean when the daum palyer says "no video?""" that there is "no video to show" ?
yeah, thats all it says, a black screen. do i have to install any plugin?
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hmm, for some reason the play button doesn't play the stream even when pressed repeatedly.
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lux better win
it would make me so happy to see leta eliminated from both leagues in 2 days
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On February 28 2009 18:34 [Fin]Vittu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:33 Samurai- wrote:On February 28 2009 18:32 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what does it mean when the daum palyer says "no video?""" that there is "no video to show" ? yeah, thats all it says, a black screen. do i have to install any plugin?
no you don't have to..
I had the video running by the video lagged so I refreshed, I think it died or something.
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CA10828 Posts
CHANCE PARK > MIRACLE BOY
3-1 GOGOGO
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United States12607 Posts
Daum Sports is up and running. I see some graphics previewing Leta and Lux.
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lolol "Chance Park" and "Miracle Boy"
I don't think the nicknames invented by MBC have ever been good lol its so ridiculous.
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Perfect stream with the first try. ^_^
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United States12607 Posts
"Chance Park" just insinuates Luxury wins by luck alone...horrible nick, lol.
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On February 28 2009 18:38 JWD wrote:
"Chance Park" just insinuates Luxury wins by luck alone...horrible nick, lol.
Park Chan Soo
Park Chan Ce
Park Chance -> Chance Park
~~
I agree it does suck though.
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On February 28 2009 18:29 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:25 raga4ka wrote:
Has Savior taken both OSL and MSL at once or the opening means that he has both an OSL and MSLs golds , because Jaedong too has an OSL and MSL gold ... It's the OPs mistake I believe. No Zerg has ever taken both starleagues in the same season
aint it nal_ra only
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lux took down flash in his prime
there's no way he's losing this
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darn it..do we really have to refresh and refresh until we get a good one?
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Lux has over triple Leta's fans on Daum.
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On February 28 2009 18:39 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
darn it..do we really have to refresh and refresh until we get a good one?
Thats what I always do, takes like 5~ tries for me usually.
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Would be boring if Luxury win, and Leta is Terran so go go Rose Boy!
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Perfect stream first try ^^;
Miracle boy vs Chance park! (Koreans have really poor grasp of English =/)
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does anyone have a vlc link? D:
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CA10828 Posts
amazingly enough daum sports worked for me on the first try, unlike savior vs zero which took me at least 20 times.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
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On February 28 2009 18:39 konadora wrote:
Perfect stream first try ^^;
Miracle boy vs Chance park! (Koreans have really poor grasp of English =/)
it's just a play on 찬수 => 찬스 => chance
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United States12607 Posts
I have to say, this MSL's intro leaves a bit to be desired. Seems like lately the OSL has had consistently superior intros (I really like the Batoo OSL's, and of course EVER 07 was super bomb).
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 18:41 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:39 konadora wrote:
Perfect stream first try ^^;
Miracle boy vs Chance park! (Koreans have really poor grasp of English =/) it's just a play on 찬수 => 찬스 => chance
It's just that Chance park sounds really really *ahem* retarded.
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On February 28 2009 18:41 JWD wrote:
I have to say, this MSL's intro leaves a bit to be desired. Seems like lately the OSL has had consistently superior intros (I really like the Batoo OSL's, and of course EVER 07 was super bomb).
imho. the full Lost Saga opening is pretty badass, the shorter one with Linkin Park sucks ass though.
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On February 28 2009 18:41 JWD wrote:
I have to say, this MSL's intro leaves a bit to be desired. Seems like lately the OSL has had consistently superior intros (I really like the Batoo OSL's, and of course EVER 07 was super bomb).
ever07 had the most amazing intro ever
bacchus was nice then ever08 just sucked
incruit was going strong then AMAZING with boxer crossing his legs, then sucked at the end
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provide us at least with interesting commentators comments translations pls 
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Leta is 2-0 so far versus Luxury, both games on Destination.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 18:43 johanes wrote:provide us at least with interesting commentators comments translations pls
Alright, that much I'll do.
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oh no hope leta loses now.
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I'll lr
cross positions, lux scouts for cheese in middle into drone scout
leta scv walls and lux can't get in
12 hatch vs 1rax
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oh wow, 48 vs 52% in the fanvotes. cool
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CA10828 Posts
haha 52:48 in favor for leta
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go luxurious. leta... overrated.
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Interesting, MBC's poll says 52-48 for Leta but the Daum Sports one Luxury is on the lead (by a lot).
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leta going for 2 port wraiths beacuse he knows lux is the better player.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Commentators saying about how people were asked whether they'll use bionic or mechanic on Neo Harmony. Majority said bionic.
Leta : Luxury
52%:48% (Audience poll)
Leta continuing to get gas... getting 2 starport o_O.
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CA10828 Posts
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Leta going 2port wraiths
He's using his factory and a depot to trap an scv so he can ctrl group it with it to stack them
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CA10828 Posts
commentators saying that leta beat zero with this same strategy
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TBH. I think leta would have a better chance against jaedong then luxury.
Luxury is so fucking sick zvt .... I mean come on.
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well feels like GG Lux has nothing to defend this.
wrong dident see the den
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darn it, I can't get a good stream
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On February 28 2009 18:45 Vivi57 wrote:
leta going for 2 port wraiths beacuse he knows lux is the better player.
Haha that's a funny joke.
Leta is no scrub, this could be my residual dislike for luxury showing but there is no real cheese factor to 2 port wraiths, easy to defend against if lux doesn't suck it up.
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lux mistakenly sets a sunken, but his skill will still let him win
he successfully scouts that there is no expo
too bad there's wraiths coming.
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On February 28 2009 18:45 Vivi57 wrote:
leta going for 2 port wraiths beacuse he knows lux is the better player.
Fucking around with wraiths is something he has been doing for quite a while now, Luxury should be appropriately prepared for it.
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United States12607 Posts
Leta is really in love with wraiths TvZ...maybe this is mind games, he used wraiths in both of his wins against Lux on Desti.
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luxury uses his superior micro to only lose two drones to wraiths before the first hydra pops
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Commentators saying that this build was used a few times before (vs Zero), so Luxury should know how to counter this. Leta's getting cloak research btw.
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lux completes the brilliant move many lesser zergs ignore: spores
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On February 28 2009 18:47 JWD wrote:
Leta is really in love with wraiths TvZ...maybe this is mind games, he used wraiths in both of his wins against Lux on Desti.
If luxury loses the series , because of some stupid wraiths i will be pissed ...
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ugh, fucking daum slideshow
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meh, the only guy that I saw with godly wriaths was lomo...^^
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just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now.
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leta successfully runs his wraiths into two of lux's magic scourges
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scourge out for lux, leta snipes 2 but 1 lands on his wraiths
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United States2528 Posts
Does Daum Sports and Daum Pot Player use the same stream? Is the only difference is that one is in a browser and the other is in a video player?
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
If you noticed the ramp at Leta, an scv is moving around. He's using that to micro the wraiths, just like how you group mutalisks with 1 overlord.
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He should have lurker aspect done soon... within the minute
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On February 28 2009 18:48 benjammin wrote:
ugh, fucking daum slideshow
refresh till the buffer is very fast, that's when you know the stream is good
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On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now.
Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2009 18:49 Blind wrote:
Does Daum Sports and Daum Pot Player use the same stream? Is the only difference is that one is in a browser and the other is in a video player?
the daum sports stream is much lower quality
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luxury successfully scouts leta's expo so knows exactly what's going on
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United States12607 Posts
Man, getting a good Daum Sports stream is rough tonight  Mine's SO close to being perfect, but that still means lag every 5 seconds. Now the question: try reloading another 20x, or settle?
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On February 28 2009 18:49 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now. Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge.
Don't be an asshole.
Those situations unless you are a zerg or terran can be hard to understand for casual gamers.
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On February 28 2009 18:49 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now. Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge.
2base zerg vs 2base terran, isn't the terran ahead?
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Reload 20x, it's worth it later on. Pays off
Overlord speed done, massing hydras.
Leta has expo running, builds a bunker. Transiting to bionic. So many wraiths o.O
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magic scourge scout sees leta's full control group of wraiths
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On February 28 2009 18:50 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:49 Puosu wrote:On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now. Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge. 2base zerg vs 2base terran, isn't the terran ahead?
no
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lurkers morphing for luxury
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On February 28 2009 18:50 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:49 Puosu wrote:On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now. Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge. Don't be an asshole. Those situations unless you are a zerg or terran can be hard to understand for casual gamers.
asshole?
I'm serious, your sarcasm detectors are set too high.
i'm like D- minus level myself so I have no idea whats going on but the standard stuff.
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darn it darn it darn it,,,,,,does anyone have a vlc or something? My stream if buffering like it's the coolest thing it the world.
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United States12607 Posts
Leta is going to have a really tough time holding all of these lurkers.
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Damnit, yaoyuan isn't working and daum is hopeless as always. Can't watch. T_T
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Leta will win the first game..
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On February 28 2009 18:52 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:50 AttackZerg wrote:On February 28 2009 18:49 Puosu wrote:On February 28 2009 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
just incase you guys can't tell. Luxury has a pretty large lead now. Woah interesting, gah I can't believe how much I'm missing because of lack of knowledge. Don't be an asshole. Those situations unless you are a zerg or terran can be hard to understand for casual gamers. asshole? I'm serious, your sarcasm detectors are set too high.
I didn't say you were one. I said don't be.
Yes this is tl , I refuse to appear romanian at any time.
sorry!
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lol who is that white guy?
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
One shot one drone kill. Too many wraiths. One lurker dies to wraith micro.
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wriaths delaying the zerg push!
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Can't 10 wraiths kill 2 overlords nearly instantly? Why doesn't he snipe them...
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letas has an big advantage
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i'll just wait for the vods it seems
too much buffering
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Yeah, as others have said, the streams just don't wanna work. Relays tend to work way better for me.
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why the fuck didnt Leta take those 2 overlords out even before they reached his base? yes it would have cost him wraiths but it'd EASILY be worth it to stall for macro
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maphack.
leta runs his wraiths directly to lux's newly started expo
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On February 28 2009 18:53 amorpheus wrote:
i'll just wait for the vods it seems
too much buffering
same here..
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On February 28 2009 18:53 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
letas has an big advantage
ahah wtf?
not at any point since he went wraith lol
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Luxury pushes Leta's defense at his expo, kills m&m and tanks, but loses all hydras in process. Leta's bunker helped a lot. Now Leta's m&m army is complete. Siege tanks out too.
Oh, Luxury's army is +2 armor. No wonder they don't die easily to m&m.
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finally he puts his t anks at the right position...
>.<
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lux got a ton of scvs in that attack
and he has a 3rd up now
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On February 28 2009 18:54 konadora wrote:
Luxury pushes Leta's defense at his expo, kills m&m and tanks, but loses all hydras in process. Leta's bunker helped a lot. Now Leta's m&m army is complete. Siege tanks out too.
Oh, Luxury's army is +2 armor. No wonder they don't die easily to m&m.
+2?!?! Already??
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Leta pushing with 5 tanks and m&m. Just a bit.
Luxury expanding at 1oclock expo.
Vessel out for Leta.
Leta now pushing towards center.
On February 28 2009 18:55 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:54 konadora wrote:
Luxury pushes Leta's defense at his expo, kills m&m and tanks, but loses all hydras in process. Leta's bunker helped a lot. Now Leta's m&m army is complete. Siege tanks out too.
Oh, Luxury's army is +2 armor. No wonder they don't die easily to m&m. +2?!?! Already??
That's what the commentators said.
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Letas main army looks awfully small compared to what Luxury has.
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Oh cool, finally got Daum to work.
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no one has a vlc link?? T_T mms link....o:
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Leta has MANY tanks..
will come down to micro now
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yes .... leta could win if lux flanks badly ... thats alot of tanks ... lings would be great great great now!
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On February 28 2009 18:54 AttackZerg wrote:ahah wtf? not at any point since he went wraith lol
Leta DID have an advantage and would probably have rode it to victory if he had stopped the first timing attack. as in taking those two overlords out midmap and preying on those lurkers.
meh, so disappointed he opted for the safe/cowardly option. cost him big.
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Lux going hive. Leta's push is leapfrogging its' way down the map
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United States12607 Posts
Well, I've given up on getting Daum Sports to work. I'll just catch the VODs tomorrow - this game looks too exciting to spoil with lag.
GLHF viewers! May the best gamer win!
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Awww man why do all the streams suck
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On February 28 2009 18:57 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:54 AttackZerg wrote:On February 28 2009 18:53 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
letas has an big advantage ahah wtf? not at any point since he went wraith lol Leta DID have an advantage and would probably have rode it to victory if he had stopped the first timing attack. as in taking those two overlords out midmap and preying on those lurkers. meh, so disappointed he opted for the safe/cowardly option. cost him big.
no
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On February 28 2009 18:57 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 18:54 AttackZerg wrote:On February 28 2009 18:53 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
letas has an big advantage ahah wtf? not at any point since he went wraith lol Leta DID have an advantage and would probably have rode it to victory if he had stopped the first timing attack. as in taking those two overlords out midmap and preying on those lurkers. meh, so disappointed he opted for the safe/cowardly option. cost him big.
I'd respect AttackZergs opinion quite heavily, he is like what, B+?
and yes i'm an asslicker if you were wondering
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wow that was a fun battle to watch.
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Luxurys macro & micro is strong
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o.O
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HUGE hydralurk pincer move eventually takes out more or less the entire push, but at a high cost. Leta microed and retreated well and took out a LOT of units while retreating to the high ground. Well played by both. Lux now has additional time to get hive tech running
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Leta camping outside Luxury's main.
Luxury, feeling the pressure, holds off until getting enough lurkers. Pushes with mass hydras and lurkers, totally annihilated Leta's army, all m&m and tanks gone.
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Leta putting up a cc at 9, luxury scouts it with an overlord.
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Lux fighting MnM with pure hydras atm, he's prolly stalling for swarm
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luxury moved in with a ton of hydras, lurkers against letas comparatively small marine/medic/ tank/ vessel force
Leta had superior placement and the ramp but Luxury had so much crap shoved at Leta
but at the end there were 3 lurkers left after the battle
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wow iras comming up huge!
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But Letas advantage was big enough
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wtf NO
leta catches 4 morphing lurks
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You guys are definitely underestimating Leta here and the damage he's apparently taken. That big battle in the middle killed a great deal of luxury's Lurkers and he hasn't had the third gas for very long.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Luxury morphs lurkers on the center ramp, gets caught by Leta. Immediately surrounds, and kills all hydras and lings that try to save them, and cleans up the lurkers the moment they morph completely.
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wow he pushed to hard with hydra/lurker .. he lost!
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Leta comes back to the high ground above Lux's base with a big SK army. Lux has to fall back behind sunkens. Leta moving to 2 o clock expo. Takes it out
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Leta taking down luxury's 3rd at 3, lux looks to counter at 9. Leta sending a dropship to bottom left main.
Leta stops the counterattack at 9 losing only 1 tank and forces a cancel at bottom right.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
1oclock expo is gone, Leta destroys it.
Leta spots 7oclock expo at main.
Luxury tries to shut down 8oclock expo of Leta's, but Leta has tanks and bunkers out. Easily defended.
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omg letas multitasking is awesome O_O
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Leta dropping 7 o clock fresh expo while holding off a ling raid with bunker and a few rines.
Lux is deep in it right now.
Leta dmatrixes 4 marines and goes in for a bulldog nat break.
just drives that drillhead right through and Lux GGs.
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Luxury GG"s after Leta spams defensive matrix and breaks his nat.
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On February 28 2009 19:00 Jayme wrote:
You guys are definitely underestimating Leta here and the damage he's apparently taken. That big battle in the middle killed a great deal of luxury's Lurkers and he hasn't had the third gas for very long.
his build put him way behind in macro in midgame. Luxury overextend.
Leta played that great.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Leta massing d-matrix on marines, then pushes into Luxury's main expo.
Luxury does one futile attempt at 8oclock expo, then GGs.
Guess I ended up LRing. =/
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Leta takes out expansions like tissue paper for his butt
he moves into the natural (i think) and Luxury ggs
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gg, i knew these games will be good
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wow
didnt know letas macro was so strong
maybe i mix him up with Casy .. kinda XD
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Leta played beautifully, great game.
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Luxury has pretty bad nerves so I think there will be a 3-0 for Leta now unless Luxury does a cheese build
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On February 28 2009 19:02 konadora wrote:
Leta massing d-matrix on marines, then pushes into Luxury's main expo.
Luxury does one futile attempt at 8oclock expo, then GGs.
Guess I ended up LRing. =/
you wanna take the LR or shall I keep going?
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Leta has some pretty slick Bio play, maybe the loss of Flash won't be so terrible as it was before. I was worried that Leta had terrible Bio, he seems to have told everyone otherwise.
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Wow, Luxury sure played terribly.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:03 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:02 konadora wrote:
Leta massing d-matrix on marines, then pushes into Luxury's main expo.
Luxury does one futile attempt at 8oclock expo, then GGs.
Guess I ended up LRing. =/ you wanna take the LR or shall I keep going?
I'm sure both of us LRing is fine.
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On February 28 2009 19:04 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, Luxury sure played terribly.
Did you miss the economy damage he took from the wraiths? He was forced into hydras because he didn't know what leta was doing, just that he has a lot of wraiths.
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On February 28 2009 19:04 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, Luxury sure played terribly.
I give Lux the benefit of the doubt considering Leta's build wasn't exactly standard.
He probably didn't know how to react.
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heh, i like how there are refrigerator commercials during starcraft games
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I think after the wraith harass, Luxury was so far behind that he felt his only chance would be to go for a somewhat all-in attack with all his hydras and lurkers. That attack at Leta's nat failed horribly though. Add that with Leta scouting Lux's 3rd as it was building and that's what probably won him the game.
Not sure about the all-in part though I don't play ZvT
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I don't think luxury played badly.
Normally if you defend even decently against 2 port -> fe and get your hydra/lurker ball rolling then you are so far ahead you can just rape.
If he didn't attack, but took his third/hive and use hydra/lurker vs map control until defilers, he could have gotten an earlier then normal forth and still had his sick carpace grades.
Oh well.
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On February 28 2009 19:06 OSWater wrote:I give Lux the benefit of the doubt considering Leta's build wasn't exactly standard. He probably didn't know how to react.
That would be a huge mistake not to prepare for wraith opening if the opponent is someone who has been doing it regularly for such a long time.
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Any other streams besides yy and daum sports?
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On February 28 2009 19:05 CDRdude wrote:Did you miss the economy damage he took from the wraiths? He was forced into hydras because he didn't know what leta was doing, just that he has a lot of wraiths.
3rax mnm is the standard after a 2 port wraith. Those scourge made no sense to me. He made the hydra den but got no hydras. He tried to break Leta instead of concentrating on his economy, and he didn't have enough overlords with him during the break. He also tried it again instead of powering drones. Etc.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Lol I love MSL desk.
"Following the great Terran, Boxer..."
"Bunker, Bunker, BUNKER!"
Haha stork complaining about how he lost in the qualifiers to 5-pool.
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god watching free lose still makes me sad ;_;
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
LOL Luxury looks like he died in the chair.
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luxury looks as if he lost already
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2 hatch lurker into muta, pull of Hero
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4 pool time
fuck with Letas mind and regain your confidence!!
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Game starting, map is Destination.
Luxury at 6
Leta at 12
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Luxury bottom in yellow, Leta top in red
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On February 28 2009 19:14 Puosu wrote:
4 pool time
fuck with Letas mind and regain your confidence!!
LOL
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konadora
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Lol Luxury opting for 5-pool.
Look at what you all did.
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On February 28 2009 19:14 Puosu wrote:
4 pool time
fuck with Letas mind and regain your confidence!!
YEAH
well 5 pool, its nearly the same thing.
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konadora
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Luxury 5 pool + going for drone scout. Lawl.
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Isn't 5 pool like terrible against Terran because of how strong SCV's are? Pretty gutsy.
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lol this will be over quickly. leta is not going to defend this (is today's ginprediction)
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Zerglings going to Leta's main already.
Commentators saying there was no 5pool in Destination before.
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HAHAHHAHAHA Leta depending on Vulture immunity to zerglings to bring him to victory.
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ill seriously ROFL if Leta pulls this one out. FLOAT THAT BARRACKS AWAY BITCH :D
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THAT'S RIGHT FUCK YOU LETA, GET 5 POOLED FOR CHEESING FLASH!
Luxury avenges Flash!
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leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg
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HAHAHHA awesome micro game. gg
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Loses 2 lings, kills a marine. SCVs not mining at all rofl.
4 drones destroyed SCV in Luxury's base that was trying to kill a drone.
Marine gets raped again.
Factory on fire.
VULTURE OUT RIGHT BEFORE HP HIT ZERO.
LIFTS FACTORY.
Luxury defends ramp with lings, builds a sunken.
VULTURE DESTROYED BY ZERLGING
LETA GGS LOL
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Osaka27154 Posts
What a homo. -_- BUNKER PELASE LETA
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meh, leta messes up the vulture dance at the ramp and gets the vulture taken out.
GG
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ahhaa how Leta is smiling i like this guy ;0
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Lol Leta is smiling, what a champ. I like this guy
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5pool = insta won series?
hope leta crashes
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What's people clapping for? Leta really need to 3-1 this n00b.
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Leta likes the taste of his own medicine haha
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On February 28 2009 19:19 Manifesto7 wrote:
What a homo. -_- BUNKER PELASE LETA
:O how very politically incorrent of you good sir ^^
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konadora
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Haha Leta's smiling, must have felt so funny, wierd and nostalgic about Luxury.
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LOL WOW 5pool what the hell was that Lux
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lol leta laughing after loss :D
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Leta
Bunker man... That or build your factory closer to your CC.
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On February 28 2009 19:19 SaveYourSavior wrote:
leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg
I think the commentators were talking about the vulture maybe killing the sunken if many scvs repair it, at least it sounded like that to someone who knows no korean!
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Finally a zerg does a fast pool. They should do it more often with all the proxy barracks and mech.
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Man, I thought Leta should have just defended his base; Luxury's economy was completely screwed over.
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completely deserved
atleast flash started a bunker when he scouted it, leta just played like an idiot
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all leta needed was a bunker instead of factory
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Germany2762 Posts
i bit cocky by leta
but hey, that is what the crowd wants too see ^^
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Destination good choice by Lux.
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On February 2
8 2009 19:20 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:19 SaveYourSavior wrote:
leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg I think the commentators were talking about the vulture maybe killing the sunken if many scvs repair it, at least it sounded like that to someone who knows no korean!
Haha I don't understand Korean but I'm going to have to say not a chance in hell to that one (meaning there's no way the commentators said that).
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Lux 5 pools more than any other Zerg that I've seen. And I think Yarnc is second.
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On February 28 2009 19:19 Manifesto7 wrote:
What a homo. -_- BUNKER PELASE LETA
Myhaha revenge for the wraiths :D
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On February 28 2009 19:20 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:19 SaveYourSavior wrote:
leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg I think the commentators were talking about the vulture maybe killing the sunken if many scvs repair it, at least it sounded like that to someone who knows no korean!
haha
so many things wrong with this
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On February 28 2009 19:21 Jaksiel wrote:
Lux 5 pools more than any other Zerg that I've seen. And I think Yarnc is second.
you missed jd 5 pooling twice in one night then
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It'd be awesome if they kept cheesing each other back and forth all series
I'll just edit myself right away there, since 2factwraith isnt a cheese at all, its just a brilliant, mobile harass strategy.
still though, let's say they kept doing unorthodox plays all series
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 19:20 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:19 SaveYourSavior wrote:
leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg I think the commentators were talking about the vulture maybe killing the sunken if many scvs repair it, at least it sounded like that to someone who knows no korean!
Nah, what commentators were saying:
Vulture is out! Now we don't know what might happen, since Luxury is so poor.
*screen changes to ramp*
Luxury has lings, it's going to be hard!
And he is building a sunken!
Luxury now just needs to buy time with the lings, and allow the sunken to complete!
AAAH THE VULTURE!!
OO SCVS!
Oh, they're for vision and more damage.
Repair the vulture?
Oooh they died!
SUNKEN IS COMPLETE!
*vulture dies*
NOOOOO
GEEGEEEEEE
On February 28 2009 19:22 GinNtoniC wrote:
It'd be awesome if they kept cheesing each other back and forth all series
Lol Boxer vs Yellow?
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On February 28 2009 19:20 Vivi57 wrote:
completely deserved
atleast flash started a bunker when he scouted it, leta just played like an idiot
Rax was too far away. Had he made a bunker he would have almost no chance of reaching it with the marines. Stalling until vult came out was his only chance but Lux delayed it well. Leta should probably have built the fac closer to his CC.
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On February 28 2009 19:21 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:21 Jaksiel wrote:
Lux 5 pools more than any other Zerg that I've seen. And I think Yarnc is second. you missed jd 5 pooling twice in one night then
No, I saw that, but the twins I've seen do it much more often.
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holy crap I love leta, freaking smiling after that loss, crazy
freaking total complete balls of steel, bunker? na, way too pussy for leta, more like factory
edit: ok as someone said rax was too far away for bunker to be useful, but still, very entertaining
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On February 28 2009 19:21 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 2
8 2009 19:20 Puosu wrote:On February 28 2009 19:19 SaveYourSavior wrote:
leta has 0 chance of winning
he lifts all buildings and gets out a vulture, he sneaks out
the sunken makes it impossible for the vulture to do anything
leta gg I think the commentators were talking about the vulture maybe killing the sunken if many scvs repair it, at least it sounded like that to someone who knows no korean! Haha I don't understand Korean but I'm going to have to say not a chance in hell to that one (meaning there's no way the commentators said that).
Yeah I guess its a bit stupid idea, just sounded like that when the guy said the SCV, Vulture, Sunken and Repair nearly at the same time, but i guess he just said something about the vulture needing repair in general.
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i love how leta just sat there giggleing after the game
this is gonna be closer than i thought considering they know each other so well being former team mates
come on chansoo bring a gold home for ktf
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I don't understand.
Destination is so fucking hard zvt. And easy TvZ. Why the fuck would you not abuse your wall-in potential if your not going for an early rax. This isn't TvT moron. And all for what .... 3-4 seconds earlier float rax scout time?
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On February 28 2009 19:22 Scaramanga wrote:
i love how leta just sat there giggleing after the game
this is gonna be closer than i thought considering they know each other so well being former team mates
come on chansoo bring a gold home for ktf
Leta and Luxury had very different reactions to losing, althought it could be just because the games were very different as well, I mean, I can't remember seeing anyone being serious after losing to 4/5 pool in a while. 
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On February 28 2009 19:20 jhNz wrote:i bit cocky by leta but hey, that is what the crowd wants too see ^^
yeah combined with him smiling in the end I really think this cockiness will cost him the game. Same with his loss in tiebreakers yesterday, after losing to Fantasy he also smiled in that cocky way like he wanted to say "I could have easily won that if I wanted to" and proceeded to get knocked out by hero.
If he thinks he could have won he damn well better do everything he can to win cus things like dropping a game at such stages of a tournament lash back at you very fast...
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Oh come ON are they going to run another complete set of commercials again?
Sigh, I know the players need to reload mentally and prepare for the next game, but this is too much :S
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Someone needs to explain to me why the hell Savior 12 hatched there... I mean really.
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 19:23 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:22 Scaramanga wrote:
i love how leta just sat there giggleing after the game
this is gonna be closer than i thought considering they know each other so well being former team mates
come on chansoo bring a gold home for ktf Leta and Luxury had very different reactions to losing, althought it could be just because the games were very different as well, I mean, I can't remember seeing anyone being serious after losing to 4/5 pool in a while.
That's becuase.. hmm hard to translate from Korean... they felt it was like 'lol wad it's 5pool'
Korean it's 어이없다...
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On February 28 2009 19:24 GinNtoniC wrote:
Oh come ON are they going to run another complete set of commercials again?
Sigh, I know the players need to reload mentally and prepare for the next game, but this is too much :S
How do you think they pay for the msl ..... telemarketing?
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Facerub rewind to all savior fans :S
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The balls are strong with luxury..
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Number of fans on Daum: Luxury 11785, Leta 1368. That seems strange.
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On February 28 2009 19:26 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:24 GinNtoniC wrote:
Oh come ON are they going to run another complete set of commercials again?
Sigh, I know the players need to reload mentally and prepare for the next game, but this is too much :S How do you think they pay for the msl ..... telemarketing?
that's rich man. of course I know they need commercials to sponsor it.
I suppose the main sponsors they have (hi Lost Saga) isn't generating enough money, because (at least to me) it feels like they're running more and more commercials every season.
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Lol Savior got destroyed so hardcore, ZerO's mutalisks where soo much better it's not even comparable.
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On February 28 2009 19:22 Jaksiel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:21 Vivi57 wrote:On February 28 2009 19:21 Jaksiel wrote:
Lux 5 pools more than any other Zerg that I've seen. And I think Yarnc is second. you missed jd 5 pooling twice in one night then No, I saw that, but the twins I've seen do it much more often.
I've seen jaedong 5 pool 4 times iirc. twice in that night against woongjin, once against Hwasin in Arena MSL, once against Stork in WCG Korea finals
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:26 Jaksiel wrote:
Number of fans on Daum: Luxury 11785, Leta 1368. That seems strange.
It was 1401:463 in the beginning. It's not that strange
On February 28 2009 19:27 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:22 Jaksiel wrote:On February 28 2009 19:21 Vivi57 wrote:On February 28 2009 19:21 Jaksiel wrote:
Lux 5 pools more than any other Zerg that I've seen. And I think Yarnc is second. you missed jd 5 pooling twice in one night then No, I saw that, but the twins I've seen do it much more often. I've seen jaedong 5 pool 4 times iirc. twice in that night against woongjin, once against Hwasin in Arena MSL, once against Stork in WCG Korea finals
Lol the one against Stork was so funny. Stork himself laughed rofl.
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On February 28 2009 19:26 GinNtoniC wrote:
Facerub rewind to all savior fans :S
and not only to Savior fans, but also to Nada fans who wanted to see Nada wipe the floor with Savior in the finals.
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Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games
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Worst top 5 ever, I'm pretty sure.
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Now 4/5 pool again. Nobody expects it 2 games in a row :D
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CA10828 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:24 GinNtoniC wrote:
Oh come ON are they going to run another complete set of commercials again?
Sigh, I know the players need to reload mentally and prepare for the next game, but this is too much :S
are you just annoyed at the commercials or are you being serious?
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:28 Shikyo wrote:
Worst top 5 ever, I'm pretty sure.
It's all ZvZ, and it's Savior losing. Duh!
Btw, Leta is 6-1 in TvZ for MSL now.
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On February 28 2009 19:25 Jayme wrote:
Someone needs to explain to me why the hell Savior 12 hatched there... I mean really.
I remember Ra mentioning in the beginning of that game, 12 hatch is the most popular ZvZ build among Z progamers on Neo Harmony, closely followed by 12 pool. He actually surveyed like 50 pro zergs before that series.
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On February 28 2009 19:29 konadora wrote:It's all ZvZ, and it's Savior losing. Duh!
And it's all of the same set and the same game is twice in it...
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CA10828 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:28 GinNtoniC wrote:
Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games
not everyone watches every single game. it's an easy way to show casual viewers highlights from previous games.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
MBC have like 100 hours of commercial between games
OGN is so much better
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On February 28 2009 19:28 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:24 GinNtoniC wrote:
Oh come ON are they going to run another complete set of commercials again?
Sigh, I know the players need to reload mentally and prepare for the next game, but this is too much :S are you just annoyed at the commercials or are you being serious?
Annoyed at the commercials. I'm not daft, I know there's a reason for it.
I just wished they had bigger sponsors to possibly be able to cut down on it.
Or at least skip out on stuff like MSL rewind and commercials for intro-network broadcasted events.
Bottom line: no, I'm not serious, I'm merely weary of commercials.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Luxury looks dead again. In his chair rofl.
Game 3 starting, map is Byzantium II.
Luxury at 7
Leta at 1
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On February 28 2009 19:29 darknessteve wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:25 Jayme wrote:
Someone needs to explain to me why the hell Savior 12 hatched there... I mean really. I remember Ra mentioning in the beginning of that game, 12 hatch is the most popular ZvZ build among Z progamers on Neo Harmony, closely followed by 12 pool. He actually surveyed like 50 pro zergs before that series.
lol for a moment I was sitting there thinking "why on earth would white-ra survey a load of progamers to find out about the preferred zvz builds??"
silly me t.t
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but on the bright side, the viewer is a more informed consumer!
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On February 28 2009 19:29 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:28 GinNtoniC wrote:
Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games not everyone watches every single game. it's an easy way to show casual viewers highlights from previous games.
You seem to almost take this personally
Want me to whine less?
Yeah, I could do that - another game is starting!
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Leta at top right in white
Luxury at bottom left in orange
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Stream link please. Daum's dead for me. O_o ;///
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On February 28 2009 19:29 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:28 GinNtoniC wrote:
Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games not everyone watches every single game. it's an easy way to show casual viewers highlights from previous games.
Not even that, it reminds you of the epicness of the last set of games you watched. I love watching those, but only when I saw the games and can say, "I remember that"
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:32 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:29 LosingID8 wrote:On February 28 2009 19:28 GinNtoniC wrote:
Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games not everyone watches every single game. it's an easy way to show casual viewers highlights from previous games. You seem to almost take this personally Want me to whine less? Yeah, I could do that - another game is starting!
I think he was just stating the reason why there is a MSL rewind...
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=).
GO LUXURY. .... err fuck I'm not a fan.
GO ZVT GAME FIVE PLEASE!
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Leta building a rax below his ramp. Lux going for 12pool --> gas.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Leta not getting gas, so not mechanic or 2star wraiths this time.
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shame those rewinds didnt exist back in saviors prime... could have filled like 10 highlight spots with his game 5 vs Iris alone.... And every single one of those 10 would have been better than 80% u see in those clips nowadays
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On February 28 2009 19:32 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:32 GinNtoniC wrote:On February 28 2009 19:29 LosingID8 wrote:On February 28 2009 19:28 GinNtoniC wrote:
Besides, running a huge pack of MSL rewinds isn't generating money for anyone. that's clearly to give the players time to reload and prepare. I don't know, there's obviously a good reason for everything - but it gets extremely weary. Good thing I can sort papers and stuff in between games not everyone watches every single game. it's an easy way to show casual viewers highlights from previous games. You seem to almost take this personally Want me to whine less? Yeah, I could do that - another game is starting! I think he was just stating the reason why there is a MSL rewind...
Yeah and I don't find it interesting. It's just a matter of personal preferance. Some people like it, some think it's a waste of time in between games and that it should rather be shown after the series is played. anyway, lets watch the game
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leta's getting gas now, 2 rax acad (or 1 rax, not sure)
12? pool speed for lux
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I love letas build for this map.
1 rax FE against luxury would be suicide ^^
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Academy almost complete for leta. still running off of 1 rax.
Lux has his nat hatch planted and now a 3rd hatch inside his main
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Is it just me, or is this a really, really early acad? Could this be a sparks rush, or whatever it's called?
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Leta's scout gets taken out. Leta has 2 firebats for defense and is now building his nat CC below his ramp
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Luxury thumbed down Byzantium II, but he still thinks he can perform better on Byzantium II, that's why quickly finished off the game on Destination.
Almost mentioned most positions can somewhat wall off completely from the bottom. (I think, didn't hear clearly.)
Leta moving out with 5 rines 2 bat 1 medic, getting a CC.
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2 sunks for luxury, Leta backs off with his army.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
By bringing his army to Luxury's doorstep, forces Luxury to build 2 sunkens.
3 rax done for Leta, floating CC to start mining.
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Thanks, guys. Hopefully it doesn't happen again. One of the best match-ups this MSL. ^^
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Letea moving out despite cross-map-positions. Luxury adds two sunkens at his nat. LEta adding 2 more barracks.
Lux looks pretty secure with 2 sunkens up + some lings. Leta going in anyway?
He stops outside and waits, hesitates and moves back for the moment.
Adding and engineering bay and is floating the CC upward the ramp to the actualy base position
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wow I think its pretty risky tu push out with such few units for leta, imo luxury could just build a bunch more lings and flank that lil army to hell, 2 firebats dont help that much when u have only 4 medics 1 rine to back them up...
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man this build is really odd from leta, probably got a really early push planned,
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Leta adding scans and has fallen back with his force, weary of runbys.
spire is JUST done while Leta is adding a factory, prolly moving to vessels asap
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 19:37 damenmofa wrote:
wow I think its pretty risky tu push out with such few units for leta, imo luxury could just build a bunch more lings and flank that lil army to hell, 2 firebats dont help that much when u have only 4 medics 1 rine to back them up...
You don't know the power of stim pack do you?
Spire done for Luxury, all 9 larvas morphing to mutalisks.
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Completely standard play so far.
Mutas out, turrets are going to be up in time.
Luxury expands to top left main.
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Leta does not have that many marines... don't know if it's enough for muta harass.
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hmm, I don't think the build is very strange at all. To me it looks like a safer version of an FE.
He's basically doing the normal anti-3hatmuta build, getting 3 raxes, +1, a few tanks and vessel out asap while adding turrets and moving nat CC to mining position.
Nothing strange about it, except having more units early to counter Lux's strong muta control?
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Science facility almost done for Leta. Probably going to push with 1 vessel 3 tank.
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Lux is harassing the group of MnM outside Leta's nat. No kills on anything yet. Leta looks airtight atm
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leta trying to move out, lux trying to harass the moving group. normal play. both doing a good, safe job. Leta has a vessel out and a tank moving down. Hive coming from Lux, military not very strong atm.
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my god amazing muta control.
how the fuck can he move them that much and still macro lol
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Leta pushing, lurkers done for Luxury.
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Lux has a few lurks planted above a ramp and a few moving up the map while the mutas are flying around. now gathering lurks and mutas to stop the push. Leta almost at Lux's nat. Flank is prepared.
Greater spire coming!
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Lux takes out Leta's vessel with mutas! nice!
Leta now sieged outside Lux's ramp with 1 vessel still alive.
Lux hsa flank set up, but isn't doing anything atm. Is he stalling for guardians?
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Greater spire finished for Luxury
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Luxury getting greater spire, Mutalisks bring down a SV.
Luxury buying time with sunkens. So many m&m + 3 tanks.
Luxury doesn't overdo it, quickly gives up the nat.
Guardians morphing at 3. Luxury pulling back lurkers to main.
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Horrible play by Lux just awful.
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Lux's nat sunkens are taken out, the nat hatch falls, Lux going for counter at Leta's nat with mutas. now morphing guardians!
Leta is pushing down into Lux's main. this guardian push needs to do SERIOUS dmg.
NOW lux is moving his flanking lurkers in, but leta is in great position and uses a dmatrix on a tank to compeltely nullify the flank. Guardians now at work in letas nat but are getting too greedy and moving too far out. Leta irradiates 2 vessels and does eraser over the guardians. This doesn't seem to work well at all.
Lux is now in DEEP trouble. greater spire is taken out, lux has no nat and is forced to rely on his far base (now with nydus up) and his main.
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wtf leta make 1 wraith?
edit: ah finally
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Erasers erasing guardians.
Luxury is now trapped in his own main, failed attempt to sandwich Leta's army with lings and lurkers.
Leta has mineral expo running.
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so what exactly what lux trying to do that game...
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Well I don't understand this play. He allowed the Terran to push right into his base, got his Guardians erasered and is down to two gas. Someone explain to me what his plan was?
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I'm confused. he had like 20 Lurkers vs 15 mnm and 3 tanks.
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why didn't he just leave a few guardians at home to help defend? wth.. .
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
2 wraiths clean up the guardians, Leta still containing Luxury in his main with 3 tanks and m&m army.
Dark swarm up! Pushes the contain back a bit, kills two tanks.
But 4 vessels out, kills defiler with irridiate.
Leta massing firebats to counter dark swarm.
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On February 28 2009 19:46 Jayme wrote:
Well I don't understand this play. He allowed the Terran to push right into his base, got his Guardians erasered and is down to two gas. Someone explain to me what his plan was?
5 pool into imbalisk tech.
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i don't get why terrans don't pull the self irradiate trick more often in that situation
lux doesn't even have a spire, he could rape all the drones in the main
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Luxury lost his greater spire to tanks, so he can't make scourge to fight Leta's vessels.
Leta made like 4 production rounds of firebats XD
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Valhalla18444 Posts
sounds like luxury is finding incredible ways to lose games again
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That is a LOT of firebats.
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That is a control group and a half of firebats... lol lol lol
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wow 2 groups of pure Firebat and medics
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haha thats like a full control group of firebats, wow.
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Lux is completely contained atm and only has 3 guardians left. They've completely stopped mineral mining at leta's nat tho, but now a wraith is out (now 2) and cleans the guardians up. Leta looks to contain Lux and solidify his advantage.
Lux has defilers, I missed that !
now put a swarm at his ramp, driving the tanks back!
Leta still has a strong presence and irradiates the defiler. another swarm goes off though and lux gains more ground to the high ground.
Leta has 6 rax running and has a bunch of firebats added in. Leta is trying to attack into a swarm ?
back off, has 4 vessels and looks to irradiate all nearby defilers.
Lux adding a new spire for scourges, because those vessels are becoming a pain.
Swarms are down and leta is toying with lux atm. a defiler is out and consuming, but leta doesnt seem to notice atm.
A LOAD of firebats moving down the map, will make short work of anything.
Lux got a good plague off at the standing force outside his nat and a bunch of lings does heavy dmg. Now with all the firebats coming in Leta seems to be running right through and Lux doesn't have enough lurkers to stop it. Leta now moving straight down Lux's throat and gets some firebats into the mineral line.
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Everything melting to +3 Firebats
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konadora
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LETA MASSING FIREBATS. SERIOUSLY.
ONLY FIREBAT LOL
Plague kills marine medic army, but f&m army comes to rape everything.
Firebathero anyone?
Plague up, but can't do anything, since spire got destroyed.
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Mass firebats for the fucking win.
Lux played like shit that game.
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On February 28 2009 19:46 Vivi57 wrote:
so what exactly what lux trying to do that game...
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Leta loses all his vessels without batting an eyelash.
Lux is so fucked.
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Luxury massing lings against pure firebat
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Leta plays almost too safe imo. Now moving down again.
Lux with a pack of mutas takes out 3 (?) plagued vessels. The firebat+marine+medic force is moving right into the pack of hatcheries in lux's main. taking out drones, taking out sunkens, taking out the nydus.
Lux GGs
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3base terran vs 2base zerg
mutas out for luxury, destroy all of leta's plagued vessels, but luxury is losing his main
this is overrrrrrrrr
leta puts a command center at the three bottom right bases and luxury gg's
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OK really, What the flying hell was that?
That is probably one of the worst ZvT's I have ever seen from a zerg.
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konadora
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Leta finally brings in marines since spire is done.
Commentators saying how Leta's army is constantly changing color from white to red (marine -> plagued -> firebat -> plagued -> new marines).
Luxury GGs.
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The force with him, he has, master Leta.
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Lux is massing his tech in his main -since he cannot do otherwise.
Nuke it pls Leta, will you?
epic firebats
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hahaha, thats what you get for the 5 pool Lux :p
I cant imagine why he didnt try and kill Letas army with the guards though.
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I guess Lux wanted to do something like he did against Flash in Ever 08 - taking the somewhat hidden third, then going into quick guardians. Which Leta just punished him fatally for.
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luxury shaking his head following the loss
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Wow, so Luxury had 10 mutas and over 15 lurkers against like 15 mnm and 3 tanks, and he decides to do nothing with them, falling back, losing his nat and spire and getting contained? Brilliant play.
OK, more mnm, like 25. Still.
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attack.zerg or someone plz explain that game for me from lux's point of view plz
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hey I just tune in, what's the score?
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On February 28 2009 19:51 Manifesto7 wrote:
hahaha, thats what you get for the 5 pool Lux :p
hahahahaha
thought the same here =D
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Lux played like a generic B-team zerg.
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told ya
as soon as luxury loses a game his nerves take him down. he has no chance of winning unless he cheeses
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Luxury is screwed. He'd better 4-pool the next two games.
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i think lux was relying on the pincer to work
he knew the 3 tanks would be exposed while cliffing and he watned to get them with his lurks and take out leta's whole army
once that attack failed, the game was over
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On February 28 2009 19:51 iloveHieu wrote:
hey I just tune in, what's the score?
Leta 2-1 Luxury
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Luxury was scared because if his lurker attack failed, he would lose. However, he failed to realize that if he does nothing to that ball and not attack, he will lose anyway.
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 19:51 iloveHieu wrote:
hey I just tune in, what's the score?
Leta 2-1 Luxury now.
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On February 28 2009 19:52 Vivi57 wrote:
i think lux was relying on the pincer to work
he knew the 3 tanks would be exposed while cliffing and he watned to get them with his lurks and take out leta's whole army
once that attack failed, the game was over
He didn't even pincer properly, he only attacked from one side... so if that was his intention he did it really badly..
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On February 28 2009 19:51 Urth wrote:
attack.zerg or someone plz explain that game for me from lux's point of view plz
what is there to explain, stupid decision making thats all..
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Lol wtf was that? Omg that was bad. And Guards? Didn't he learn the JD lesson - whenever a Zerg goes Guards they loose. Thought he'd try a pincher that might have worked better.
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Damn the Mind games are geting to Luxury he better stick to 12 hat and either standart or 2 hat mutas ....
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On February 28 2009 19:50 Jayme wrote:
OK really, What the flying hell was that?
That is probably one of the worst ZvT's I have ever seen from a zerg.
Basicly leta completely changed the timing for a mnm/3tank/sci push and changed luxurys timing with early acad -> sunkens+lings.... ect so that luxury ended up to passive without alot of lair units and late tech.
I still can't figure out why he didn't try and pincer ... long before his nat awas dead ... the mutas woulda soaked up all the damge until the 16-18 lurkers got in place ...
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On February 28 2009 19:50 Jayme wrote:
OK really, What the flying hell was that?
That is probably one of the worst ZvT's I have ever seen from a zerg.
You haven't seen a lot then
but yeah, I somewhat agree. Manifesto has a good point too. There was no way he was going to do gamechanging damage with those guardians. fine, he stopped mining and took out a fair amount of scvs and marines, but he traded that dmg for his natural hatch and all control of his ramp.
I thought Lux had a GREAT flank set up when Leta moved in initially with those 2 vessels and 3-4 tanks. If he had morphed those guardians at home or even moved in with flank and simply mutas, that could have broken that push, bought time for Hive tech and kept him on 3 gas.
The idea to move out and morph guardians outside Leta's nat with 4 tanks and a huge army outside your nat seems devious at best.
Anyway, solid play from Leta - GG
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On February 28 2009 19:53 3nickma wrote:
Lol wtf was that? Omg that was bad. And Guards? Didn't he learn the JD lesson - whenever a Zerg goes Guards they loose. Thought he'd try a pincher that might have worked better.
Luxury famously beat Flash on troy with a Guardian build. :3
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Luxury is shaking his head before game 4, he knows Leta is just better than him
another 5pool anyone? (I'm yet to check which map is coming up.)
edit: Carthage? Definitely 5pool
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Yeah, definitely something inspired by the Guardians from his win over Flash a while back. Luxury is in trouble and I'm going to look stupid. Wonder why he's struggling so much, he has Flash as a practice partner, I was at least expecting it to be a close set.
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On February 28 2009 19:54 538 wrote:Luxury is shaking his head before game 4, he knows Leta is just better than him another 5pool anyone? (I'm yet to check which map is coming up.)
Well Carthage is supposed to favor Zerg as far as I know so I doubt hes 5 pooling again.
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On February 28 2009 19:54 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:53 3nickma wrote:
Lol wtf was that? Omg that was bad. And Guards? Didn't he learn the JD lesson - whenever a Zerg goes Guards they loose. Thought he'd try a pincher that might have worked better.
Luxury famously beat Flash on troy with a Guardian build. :3
Troy had absolutely abusive geyser blocking mechanics didn't it?
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On February 28 2009 19:54 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:53 3nickma wrote:
Lol wtf was that? Omg that was bad. And Guards? Didn't he learn the JD lesson - whenever a Zerg goes Guards they loose. Thought he'd try a pincher that might have worked better.
Luxury famously beat Flash on troy with a Guardian build. :3
On Troy, which is a far better map for guardians - especially when you're at top right and the terran is at bottom right (generally if the terran is along above/below you in position and not to the sides)
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On February 28 2009 19:55 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:54 Jyvblamo wrote:On February 28 2009 19:53 3nickma wrote:
Lol wtf was that? Omg that was bad. And Guards? Didn't he learn the JD lesson - whenever a Zerg goes Guards they loose. Thought he'd try a pincher that might have worked better.
Luxury famously beat Flash on troy with a Guardian build. :3 Troy had absolutely abusive geyser blocking mechanics didn't it?
oh yes
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clearly lux was afraid of the blob, thinking he would have no chance to break it. I cant fathom why he thought that other than plain nervousness but there is NO other reason for a good Zerg to morph ur guardians at your opponents nat in that situation. Its a desperate all-in move. Every nub Zerg knows that if you go fast guards zvt, u use them to kill his first push and secure enough time for defiler/ultra to make u invincible.
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second zvt @ carthage first been savior vs upmagic.
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konadora
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I miss Troy
Hope they bring it back for PL lol.
Game 4 starting, map is Carthage. Leta is in the lead 2-1.
Luxury must take this, since this map is favored towards zerg. And he'll lose if he doesn't
Leta at 5
Luxury at 11
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Luxury at top left Leta at bottom right, carthage
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konadora
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Nal_ra's reserach:
Out of 5, 3 would vote for mechanic on this map.
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Luxury Overpools with Gas, Leta playing.. I dunno yet.
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Lux overpools, adding gas shortly thereafter.
Leta still hasn't shown his build
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Thanks konadora, your translations are much apreciated
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konadora
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9pool gas from luxury, 2rax from leta
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Ra's survey on progamers
Carthage TvZ
bio : 5
mech : 23
Most Z's say Carthage is an auto-win.
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Leta doing SBB, think that one up for yourselves
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On February 28 2009 19:58 konadora wrote:I miss Troy Hope they bring it back for PL lol. Game 4 starting, map is Carthage. Leta is in the lead 2-1. Luxury must take this, since this map is favored towards zerg. And he'll lose if he doesn't Leta at 5 Luxury at 11
Troy was awful for zergs against protoss. just awful
wasn't too splendid for terrans either
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Lux now adding his nat hatch. Leta on 2 raxes, no gas taken yet.
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lol this feels crazy old school, 9 pool speed vs 2 rax
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Lux is in Leta's base with 5 (?) lings trying to harass the minline. Leta looking safe with a bunch of rines planted inside the minline
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konadora
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Luxury doing a good job denying Leta from finding out what Luxury is doing, by cutting SCVs with speedlings.
On February 28 2009 20:01 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:58 konadora wrote:I miss Troy Hope they bring it back for PL lol. Game 4 starting, map is Carthage. Leta is in the lead 2-1. Luxury must take this, since this map is favored towards zerg. And he'll lose if he doesn't Leta at 5 Luxury at 11 Troy was awful for zergs against protoss. just awful wasn't too splendid for terrans either
But I liked the map concept. And wasn't it Casy who nuked a zerg and won? Lol
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Academy going up and leta has started his gas-mining. A third hatch up for lux closing the choke (afraid of MnM runby? )
No lair coming yet though.
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any other stream besides daumsports? T_T
nevermind, works now.
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Leta stopped mining gas (only 1 scv there now)
Lair coming up for Lux.
Leta trying to assert map control, moving around
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konadora
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Lair going up for Luxury, Leta finally expanding.
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my stream is fuccking up lalala
o.O
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Lux afraid of getting busted and adds 3 sunkens.
Leta stims and runs in BEHIND lux's nat mineline.
Lux pulls drones immediately and adds a sunken in range to protect. Leta now trying to take out the gas and move away from the range of the morphing sunken
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Oh man 3 marines and 2 medics kill like 10 lings. This is looking very very bad for lux
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12 lings for 2 marines and a medic - that medic wall was heroic
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great play by Leta, forcing Lux to make a shitload of unnecessary lings.
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konadora
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Leta runs past the sunkens, bringing the marines behind the mineral field! Drones totally not mining at the expo.
Leta using medics to wall and block the lings.
LOL LOSES ALL THE LINGS BUT HAS 2 MARINES 1 MEDIC LEFT AT EXPO.
Marine and medic now killing drones at the main. Finally 4 lings clear up the mess. Sheesh, too much damage.
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Leta getting revenge for anyone who's ever been speedling run-by'd
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A shitload of lins (15+) runs right into the pack of mnm and takes all but 2 marines and 1 medic out.
Leta moving those 3 units into luxs main and is now massacring drones. 2 down already, a lot more coming.
finally a pack of lings is out again to clean up.
That did a fair amounf of dmg and leta is now at 3 raxes at home, engi bay up and natural CC should be up. Yes it's up and mining at semi-good saturation.
4th rax going up and marine range is being added
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haha Lux shake hes head he knows he played horrible.
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MnM runby!!! This kid is the shit
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Luxury's best hope now is to hope Leta gets complacent so he can build his economy back up. Brilliant plan on Leta's part, put him way ahead.
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konadora
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Leta massing turrets, he knows he just need to defend the mutalisks easily and he's won.
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leta adds scan and a bunker at his nat choke.
turrets going up in preparation for mutas that are now in flight.
+1 coming on the marines. Leta doesnt have turrets at his depot-blob, could be trouble if lux gets in there.
Lux now harassing the 3 turrets at the main minline, not doing enough dmg to poke a hole
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Turrets finish with literally about 1 second leeway before Luxury sees them. Lucky leta lucky.
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why doesnt he drone up again and just sacrifice muta timing?? I dont think going for the early mutas instead of rebuilding drones will be worth it
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CA10828 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:07 Jayme wrote:
Turrets finish with literally about 1 second leeway before Luxury sees them. Lucky leta lucky.
not lucky, progamer timing sense.
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 20:07 damenmofa wrote:
why doesnt he drone up again and just sacrifice muta timing?? I dont think going for the early mutas instead of rebuilding drones will be worth it
Zerg is a complicated race.
Luxury switching tech to lurkers.
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CA10828 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:07 damenmofa wrote:
why doesnt he drone up again and just sacrifice muta timing?? I dont think going for the early mutas instead of rebuilding drones will be worth it
he only made 6 muta and drone whored
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Leta has 2 turrets at his raxes, a lot behind his minlines and feels safe enough to move out with a good-sized force.
Lux adding a hydra den just NOW and will be in the shits if I may predict ^^
Factory coming up for Leta now, mutas are still holding map control and there's a fair distance for that mnm group to go before it can threaten lux for real.
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On February 28 2009 20:07 Jayme wrote:
Turrets finish with literally about 1 second leeway before Luxury sees them. Lucky leta lucky.
Yeah, they practice luck for 14 hours a day:-p
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He thought he could counter harass if Leta didn't bother building defenses, which was obviously not the case. You could also hope to just keep the MnM pressure back until you had Lurkers, which was probably his actual plan.
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Wow, one hit 3 marines dead. Luxury has 5 sunkens up, but so much marine medic firebats.
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Lux taking out 2 turrets behind leta's nat minline, starport going up. third turret taken down.
only 1 turret and a bunker at top protecting that minline now.
it's not safe, but it's not open. it's... semisafe
Leta is now camped outside lux's sunkenline. 2 more sunkens going up = 5 sunkens. mutas are trying to cut off reinforcements but leta's macro is strong (the force is strong with this one etc)
Leta finds lux's 3rd and takes it out before it's complete.
Lux going for the muta-break at leta's barracks. takes out both turrets and puts some pressure back on leta.
Has a blob of mutas camped over Leta's raxes now and a big blob of lurkers securing his sunkenline.
Leta is actually having big trouble taking those mutas out. Vessel is out but no irradiate researched yet and no energy. Leta drives the mutas out for now, but lux has definately done enough dmg to be back in this now
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leta lost quite a lot of m&m to the mutas there
luxury still has a slight chance if he can get an expo up soon
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WOWOWOWWOW AWESOME GO LUXURY!
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konadora
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Leta spots the hidden expo at 10, immediately destroys it.
Mutalisks destroying turrets, then retreats.
Luxury coming out with a lot of lurkers.
Luxury doing a good job keeping units at base.
ALL-IN ATTACK, MASS LURKER/MUTA/LINGS INTO LETA'S BASE, LETA'S EXPO IS PARALYSED.
LURKERS BURROW AT BARRACKS, LETA HAS NO CHANCE OF COMING BACK FROM THIS. TOO MANY LURKERS!
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wow fucking great play from luxury !
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YES
amazing what happens when you're willing to commit to a lurk attack
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Queens nest coming with ling upgrades. Lux gets a good row of spines into some mnms. Mutas are back in leta's base camping over barracks. leta has serious trouble taking that shit out.
Lux cuts off Leta's retreat with a bunch of lurks and the mutas.
Now pushing mutas and lurks down the throat of leta, the bunker is taken out, the tanks are taken out. One tank is dmatrixed and up, the vessels dont irradiate yet.
Lurkers now camping at the nat choke and leapfrogging towards barracks.
This map is really hard for TvZ :S
Leta dmatrixes a rine and does a NICE cleanup up 3 lurks, but there's many more inside his main doing sick amounts of dmg.
Leta needs tanks with siege but have none
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Luxury of old suddenly came back. Still 7 lurkers in Leta's base.
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BEST ATTACK EVER. Goddamn, he kept his head.
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konadora
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This has GOT to be the play of the week.
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LOL WOW what happened there?? Leta's marines out of position and Lux went straight for the throat
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Damnit, Carthage won it for Lux
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wow what da hell just happened
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lol kid got too cocky again...
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This is just a matter of time, lux has reinforcements coming in and the barracks are being taken out. the startport is going down. the main CC is lifted, the nat CC is going down. this is all over.
Leta is trying to do cute things with vessels and some MnM
he GGs
the score is 2-2!
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leta gg's
going through his flash overconfidence phase apparently
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actually I'm pretty sure that was Leta's game to lose, and he sure as hell lost it with some flair. :/
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Leta isn't smiling anymore! :-)
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konadora
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LETA GGs
Luxury is fucking awesome.
Commentators keep saying about how Park Chan Soo/Chance Park doesn't miss his one and only chance.
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yeah, nice comeback, the unprotected barackses killed leta
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Leta is so inexpierenced..
T_T
bad unit movement..
+ attacking when 2 creeps being morphed = GG
;(
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Lol wow, ee han timing
game 5 gogo
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On February 28 2009 20:13 FearDarkness wrote:
Damnit, Carthage won it for Lux
that game had absolutely nothing to do with the map.
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wow, never though this would be possible after the damage leta did to lux in the beginning.
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That's fucking better Lux! Rape that little ass Terran!
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leta won the game and then wanted to get cocky ending it with a HUGE sunken break... he paid the price..
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On February 28 2009 20:13 Manifesto7 wrote:
That was a HUGE choke.
Yes. He fucked up very badly =(.
I can't believe luxury even fought back that well though. He wasn't mining for days + lings+ drones and the extra sunken.... zerg normally can't comeback from that stuff I am baffled ....
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leta lost waaaaaay too many marines to these mutas
didn't think it would be enough though, excellent timing attack by lux
two more minutes and leta would have defended that
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Leta basically got caught with his pants down. He had half his army out in the open trying to keep map control, while lux moved a pack of lurks, lings and mutas in between that army and the nat choke, leapfrogging into the nat while holding the mobile army away from helping.
That could have been avoided, but I must say the move to push those lurks down the nat throat was awesome
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DAUM makes for some interesting viewing with its jumpy stream.
Luxury is contained by a huge force of rines, and is doing some harass at letas main -> letas main is completely filled with lings and lurkers.
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Seriously, that was a great EE Han Timing. Lux took advantage of one very small timing window.
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
We can go straight into game 5, not one of them wants to wait.
Leta looks pissed, Luxury looks like 'yawn rape'.
So no commercials! :D
Meh, KTF coach wants strategy time. Nvm.
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It's weird, everyone's complaing over the stream but for ONCE its PERFECT for me. Lucky day
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Leta better win; otherwise we'll have a ZvZ semifinal.
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wow that was an awesome game, i'm glad my internet came back in time for it
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is yy too lagged or is it just me ;o and then whats the best stream? ><
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Yes yes yes, epic final game to decide this series coming up!
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On February 28 2009 20:14 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:13 FearDarkness wrote:
Damnit, Carthage won it for Lux that game had absolutely nothing to do with the map.
I'm sure that game had something to do with carthage .
+ Show Spoiler +that is my one joke for the night
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MSL rewinds of huge battles. Ok, that was very neat *admits*
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hm nobody else thinks leta just threw that game cus he wanted to be cute and end it with a huge sunken break?? any terra in their right mind would have pulled back earlier, securing his huge advantage...
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It was enjoyable to read the people shit talking lux, then less than 2 minutes later lux has like 10 lurkers in leta's base.
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On February 28 2009 20:16 NahLGaE wrote:
is yy too lagged or is it just me ;o and then whats the best stream? ><
I can't even connect to YY, have to use daum-player, which, as always, is terrible. :<
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 20:17 GinNtoniC wrote:
MSL rewinds of huge battles. Ok, that was very neat *admits*
No, that was the Elite School league. looks so badass.
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Leta's play was pretty unbelievable there. He did well shutting down the second expo, but a total lack of recognition (scan anyone?) as to what Lux was doing cost him. How he could just camp there while Lux crushed his base with mutas... Unreal.
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On February 28 2009 20:17 damenmofa wrote:
hm nobody else thinks leta just threw that game cus he wanted to be cute and end it with a huge sunken break?? any terra in their right mind would have pulled back earlier, securing his huge advantage...
yeah he got way overagressive when he didn't need to
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I wanna check out that school league haha
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Tekken 5 expansion? What is that? I see it's Tekken 5, but the chars look all wrong.
Tekken 5 Crash?
Never heard of it :O
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Why is that the stream only lags when there's action. I can see all the commercials (yay korean girls) and postgame signs/sadfaces perfectly, but I missed most of the push
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On February 28 2009 20:17 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:16 NahLGaE wrote:
is yy too lagged or is it just me ;o and then whats the best stream? >< I can't even connect to YY, have to use daum-player, which, as always, is terrible. :<
dammit =(
and holy crap is that poll on daum right? 4k for leta 54k for lux?? O_O
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When you actually TRY TO ATTACK with shitloads of lurkers, mutas and zerglings, you may win a game. Glad you know now, Luxury!
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On February 28 2009 20:18 538 wrote:Why is that the stream only lags when there's action. I can see all the commercials (yay korean girls) and postgame signs/sadfaces perfectly, but I missed most of the push
Happends to me very often as well, no clue why thou =/
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On February 28 2009 20:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Leta's play was pretty unbelievable there. He did well shutting down the second expo, but a total lack of recognition (scan anyone?) as to what Lux was doing cost him. How he could just camp there while Lux crushed his base with mutas... Unreal.
I don't know what would cause an Sclass gamer to play like that .... I mean 11 mutas eat turrets so fast .....
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One thing had to do with the map: how hard it is to keep mutas out of your base. You need a huge turretline if you want to be completely safe, because he can fly in over the entire... wall? and has good access to both minlines (especially the nat minline).
The huge choke tho had nothing to do with the map
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Leta must be shaken after that game - could we be seeing another Midas-esque game 4 choke leading to a route in game 5?!
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Daum sports does funny things. I think Daum runs many streaming servers and you get connected to one randomly. If you happen to get connected to a slower one it will lag. I have to open, close, refresh the page, and re-open a few times to get a lagfree stream. But it never fails on me. I always get a good stream at the end.
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carthage is an insanely zerg favored map vs T, but the map didn't play a huge roll in the game other than forcing leta to build 3-4 turrets at each base since there is a cliff behind each.
Leta was ahead, had an army postured ahead doing nothing, and got ran over once lux had like 12 lurks and 24 lings.
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 20:18 GinNtoniC wrote:
Tekken 5 expansion? What is that? I see it's Tekken 5, but the chars look all wrong.
Tekken 5 Crash?
Never heard of it :O
Tekken league, like how Starcraft has a Starcraft league.
As for the expansion, IDK. Never played Tekken.
Game 5 starting, map is once again, Neo Harmony.
Luxury spawns at 5
Leta spawns at 1
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Leta at top right in orange
Luxury at bottom right in teal
neo harmony
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The Tekken Crash thing is a Tekken 6 tournament, not a Tekken 5 expansion.
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 20:19 NahLGaE wrote:
and holy crap is that poll on daum right? 4k for leta 54k for lux?? O_O
That's right lol.
Luxury 11 or 12 hatch, Leta 1 rax.
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God this season's MSL maps are so imbalanced, I hope Byzantium 2 gets picked twice in the finals at least.
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On February 28 2009 20:22 Signus wrote:
The Tekken Crash thing is a Tekken 6 tournament, not a Tekken 5 expansion.
oh, didn't even know Tekken 6 was out.
Cheers for the info
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konadora
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On February 28 2009 20:24 writer22816 wrote:
God this season's MSL maps are so imbalanced, I hope Byzantium 2 gets picked twice in the finals at least.
Byzantium II seems to be most balanced.
And Byzantium was so imba. =/
Leta getting a CC.
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alright so Leta at top right going for 1 rax FE by the looks of it.
Yup, CC started.
Lux at bottom right has nat hatch started and is going to lair off 2 bases.
Leta adding a 2nd rax
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I think Luxury is going 2 hatch muta. Oh boy.
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Commentators are saying how Luxury won vs Hwasin, also on game 5, using this same build.
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Leta has a scout inside lux's main tho and knows whats up
academy started
drones moved to nat hatch, 1 sunk up at nat hatch, hydra den going up with 2nd gas
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2 Hatch lurkers ala against hwasin. Oh dear...
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It's been out for over a year in arcades, they are just taking their sweet time with the console port.
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Luxury going Lurkers, not mutas
Wait, he's going spire too. Wad?
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nooooo, my stream died before game 5, why???
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I'm going to bed, I can deal with the stress anymore.
go luxury!
I'm going to bed believing since leta went FE, against the best (ONLY MY OPINION) midgame zerg in the world(zvt) that luxury will win!
Gnight guys!
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Did Leta see that hydra den? does he know?
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On February 28 2009 20:26 GinNtoniC wrote:
Did Leta see that hydra den? does he know?
Even the commentators do not know whether Leta saw den only, spire only, or both.
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fake hydra meaby to obivius?
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oh so its lurks, he skipped mutas?
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Leta definitely scouted that den with the 2nd... and it's a fake 2 hatch lurker. Luxury waited till the spire was done and then built mutalisks...
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I think he has seen the hydra den now, but he hasnt seen teh spire. The two gas might have given it away though.
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Awesome, Lux is going for a fake.
I love doing this on iccup.
Usually I plant the den later but what the hell
Seems Leta has seen the den since he's adding a bunker up front and gets a turret there.
Little does he know mutas are coming
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Leta preparing as if lurkers were coming.
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it's mutas!
and leta's bunkering up for lurks!
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No, the den is a fake. It's 2 hatch muta all-in (according to the commentators)
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HAHA LETA THINKS IT IS LURKER, GETTING BUNKERS AT EXPO.
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no turrets in main and those mutas are having a blast.
Barracks completely unprotected. This will come down to micro!
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The tongue tells me he didn't see it haha. And the double bunk too :p
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wow this is a classic luxury. 2 hatch only Muta!!
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3 gas muta for Luxury, unless Leta gets a SV, it looks like GG for Leta soon.
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THIS IS BEAUTIFUL
I'd forgotten how good proper muta harass can look
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lux wreaking havoc in letas nat. the ramp is cluttered with units and leta is trying to get turrets up anywhere
Lux regrouping, moving back to the nat. leta now has some key turrets up. should lux have stayed in the natural and taken stuff out there?
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Marine medic guts are EVERYWHERE
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Mutas are doing sick dmg, and it looks like Lux is reaching critical mass = he doesnt have to micro anymore and just camps mutas over some mnm, massacring. Now he has to micro a bit again, since some marines are camping next to turrets. The engi bay is getting taken out
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oh well, nice try though Leta.
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lol this sounds like such an awful series
Luxury trying as hard as he can to lose, and Leta completely unable to make it happen.. and then trademark Mutalisk bastardry in game 5? that about right?
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It's official, only players I don't really care for will advance and win these starleagues. That means Bisu for OSL and Luxury for MSL at this rate.
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Muta shadow pitch black :-)
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This game reminds me of luxury vs mind on destination.
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Yep, that's it. Great fake from lux.
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Lux is holding the spaec between the nat and the main over the ramp. a LOAD of mutas are just chilling outside leta's base. This reminds me of when his brother destroyed some terran with mutas only a season ago. forgot who and what game.
Lux is now moving in with a huuuuuuge pack of mutas just camping over the barracks. taking out all scvs, all turrets, the bunker, the main CC, everything
Leta GGs
wow, leta is out.
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YES LETA OUT OF 2 LEAGUES IN 2 DAYS!
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Luxury's muta micro.. it's beautiful.
Luxury's mutas have +1 armor now.
Leta can't even have vessels, factory not even up.
Switching hurt mutas with fresh ones, still got tonnes of mutas at 3. Leta scans, and Luxury just attack moves with the mass mutas.
No scvs left mining at main.
Leta GGs!
Luxury vs Zero semi-finals!
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Mass mutalisk in Leta's base. The last hope for Leta has been snuffed
Luxury is going onto the Semifinals.
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I can't even imagine how hard it is to type "gg" after such a series in the last game..
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now its up to luxury to get revenge vs zero (yarnc)
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poor leta
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god damnit if zero gets to the finals i'm going to stop watching starcraft
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Beautiful fake. That's an elegant way to overthrow an opponent without having to really fight him at all
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is it me or it feels like the lesser player won?
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Wow, lux has a pretty good path to win this msl, great fake :D
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On February 28 2009 20:31 VioleTAK wrote:
Muta shadow pitch black :-)
that line made me shiver
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sidenote 60.000 votes on daum player? wonder how many are watching this streaming.
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HAHA PARK CHAN SOO FIGHTING!!!
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Immaculate and inspired play by Luxury in these last 2 games.
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wowwwwwwwwww what superb mind fuck O_O
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Lol I do believe that ZerO just got a good finals ticket handed to him, hahahaha. That.. would be hilarious.
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lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/
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great Luxury in 4th and 5th game ! I feel srry for Leta because this guy is pretty cool.
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Good mind game in the last game by LUXURY. Leta is owned like a kid!
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Nice run from Leta...hopefully he comes back stronger next time
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Wait, suddenly Zero really looks like a potential winner of this MSL.
Leta looks devastated.
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omg rare to see Luxury smiling so... happily :-) Leta looks so broken :/
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On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won?
What do you mean by lesser? Brilliant mind games are an essential part of the game, as important as solid mechanics and game sense.
Lux played a great game, muta allin <3
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I trust in Lux's ZvZ. At least I didn't look so stupid tonight.
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so Zero vs Luxury in the semi.
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On February 28 2009 20:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol this sounds like such an awful series
Luxury trying as hard as he can to lose, and Leta completely unable to make it happen.. and then trademark Mutalisk bastardry in game 5? that about right?
No.
Game 1 was entertaining.
Game 3 was very solid play from leta. 1 raxcad-> expo very sick tank/sci timing
Game 4 luxury was impressive. leta got confused.
Game 5 leta got fucked badly
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On February 28 2009 20:32 GTR wrote:
god damnit if zero gets to the finals i'm going to stop watching starcraft
lol ! Same for me man
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surprised Letas coach hasn't ran to the booth to try to calm him down oh.,.
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so luxury is in the final gg..
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On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won?
It's just you.
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as said in da homeland; upp som en sol, ned som en pannkaka.
Leta skyrocketed into both starleagues a month ago and + Show Spoiler +now he's coming crashing down like a comet.
poor guy
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Poor Leta.
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That's for knocking Flash out Leta.
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This is so great, we're guaranteed a Zerg in the finals.
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On February 28 2009 20:31 GinNtoniC wrote:
Lux is holding the spaec between the nat and the main over the ramp. a LOAD of mutas are just chilling outside leta's base. This reminds me of when his brother destroyed some terran with mutas only a season ago. forgot who and what game.
Lux is now moving in with a huuuuuuge pack of mutas just camping over the barracks. taking out all scvs, all turrets, the bunker, the main CC, everything
Leta GGs
wow, leta is out.
Flash vs Yarnc clubday msl on athena? was pretty much the same ammount of rape
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All you people talking about Zero getting an easy road to the MSL finals... have you forgotten how good Luxury's ZvZ is?
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Brood War Karma Strikes Again!
Leta eliminated Flash (who got eliminated from both leagues back-to-back).
Now look at what happened...
Leta looks more broken than Flash did. Leta is sitting there in the booth for 5 minutes now holding his head in his hands.
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On February 28 2009 20:33 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/
Zero's a really good player, he just needs some consistancy. If he can get to the MSL final it'll be good for him
Not that anyone will be able to stop Jangbi at this point, however
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leta must be feeling like shit.
BUT DAMN luxury, WOW.
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hell yea lux
if flash couldnt do it your the next best thing for me
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On February 28 2009 20:34 Jyvblamo wrote:
All you people talking about Zero getting an easy road to the MSL finals... have you forgotten how good Luxury's ZvZ is?
No one said easy road, but Luxury's ZvZ lately hasn't exactly been inspiring while ZerO's certainly has been. ZerO does after all account for one of Jaedong's .. 17 career losses. ZerO has a better chance against Luxury then he did Leta.
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On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won?
The lesser player lost man , the better player won !
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On February 28 2009 20:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:33 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/ Zero's a really good player, he just needs some consistancy. If he can get to the MSL final it'll be good for him Not that anyone will be able to stop Jangbi at this point, however
Let's see what Nada can do first
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Zero is a good player but who the hell wants to see him in a final seriously :X
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Flash would have rolled over lux in a bo5, but because of leta we have another zvz matchup ==.
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On February 28 2009 20:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:33 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/ Zero's a really good player, he just needs some consistancy. If he can get to the MSL final it'll be good for him Not that anyone will be able to stop Jangbi at this point, however
You forget nada
I think that lux would have a pretty good chance vs jangbi if thats how the finals ended up
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On February 28 2009 20:36 Dante08 wrote:
Zero is a good player but who the hell wants to see him in a final seriously :X
I do.
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On February 28 2009 20:34 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:31 GinNtoniC wrote:
Lux is holding the spaec between the nat and the main over the ramp. a LOAD of mutas are just chilling outside leta's base. This reminds me of when his brother destroyed some terran with mutas only a season ago. forgot who and what game.
Lux is now moving in with a huuuuuuge pack of mutas just camping over the barracks. taking out all scvs, all turrets, the bunker, the main CC, everything
Leta GGs
wow, leta is out. Flash vs Yarnc clubday msl on athena? was pretty much the same ammount of rape
Might have been yeah, thanks
I just remember yarnc muta harassing his ass off, putting 95% of his apm into it, then moving out all injured/target fired mutas to a spot outside the terran's base to let them regenerate their HP, moving fresh mutas in instead and kept repeating for a couple of minutes --> then took every regenerated muta, new muta and pimp veteran muta and just flew ~2-3 control groups right in and camped over the raxes in humiliating fashion
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On February 28 2009 20:34 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won? It's just you.
I really think Leta proved to be a more solid player than lux...
I mean... Lux was kind of a mental mess till the 4th game imo, except for a few brief momments...
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Luxury apologizing to Leta or something like that, trying to make Leta feel better I guess.
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ZerO does have a much better chance against Luxury than against Leta, but that can be said of any Zerg.
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lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ?
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Luxury goes over to see how Leta's doing... even Zeus understands how both are feeling, since they were from the same team. Touching
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On February 28 2009 20:36 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2009 20:33 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/ Zero's a really good player, he just needs some consistancy. If he can get to the MSL final it'll be good for him Not that anyone will be able to stop Jangbi at this point, however Let's see what Nada can do first
that'd be a dream come true, but let's be honest with ourselves
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On February 28 2009 20:36 jigga wrote:
Flash would have rolled over lux in a bo5, but because of leta we have another zvz matchup ==.
-_-
EVER 2008 OSL.
Luxury is perfectly capable of taking on Flash.
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On February 28 2009 20:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:33 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
lol Zero gets to play another ZvZ bo5 :/ Zero's a really good player, he just needs some consistancy. If he can get to the MSL final it'll be good for him Not that anyone will be able to stop Jangbi at this point, however
how bout NADA? come on fake steve you can't possible give nada no hope of advancing!
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On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ?
it's a common fake done at top level sc, mondragon did a similar build vs sea on blue storm (he faked saving larvae, then built 9 hydras -> lurkers)
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Nada vs zerg in finals gogoggo
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Good manners by lux.
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On February 28 2009 20:36 jigga wrote:
Flash would have rolled over lux in a bo5, but because of leta we have another zvz matchup ==.
Honestly, I think it would have been close.
There would be so many mind games going on and lux has shown he can go toe to toe with flash in a box. It would definitely have been a better series though
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could someone please tell us what the comentators said after the game finished?
thank you in advance
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Hmm, overall it really does feel like Lux is the player that should advance. He brought a bit of everything to day: some cheese, a terrible game, an awesome game, and a brilliant game. Definitely more fun to watch than Leta's overhyped crap.
GGs.
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On February 28 2009 20:36 leandroqm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:34 sushiman wrote:On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won? It's just you. I really think Leta proved to be a more solid player than lux... I mean... Lux was kind of a mental mess till the 4th game imo, except for a few brief momments...
Are you kidding guys. Lux is a lesser player ? It is Luxury LOL. He was 2 times in OSL semifinals,and he has too much experience than Leta.God knows ,who deserves it.
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On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ?
more like leta probably got faked out thinking that it was SO obvious that it was a double fake.
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From Leta's reactions, we can basically conclude his mental state for the whole series
-After his first loss (he smiles): "Lol Luxury knows he can't beat me straight up so he 5 pools. I got this series in the bag"
-After his 2nd loss (he stops smiling): "That was me being too confident. Gotta be more careful now and play more seriously..."
-After his final loss (he is either crying or extremely pissed off): "Ok wtf just happened. I saw 2 base lurker so I was playing SAFE this time and I see mutas? This is bullshit"
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Lol, Luxury got a call from Flash, saying congratulations.
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On February 28 2009 20:38 GeLaar wrote:
Hmm, overall it really does feel like Lux is the player that should advance. He brought a bit of everything to day: some cheese, a terrible game, an awesome game, and a brilliant game. Definitely more fun to watch than Leta's overhyped crap.
GGs.
I do agree Luxury is far more interesting to watch, but Leta being overhyped? I don't know man, he's played some friggin insane games these past few months Then again, he does seem to get nervous in stage in these tournaments. At least some of his play looked... off at times today.
If anything, I actually think Luxury just read Leta through and through in game 4 and 5.
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On February 28 2009 20:36 Dante08 wrote:
Zero is a good player but who the hell wants to see him in a final seriously :X
I definitely do. Why not?
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On February 28 2009 20:36 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:34 Jyvblamo wrote:
All you people talking about Zero getting an easy road to the MSL finals... have you forgotten how good Luxury's ZvZ is? No one said easy road, but Luxury's ZvZ lately hasn't exactly been inspiring while ZerO's certainly has been. ZerO does after all account for one of Jaedong's .. 17 career losses. ZerO has a better chance against Luxury then he did Leta.
and luxury accounts for 2, i don't see how you could possibly say zero is the favorite against luxury.
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On February 28 2009 20:38 verzisor wrote:
lux can beat jangbi
that's.... a pretty wild claim
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"stupid luxury he should have 3hatched why can't he understand why 2hatch sucks here!!"
-IdrA
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FOREIGNER FAN WITH LUXURY TAKING PHOTOS
WHO IS THAT LUCKY FELLOW
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LOL a german guy gets to take a pic with lux!
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LOL A GERMAN DUDE TAKING A PHOTO WITH LUXURY!
Cool guy.
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On February 28 2009 20:39 monstar123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:36 leandroqm wrote:On February 28 2009 20:34 sushiman wrote:On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won? It's just you. I really think Leta proved to be a more solid player than lux... I mean... Lux was kind of a mental mess till the 4th game imo, except for a few brief momments... Are you kidding guys. Lux is a lesser player ? It is Luxury LOL. He was 2 times in OSL semifinals,and he has too much experience than Leta.God knows ,who deserves it.
That was not what I meant...
I mean that Leta was more focused and looked more prepared to me.
IMO he is playing better than lux.
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haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out.
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Aight, looking forward to eStro winning tomorrow
Bye guys, Luxury played awesome!
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On February 28 2009 20:41 leandroqm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:39 monstar123 wrote:On February 28 2009 20:36 leandroqm wrote:On February 28 2009 20:34 sushiman wrote:On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won? It's just you. I really think Leta proved to be a more solid player than lux... I mean... Lux was kind of a mental mess till the 4th game imo, except for a few brief momments... Are you kidding guys. Lux is a lesser player ? It is Luxury LOL. He was 2 times in OSL semifinals,and he has too much experience than Leta.God knows ,who deserves it. That was not what I meant... I mean that Leta was more focused and looked more prepared to me. IMO he is playing better than lux.
you're ignoring the metagame in a best of 5 series.
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On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ?
Exactly what I was thinking. The position of the Den was so obvious. But after all, we always see the whole map, easy for us to judge
Scouting wins games, one additional proof to this rule.
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Damn I just realized how hyped up I am for Nada right now. It's soooo unlikely that he'll take down jangbi, but if he does, the set is wide open for a 4th OSL gold
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On February 28 2009 20:40 kazokun wrote:
"stupid luxury he should have 3hatched why can't he understand why 2hatch sucks here!!"
-IdrA
"Hey flaming IdrA got me banned, what a stupid site!"
- kazokun
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On February 28 2009 20:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:that's.... a pretty wild claim
well jangbi's pvz isn't crash hot while luxury's is 'ok'
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On February 28 2009 20:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:that's.... a pretty wild claim
With his current level of play, no.
But I think lux definitely has what it takes to bring his zvp to a higher level for the finals. There's a history of players redefining their weak mu (like jd vs stork) to win finals. Lux is capable of this.
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On February 28 2009 20:40 Kot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:36 Jayme wrote:On February 28 2009 20:34 Jyvblamo wrote:
All you people talking about Zero getting an easy road to the MSL finals... have you forgotten how good Luxury's ZvZ is? No one said easy road, but Luxury's ZvZ lately hasn't exactly been inspiring while ZerO's certainly has been. ZerO does after all account for one of Jaedong's .. 17 career losses. ZerO has a better chance against Luxury then he did Leta. and luxury accounts for 2, i don't see how you could possibly say zero is the favorite against luxury.
I never said favorite, please stop drawing false assumptions because I don't like Luxury and you do?
What I'm saying is that Luxury certainly does not have a free MSL final ride like it has been implied here, ZerO is a hell of a lot better then people give him credit for. ZerO's ZvZ wins have been very recent and he's been on a complete tear, Luxury however has not.
ZerO is not the favorite but I certainly wouldn't consider Luxury one either.
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On February 28 2009 20:42 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ? Exactly what I was thinking. The position of the Den was so obvious. But after all, we always see the whole map, easy for us to judge Scouting wins games, one additional proof to this rule.
Well, he dropped that den there when the first scv was scouting from the ramp down. Maybe Leta just saw the dot on the mini map and could't click it. That is why he sent the second scout down, and Lux crossed him up.
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On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out.
Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best only have 50 % chance against him and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan and 5 pooled Bisu . I fear for his match against Zero thought ZvZ is such an unforgiving MU .
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On February 28 2009 20:40 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:38 GeLaar wrote:
Hmm, overall it really does feel like Lux is the player that should advance. He brought a bit of everything to day: some cheese, a terrible game, an awesome game, and a brilliant game. Definitely more fun to watch than Leta's overhyped crap.
GGs. I do agree Luxury is far more interesting to watch, but Leta being overhyped? I don't know man, he's played some friggin insane games these past few months Then again, he does seem to get nervous in stage in these tournaments. At least some of his play looked... off at times today. If anything, I actually think Luxury just read Leta through and through in game 4 and 5.
OK, I admit I'm really being biased against him. But it was all the hype on TL.net, like he would bring a new age for Terran or something. And then the fact that he advanced by beating Flash with a cheese build was the last straw. So it seems quite fitting that he would get eliminated from both leagues on consecutive days _just like Flash_ (who is still a far better player despite TL.net coverage of Leta).
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Luxury can beat Jangbi, cause his zvp is very Jaedong styled(+ he has allin based tacktics) and he is winning S-class tosses.
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On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best are 50 % chance and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan ...
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any TWO are stronger than the combination of ZERO/LUXURY
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On February 28 2009 20:43 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:42 Malinor wrote:On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ? Exactly what I was thinking. The position of the Den was so obvious. But after all, we always see the whole map, easy for us to judge Scouting wins games, one additional proof to this rule. Well, he dropped that den there when the first scv was scouting from the ramp down. Maybe Leta just saw the dot on the mini map and could't click it. That is why he sent the second scout down, and Lux crossed him up.
Ok, I must have missed that. My stream was really laggy sometimes. But anyway, Lux played really good starcraft in game 4 and 5, he deserves it.
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On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best only have 50 % chance against him and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan and 5 pooled Bisu .
I dunno, Flash and Hwasin at their best I would put at greater than 1-1 odds of beating Luxury. Every other Terran would fall to him though quite easily.
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On February 28 2009 20:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:that's.... a pretty wild claim
I'd say that Luxury could very well be the favorite against Jangbi in a Bo5, depending on which map gets played twice.
Have you seen his macro in recent ZvPs... in his last game against Jangbi, for example? It's pretty insane.
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On February 28 2009 20:42 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:37 MisterKatosS wrote:
lol at this mindfuck, but i am a litlle confused, at pro level don't you get a little suspicious when an hydra den is yelling "SCOUT ME !!!!" like that ? Exactly what I was thinking. The position of the Den was so obvious. But after all, we always see the whole map, easy for us to judge Scouting wins games, one additional proof to this rule.
you are underestimating the psychological pressure in such a situation on stage... leta wanted to get some info SOO badly to secure a tiny advantage and win that MU, so Lux threw him a bone and he fell for it. Smart move by Lux abusing his opponents insecureness.
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I'd love a FPVOD of this last game on leta's vision.
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On February 28 2009 20:42 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:41 leandroqm wrote:On February 28 2009 20:39 monstar123 wrote:On February 28 2009 20:36 leandroqm wrote:On February 28 2009 20:34 sushiman wrote:On February 28 2009 20:32 leandroqm wrote:
is it me or it feels like the lesser player won? It's just you. I really think Leta proved to be a more solid player than lux... I mean... Lux was kind of a mental mess till the 4th game imo, except for a few brief momments... Are you kidding guys. Lux is a lesser player ? It is Luxury LOL. He was 2 times in OSL semifinals,and he has too much experience than Leta.God knows ,who deserves it. That was not what I meant... I mean that Leta was more focused and looked more prepared to me. IMO he is playing better than lux. you're ignoring the metagame in a best of 5 series.
I dont think Leta could have been more prepared considering luxury has flash to train. And please Leta can look as scary as he wants in PL/WL but individual leagues dont work that way, experience and personal motivation are simply different just look at by.hero/flash/stork/hwasin/best/forgg if you know what i mean.
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On February 28 2009 20:45 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best are 50 % chance and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan ... .... any TWO are stronger than the combination of ZERO/LUXURY
Thats because zero isn't as solid as the other players in this MSL . Well that doesn't really matter because they are not playing 2v2 .
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On February 28 2009 20:50 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:45 LosingID8 wrote:On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best are 50 % chance and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan ... .... any TWO are stronger than the combination of ZERO/LUXURY Thats because zero isn't as solid as the other players in this MSL . Well that doesn't really matter because they are not playing 2v2 .
You'll be eating your socks when Zero wins the MSL ;D
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YES... Luxury avenges Flash.
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On February 28 2009 20:42 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2009 20:38 verzisor wrote:
lux can beat jangbi that's.... a pretty wild claim well jangbi's pvz isn't crash hot while luxury's is 'ok'
....what? maybe you should do some research because jangbi's PvZ is probably the best around right now, excluding when Kal plays well
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On February 28 2009 20:51 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:50 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:45 LosingID8 wrote:On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best are 50 % chance and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan ... .... any TWO are stronger than the combination of ZERO/LUXURY Thats because zero isn't as solid as the other players in this MSL . Well that doesn't really matter because they are not playing 2v2 . You'll be eating your socks when Zero wins the MSL ;D
jangbi wins this msl. its written by stork.
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On February 28 2009 20:46 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best only have 50 % chance against him and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan and 5 pooled Bisu . I dunno, Flash and Hwasin at their best I would put at greater than 1-1 odds of beating Luxury. Every other Terran would fall to him though quite easily.
Well Flash was looking pretty unstopable everywhere and then Luxury took him out in Ever OSL 2008 ... Hwasin chokes most of the times so i don't know if he can bring his best for a series .
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okay, hold on
people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck?
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On February 28 2009 20:54 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:46 Jayme wrote:On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best only have 50 % chance against him and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan and 5 pooled Bisu . I dunno, Flash and Hwasin at their best I would put at greater than 1-1 odds of beating Luxury. Every other Terran would fall to him though quite easily. Well Flash was looking pretty unstopable everywhere and then Luxury took him out in Ever OSL 2008 ... Hwasin chokes most of the times so i don't know if he can bring his best for a series .
in the unlikely event that forgg makes it past stork and jangbi/nada, he will rape lux / zero. i think we all remember the arena msl finals. forgg is a tvz monster. too bad his tvp is so unrefined
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On February 28 2009 20:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:42 GTR wrote:On February 28 2009 20:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2009 20:38 verzisor wrote:
lux can beat jangbi that's.... a pretty wild claim well jangbi's pvz isn't crash hot while luxury's is 'ok' ....what? maybe you should do some research because jangbi's PvZ is probably the best around right now, excluding when Kal plays well
I actually disagree and say that Bisu's PvZ is clearly the best. However my actual point is that in the last game JangBi and Luxury played, JangBi got ahead of Luxury by killing his third and then got overpowered and totally outmacroed. Luxury is 8-2 in his last 10 games in ZvP, and if you've actually watched some of them, he's looking really good and solid.
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I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5
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On February 28 2009 20:52 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 28 2009 20:50 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:45 LosingID8 wrote:On February 28 2009 20:44 raga4ka wrote:On February 28 2009 20:41 LosingID8 wrote:
haha even luxury knows that he played well today. he can't stop smiling.
anyway, i think any two from the combination of stork/forgg/jangbi/nada are stronger contenders than zero/luxury. i'm interested in seeing how that side of the bracket turns out. Hell no Luxury is as strong as any other contander . Terran players at their best are 50 % chance and he has showed promise vs protoss after he beat Kal twise and all - killed samsung khan ... .... any TWO are stronger than the combination of ZERO/LUXURY Thats because zero isn't as solid as the other players in this MSL . Well that doesn't really matter because they are not playing 2v2 . You'll be eating your socks when Zero wins the MSL ;D jangbi wins this msl. its written by stork.
If it's written by stork, Jangbi's getting another silver.
But honestly speaking, Jangbi > Luxury. Jangbi's on fire these days.
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With this map pool, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you.
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On February 28 2009 21:00 Shikyo wrote:
With this map pool, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you.
When you compare two players, I'm sure you compare their skill, not the racial imbalance of a map.
If you're comparing let's say, Flash and Bisu, you don't go
"Oh look, Medusa imba. Flash going to lose vs Bisu because of map."
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In my opinion, Luxury is a better ZvPer than Jangbi is a PvZer. And did you watch ForGG vs Jaedong?
The map pool is extremely Zerg-favored, the only way it could get worse for Protoss is if ToTM was in it as well. It's silly not to take it into account.
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On February 28 2009 20:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
okay, hold on
people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck?
okay, hold on
people here seriously think NaDa isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Jangbi in a series? What the fuck?
it kinda sucks the msl nada is supposed to win the best PvT of all fucking time has to be in his way.
In all seriousness though, stork will be the only competition for Jangbi in this MSL.
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On February 28 2009 21:08 anTi_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
okay, hold on
people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck? okay, hold on people here seriously think NaDa isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Jangbi in a series? What the fuck? it kinda sucks the msl nada is supposed to win the best PvT of all fucking time has to be in his way. In all seriousness though, stork will be the only competition for Jangbi in this MSL.
I think Jangbi > Stork anytime now.
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On February 28 2009 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5
long time ago you also told us without pause that this starleague, Sea would deliver.
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On February 28 2009 21:27 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5 long time ago you also told us without pause that this starleague, Sea would deliver.
No, I didn't post that. Good luck finding the quote!
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I think people know what I mean without me having to dig the forums for a quote man...
more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago)
There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo...
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noo Leta, another Terran disappoints me
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On February 28 2009 21:35 damenmofa wrote:
I think people know what I mean without me having to dig the forums for a quote man...
more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago)
There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo...
You want people to know you make retarded assumptions and don't actually read anything anyone writes? Cool, man.
TL seems positively infested with people who clutch TLPD like their life depends on it
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On February 28 2009 21:35 damenmofa wrote:more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago)
There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo...
Quick, name a competent ZvPer besides Jaedong... And before you say July, he just got pwned by Stork in the OSL. So basically, your argument is that since Jangbi has not played Jaedong in a series, his PvZ is not good? And when was the last time Luxury beat a competent protoss in a series?
I personally think Luxury's ZvP has improved a great deal since being Stork's whipping boy for a while. And I think a Luxury vs Jangbi final is basically tossup. But your argument is still pointless.
On February 28 2009 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5
Do you really have such a low opinion of Luxury's ZvP? I've watched his wins against Bisu, Jangbi, Kal recently. It looks pretty good.
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It doesn't really matter though. Sine he's going to get 0-3ed by one genius terran.
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On February 28 2009 21:45 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 21:35 damenmofa wrote:more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago)
There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo... Quick, name a competent ZvPer besides Jaedong... And before you say July, he just got pwned by Stork in the OSL. So basically, your argument is that since Jangbi has not played Jaedong in a series, his PvZ is not good? And when was the last time Luxury beat a competent protoss in a series? I personally think Luxury's ZvP has improved a great deal since being Stork's whipping boy for a while. And I think a Luxury vs Jangbi final is basically tossup. But your argument is still pointless.
just because someone fucked up against the birdtoss in a certain tiebreaker doesnt mean u cant name him as "competent pvz player" anymore... also I would name savior if he keeps his recent form his zvp will be top5 again.
Jaedong, Lux, Savior, July <- those are the 4 that have better zvp than ur average zerg on a basis as consistent as it gets with Zerg.
Its always easy to try and make an argument look pointless by a question. Can u name a Z with a better overall average ZvP than the 4 I just named and classified as the 4 "competent zvp players" for me?
I think by looking at how well a P does against these 4, u can estimate his PvZ skill much more accurately (for top level only obviously).
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On February 28 2009 21:46 damenmofa wrote:
to be more precise:
Jangbi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%)
Impressive Stats you say?
Lets look at it a lil closer:
vs Yellow[arnc]: 8-2
vs Orion: 4-1
vs Jaedong: 0-2
vs Savior: 0-2
vs Luxury 0-1
vs July: never played
vs Mumyung 0-1
Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is...
LOL. No wonder FS's so pissed off at people who treat TLPD as the bible. I'm pretty sure Jangbi hasn't played Savior in ages. Those must've been some old, old games.
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rofl those jangbi-savior games were from 2007, one of them from gomtv s2 ro32 i believe.
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On February 28 2009 21:52 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 21:46 damenmofa wrote:
to be more precise:
Jangbi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%)
Impressive Stats you say?
Lets look at it a lil closer:
vs Yellow[arnc]: 8-2
vs Orion: 4-1
vs Jaedong: 0-2
vs Savior: 0-2
vs Luxury 0-1
vs July: never played
vs Mumyung 0-1
Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is... LOL. No wonder FS's so pissed off at people who treat TLPD as the bible. I'm pretty sure Jangbi hasn't played Savior in ages. Those must've been some old, old games.
do you even read my posts?? I myself said in my first post that the games he played against the good ZvPers were so long ago they are practically irrelevant now.. This was just to underline the fact that there is no valuable evidence pointing to jangbis pvz being that good. Why am I even writing all this, u probably wont read or understand all of it anyway... T_T
Edit: Ok for all of you, read both these posts completely or just ignore them, but quoting me out of context is lame as hell. I never said these figures proof Jangbis PvZ sux. I am saying these figures proof that you cant really judge jangbis PvZ against the top zergs in this mu.
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wow nice info about jangbi's vZ. that looks really funny lol. not implying anything though.
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I'm just utterly confused as to how FS can have watched Luxury's recent ZvPs and still think that JangBi is a clear favorite against him. It's even at best(Byzantium played twice), but I could never see JangBi as the favorite.
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On February 28 2009 22:00 Shikyo wrote:
I'm just utterly confused as to how FS can have watched Luxury's recent ZvPs and still think that JangBi is a clear favorite against him. It's even at best(Byzantium played twice), but I could never see JangBi as the favorite.
same here, he must have gotten overexcited seeing jangbi roll over mediocre zergs time and time again..
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clear favorite ? hell no, i'm not even sure there is a favorite. Jangbi's PvZ is good but Lux improved his ZvP greatly
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maybe he only watched jangbi's pvz and not lux's zvp? And ofc jangbi's pvz recently has looked godlike because the Zs he has been facing are effort (he is good though), kwanro (somewhat on a roll but meh), shark(lol), saint (lol), zero (ok), keke (lol), and his last game he lost to yarnc. While lux has been facing Ps like Jaehoon (lol), Kal 2x, Best (ok his pvz is awful), Bisu (goodness), Stork (struggling but still OK) and Jangbi.
I think in a bo5 vs jangbi, lux would be the favorite on paper but you can never underestimate all s-class players like jangbi. they are capable of anything, anytime.
just my 2 cents though.
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On February 28 2009 21:56 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 21:52 baubo wrote:On February 28 2009 21:46 damenmofa wrote:
to be more precise:
Jangbi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%)
Impressive Stats you say?
Lets look at it a lil closer:
vs Yellow[arnc]: 8-2
vs Orion: 4-1
vs Jaedong: 0-2
vs Savior: 0-2
vs Luxury 0-1
vs July: never played
vs Mumyung 0-1
Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is... LOL. No wonder FS's so pissed off at people who treat TLPD as the bible. I'm pretty sure Jangbi hasn't played Savior in ages. Those must've been some old, old games. do you even read my posts?? I myself said in my first post that the games he played against the good ZvPers were so long ago they are practically irrelevant now.. This was just to underline the fact that there is no valuable evidence pointing to jangbis pvz being that good. Why am I even writing all this, u probably wont read or understand all of it anyway... T_T
Actually there is. Watch his games. Stop just read the list of his opponents from his TLPD.
Edit: Ok for all of you, read both these posts completely or just ignore them, but quoting me out of context is lame as hell. I never said these figures proof Jangbis PvZ sux. I am saying these figures proof that you cant really judge jangbis PvZ against the top zergs in this mu.
If you don't want people to misunderstand your posts, stop posting them in a way that causes misunderstandings. You write a post which basically listing Jangbi's stats(most of which are old now that I took a look at the TLPD), what do you expect people to say?
It's one thing to think Luxury's ZvP is better than what FS thinks, because Luxury recent performance has been quite impressive given his history. But it's another to discredit Jangbi's PvZ, which is S-Class and rivals any other protoss at the moment.
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WP Lux, hopefully all the Leta hype will die now.. Jangbi is the clear favourite to win MSL now but i would honestly like to see ZerO win.
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On February 28 2009 21:46 damenmofa wrote:to be more precise:  JangBi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%) Impressive Stats you say? Lets look at it a lil closer: vs YellOw[ArnC]: 8-2 vs Orion: 4-1 vs Jaedong: 0-2 vs sAviOr: 0-2 vs Luxury 0-1 vs July: never played vs MuMyung 0-1 Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is...
you realise the games against jaedong/savior were from 1 and a half to 2 years ago? they're hardly relevant
edit: some other people already said it
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People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath.
Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me.
Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong
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On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong
Ah but you can gloat like a mofo when you're right
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On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong
hardly
the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior)
a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite.
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hmm... that's a pretty good counterargument I have to admit..
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On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite.
yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds.
Oh wait...
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YAY LETA LOST
why the hell leta didnt make a bunker for gods sake? (in game 2)
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On February 28 2009 23:01 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite. yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. Oh wait...
i am not particularly solid. my game sense isnt well enough developed to be considered so. i just tend toward conservative standard styles. jangbi, on the other hand, has game sense flowing out the ass along with the best mechanics of any protoss except maybe bisu.
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zvz MSL semifinal
yeah baby
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On February 28 2009 23:15 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 23:01 damenmofa wrote:On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite. yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. Oh wait... i am not particularly solid. my game sense isnt well enough developed to be considered so. i just tend toward conservative standard styles. jangbi, on the other hand, has game sense flowing out the ass along with the best mechanics of any protoss except maybe bisu.
wow props for saying that. however, to return to your original post, I think the crux lies within the "good logic". U gave a perfectly fine example of a good prediction and then continued to make a bad one yourself. U start your reasoning with "because jangbi is the better player". Thats just subjective opinion and has nothing to do with logic. Describing his pvz with positive adjectives also is no loigcal reasoning.
The only point of some substance I see in your prediction is Luxurys "reliance on gimmicky or overaggressive builds". And in this only point u may have, I disagree with you. It is within Zergs nature to be more reliant on "gimmicky, overaggressive builds" - or simply high(er) risk builds as I would like to call them by an unbiased name - than the other two races . Luxury doesnt rely on those builds more than the majority of other zergs imo. In fact, there are Zergs who have been far more successful who rely much more on such builds (july anyone?).
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United States37500 Posts
Love the "subtle" poke at IdrA when everything he just stated isn't even that off base.
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On February 28 2009 23:29 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 23:15 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 23:01 damenmofa wrote:On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite. yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. Oh wait... i am not particularly solid. my game sense isnt well enough developed to be considered so. i just tend toward conservative standard styles. jangbi, on the other hand, has game sense flowing out the ass along with the best mechanics of any protoss except maybe bisu. wow props for saying that. however, to return to your original post, I think the crux lies within the "good logic". U gave a perfectly fine example of a good prediction and then continued to make a bad one yourself. U start your reasoning with "because jangbi is the better player". Thats just subjective opinion and has nothing to do with logic. Describing his pvz with positive adjectives also is no loigcal reasoning. no, saying 'jangbi is the better player' is ok because i went on to explain why he was the better player, and also why he is particularly well suited to luxury. i said he has the better mechanics, which cant really be substantiated any further. he is just a cleaner player. luxury slips up on both macro and micro far more than jangbi does. that can really only be supported by watching their play.
The only point of some substance I see in your prediction is Luxurys "reliance on gimmicky or overaggressive builds". And in this only point u may have, I disagree with you. It is within Zergs nature to be more reliant on "gimmicky, overaggressive builds" or simply high(er) risk builds, as I would like to call them by an unbiased name. Luxury doesnt rely on those builds more than the majority of other zergs. In fact, there are Zergs who have been far more successful who rely much more on such builds (july anyone?).
currently jaedong yarnc effort zero and probably others im forgetting tend much more towards strong management play than luxury. flash himself said that luxurys strength was allin type plays. it has worked in the past for some, and its not doing bad for lux, but just look at the big z's throughout history. you have july as a cheesy player, then you have gorush savior jaedong as almost pure management players. julys the exception there. but i wasnt commenting on the viability of luxury's style in general, just saying that jangbi is well equipped to counter such a style.
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god why is anyone even talking about jangbi here its so obvious that Nada will rape him ez
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Damenmofa how about we both bet, if Luxury wins than I get banned for 90 days however if Jangbi wins than you get banned for 90 days?
Edit: we are counting Semis.
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On February 28 2009 23:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 23:29 damenmofa wrote:On February 28 2009 23:15 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 23:01 damenmofa wrote:On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite. yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. Oh wait... i am not particularly solid. my game sense isnt well enough developed to be considered so. i just tend toward conservative standard styles. jangbi, on the other hand, has game sense flowing out the ass along with the best mechanics of any protoss except maybe bisu. wow props for saying that. however, to return to your original post, I think the crux lies within the "good logic". U gave a perfectly fine example of a good prediction and then continued to make a bad one yourself. U start your reasoning with "because jangbi is the better player". Thats just subjective opinion and has nothing to do with logic. Describing his pvz with positive adjectives also is no loigcal reasoning. no, saying 'jangbi is the better player' is ok because i went on to explain why he was the better player, and also why he is particularly well suited to luxury. i said he has the better mechanics, which cant really be substantiated any further. he is just a cleaner player. luxury slips up on both macro and micro far more than jangbi does. that can really only be supported by watching their play. Show nested quote +
The only point of some substance I see in your prediction is Luxurys "reliance on gimmicky or overaggressive builds". And in this only point u may have, I disagree with you. It is within Zergs nature to be more reliant on "gimmicky, overaggressive builds" or simply high(er) risk builds, as I would like to call them by an unbiased name. Luxury doesnt rely on those builds more than the majority of other zergs. In fact, there are Zergs who have been far more successful who rely much more on such builds (july anyone?).
currently jaedong yarnc effort zero and probably others im forgetting tend much more towards strong management play than luxury. flash himself said that luxurys strength was allin type plays. it has worked in the past for some, and its not doing bad for lux, but just look at the big z's throughout history. you have july as a cheesy player, then you have gorush savior jaedong as almost pure management players. julys the exception there. but i wasnt commenting on the viability of luxury's style in general, just saying that jangbi is well equipped to counter such a style.
Actually, I've always thought that zergs do less gimmicky stuff than other races in general. Mainly because zergs seem to benefit the most from their final tier tech. Heck, once you get through early game all-ins, which EVERY race has an abundance of, all zergs really do is turtle. Both muta harass and lurker tech epitomizes this until hive tech kicks in.
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Jangbi's got a pretty bland style of PvZ. Just the same standard 1/2 sair into zeal archon timing every game. Luxury has a pretty bland style of ZvP.
I don't care how great they are against T, I think it'll be a dissapointing series.
Hoping Nada can at least take some games from Jangbi though..
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On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong
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Luxury seems to be doing pretty well on this star leagues thing. Maybe he will get a good nickname if he wins one of these?
Edit: PS: Leta is not an S class player.
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WOW, I did not expect luxury to win. This a pleasant surprise and will hopefully shut up the Leta fans. As JohnBall said Leta is no where near S-Class, he might be a good A-class player but he won't ever be an S-Class player.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2009 23:01 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 22:53 IdrA wrote:On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong hardly the people who said flash was a huge favorite were right. the people who said savior was a huge favorite were right. (guess that ones a bit more arguable since bisu had already shown signs of brilliance before that match, but not enough to tip him vs the 80% zvp rapingeverythingonthefaceoftheearth savior) a good prediction is not judged by the outcome, it is judged by what the prediction is founded on. a random newbie who says 'lolol piano gonna rape flash' is not a genius, he made a baseless prediction that would never have been remembered had he been wrong. now if a woongjin member had said 'piano noticed the current tvt tend towards vulture tank and has a really abusive counter build for it, and flash has limited practice time and so wont be prepared for such a designed build, so piano will win' that would be a good prediction, whether piano won or not, because given those circumstances it was likely piano could win and the predicted was founded on good reasoning. just like calling savior over bisu was founded on good logic and jangbi>lux is a good call because jangbi is the better player with a beastly, very solid sound pvz while lux is often reliant on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. as those dont tend to work well vs solid players and jangbi can certainly outplay him, of course jangbi is a heavy favorite. yeah cus the beastly, solid player always triumphs over the weakling who relies on gimmicky or overaggressive builds. Oh wait...
...are you trying to get banned?
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nice one luxury
this guy need more attention
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On March 01 2009 00:55 Solidus_315 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 22:33 nebffa wrote:People called Flash the favourite in a lot of things recently but then he got beaten by Piano in Winner's League. People called Savior the favourite in his MSL against Bisu but then he got beaten. So much analysis on statistics when we all need to chill out and take a deep breath. Take a look at the games Luxury and Jangbi have been playing lately. WATCH the games. Luxury was pretty cool in his all-kill on KHAN. Since then, has he showed the same blistering control? I'm not entirely sure. Then take a look at Jangbi, has he showed good play over the past month? Yeah I really think he has. He hasn't all-killed but he has done some pretty uber face-powning if you ask a newb like me. Regardless, to call people clear favourites??? Luxury is a pretty good Zerg as Zergs go, and Jangbi is a pretty good Protoss as Protosses go. Don't count anyone out cause at the end of the day, you're going to look like a n00bie when you're wrong
I think he means the GOM TV famous 3-0, not the group game from this season.
But if you bolded for another reason, dw .
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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
OMG LUX GOGOOGOGOGOGOG
on a side note
wtf Leta?
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How did Leta lose G4 except by not defending against the mutas well enough?
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On February 28 2009 20:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
okay, hold on
people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck?
You used to be a Jangbi hater. What happened to you
Anyways, I'm hoping for a Lux vs Nada finals. Pleaseeeeee make this happen. Since Savior is out Lux deserves a title, or Nada getting one for the sake of old school players.
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I was tired of all the Leta hype. Glad Lux took him down.
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Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next.
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Lux vs Zero could actually be a good series. You never know what you're getting into with a zvz, but zero has shown strength in that MU recently.
I expect Jangbi would walk all over either player though, if he makes it to the finals.
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On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next.
wait
8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating?
wut
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
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Yay, 2 for 2
And more Zergs = win
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On March 01 2009 04:19 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next. wait 8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating? wut
who were the opponents?
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On March 01 2009 05:38 iloveHieu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 04:19 Sunyveil wrote:On March 01 2009 04:01 mog87 wrote:
Simple.. Jangbi= better player, Jangbi PvZ= okay/somewhere between good and average, Luxury's ZvP=average at best, thus it is easy to see why Jangbi is the favorite. And as other's point out Jangbi has been hot lately, well hes been hot for like a year now, and Luxury eh..not really but I guess hes still in both starleagues, but I guess its easier when you dont have to carry a team (poor Flash), which coincidentally is what Jangbi is doing these days, since FBH is slumping, and Stork concentrating on his starleague matches.
I went off on a tangent but Id predict 3-1 for Jangbi, or Nada, or whoever the hell luxury is playing next. wait 8-2 in his last 10 ZvPs is average at best, in an era where protoss has been dominating? wut who were the opponents?
Well let me take a look here, he has 2 wins and 1 loss against Kal. Thats pretty good. A win against Jangbi, thats impressive. Same with a win against Stork. A win against Bisu, however it must be noted he 5 pooled this game. A loss against Best, which isn't terrible. And 2 wins against Yoonjong and a win against Jaehoon. So 5-2 against the dragons and 3-0 against weaker players.
The TLPD is a nice feature to look this stuff up.
How has Jangbi done in his last 10 vs Z? He is 6-4 and has a lost to Luxury himself. He couldn't even beat Yarnc his usual whipping boy. He has some decent wins, such as Zero and Effort, but its not like he beat Jaedong or July recently.
So honestly looking at these statistics who the hell has Jangbi beaten recently and who were his opponents? Luxury is in the ro8 in boths leagues, but unlike Stork he is looking solid in all 3 matchups and playing very well. In my opinion, the people who come into this thread and just claim he is bad and zvp and Jangbi is a better player without giving any backup are grossly underestimating his skill.
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I'm very impressed with Luxury (KTF_Practice)! He's supposedly not quite as good as Jaedong, but he's into the semi-finals in the MSL and into the quarter-finals in OSL. While his technique and APM < Jaedong perhaps, but he showed amazing tenacity (comeback in game 4 while in a bad position and down 2-1), and also craftiness (completely faked out Leta with his Hydra Den to Spire to Mutas trick).
Go Luxury!
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Wow firts zerg after Savior which could make in 2 leagues. OSL Ro8 and MSL semis !
Gratz
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On March 01 2009 04:39 Bifur wrote:
Leta is overrated Flash fans say Leta is overrated.
Leta fans don't care.
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oh yeah leta loses
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United States12607 Posts
I just watched this entire series and I have to say, though it was five games and the momentum shifted back and forth many times, this match was pretty garbage. Sets 2 and 3 were decided by pathetic play from one or the other player, and none of sets 1, 4, or 5 produced any exciting lategame ZvT. As a viewer, I was disappointed.
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On March 01 2009 07:01 Zozma wrote:Flash fans say Leta is overrated. Leta fans don't care.
I love Flash and am indifferent to Leta, but I think Leta is approximately properly rated now that he's actually had to play top players in league situations (instead of Proleague romping which means nothing).
Leta was briefly overrated because of his great record (classic example of focusing too much on the stats) and PR #1. He's now shown that he is definitely a top 3 Terran along with Flash and probably ForGG, and that he has the balls to make headway in the Starleagues. He stole a BO3 from Flash in brilliant fashion and arguably should have beaten Lux in this series.
I don't see Leta overtaking Flash (my bias is probably clouding this opinion a little bit, though Flash's raw talent seems very difficult to definitively surpass) but he looks like the first legitimate candidate to be consistently the "#2 Terran" for a long time (Mind, ForGG, FBH, Fantasy, etc., have all had their moments in this spot over the past year or so). I think Leta's going to be very good for a very long time.
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luxuryyyyyyyyyy! avenge your teammate hell yes
even though I like leta but dammit he cheesed flash
what is slightly more unfortunate though is now leta's out of both leagues oh well this one was karma, the other one was FAIL
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The games are kind of weak. 3 wins from 3 all ins. If I am Leta, I would be pissed too.
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I would feel pretty retarded too if I made two bunkers to deter lurkers but mutalisks flew into my main.
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On February 28 2009 19:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2009 19:05 CDRdude wrote:On February 28 2009 19:04 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, Luxury sure played terribly. Did you miss the economy damage he took from the wraiths? He was forced into hydras because he didn't know what leta was doing, just that he has a lot of wraiths. 3rax mnm is the standard after a 2 port wraith. Those scourge made no sense to me. He made the hydra den but got no hydras. He tried to break Leta instead of concentrating on his economy, and he didn't have enough overlords with him during the break. He also tried it again instead of powering drones. Etc.
Those sourgess are defense against wraiths and for scouting purposes.
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Wow... I turned this off and went to bed after set 3 because Leta was just completely outplaying Luxury. And the cameras on leta after set2 were hilarious lol
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Zerg vs Protoss finals, I can't wait. Better than seeing the same PvP finals over and over again.
Luxury played great winning with more than just mechanics. 5 pool on an obvious early mech build. Lurker allin knowing he was going to lose if he didn't. 2 hatch lurker fake to muta. He deserves to advance over Zero.
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Yea hes 8-2 in his last zvp, but 8 of them were played over a month ago. Beating Stork...isnt exactly the most telling of his zvp skills, and 5 pooling Bisu..meh. His ZvP still isnt great and that fact remains...compounding those other issues makes Jangbi the favorite, no one is saying luxury has 0% chance.
And please enlighten me, because I suck at this game, how this godly player luxury was able to 5 pool an obviously early mech build...because zerg starts his pool at 5, at which point terran hasnt even a barracks. I dunno sounds like you are giving him too credit..especially for a 5 pool. And I dont see how gimmicky builds make one more deserving to advance then a straight up player. Personally, I think if you fool someone, then clearly they can lose, but if you can dictate the game regardless of the opponents awareness then you are more likely to win, as you cant fool the opponent every time. Therefore solid play is more important in the long run.
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EDIT: Crap wrong thread. My bad >.<
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On March 01 2009 14:00 mog87 wrote:
Yea hes 8-2 in his last zvp, but 8 of them were played over a month ago. Beating Stork...isnt exactly the most telling of his zvp skills, and 5 pooling Bisu..meh. His ZvP still isnt great and that fact remains...compounding those other issues makes Jangbi the favorite, no one is saying luxury has 0% chance.
And please enlighten me, because I suck at this game, how this godly player luxury was able to 5 pool an obviously early mech build...because zerg starts his pool at 5, at which point terran hasnt even a barracks. I dunno sounds like you are giving him too credit..especially for a 5 pool. And I dont see how gimmicky builds make one more deserving to advance then a straight up player. Personally, I think if you fool someone, then clearly they can lose, but if you can dictate the game regardless of the opponents awareness then you are more likely to win, as you cant fool the opponent every time. Therefore solid play is more important in the long run.
Mech builds are very popular on Destination, and are arguably more powerful on Destination than bio builds due to characteristics of the map. Leta has also beaten down Luxury on Destination twice before, both times using tricky wraith builds. He's also used tricky builds vs. different zerg players on Destination as well, so it isn't really a far stretch to say that Luxury was expecting Leta to use some kind of fast tech build in the form of mech or wraiths.
Leta is arguably the more "gimmicky" player when it comes to TvZ than Luxury in ZvT anyway.
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On March 06 2009 01:00 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 14:00 mog87 wrote:
Yea hes 8-2 in his last zvp, but 8 of them were played over a month ago. Beating Stork...isnt exactly the most telling of his zvp skills, and 5 pooling Bisu..meh. His ZvP still isnt great and that fact remains...compounding those other issues makes Jangbi the favorite, no one is saying luxury has 0% chance.
And please enlighten me, because I suck at this game, how this godly player luxury was able to 5 pool an obviously early mech build...because zerg starts his pool at 5, at which point terran hasnt even a barracks. I dunno sounds like you are giving him too credit..especially for a 5 pool. And I dont see how gimmicky builds make one more deserving to advance then a straight up player. Personally, I think if you fool someone, then clearly they can lose, but if you can dictate the game regardless of the opponents awareness then you are more likely to win, as you cant fool the opponent every time. Therefore solid play is more important in the long run. Mech builds are very popular on Destination, and are arguably more powerful on Destination than bio builds due to characteristics of the map. Leta has also beaten down Luxury on Destination twice before, both times using tricky wraith builds. He's also used tricky builds vs. different zerg players on Destination as well, so it isn't really a far stretch to say that Luxury was expecting Leta to use some kind of fast tech build in the form of mech or wraiths. Leta is arguably the more "gimmicky" player when it comes to TvZ than Luxury in ZvT anyway.
Yea, I guess, but I was responding the notion proposed by an earlier poster that because luxury did these types of builds that he deserves to advance over Zero, I think leta is pretty gimmicky as well. And as for the 5 pool that very may well have been the case, but would a 5 pool mostly like have fucked him up if he was was playing standard as well, seems more like he was taking a risk thinking either I win up front or lose up front as opposed to lose later on.
Either way the original point still stands the most people would have jangbi as the fav.
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