On February 21 2009 18:35 brotlov wrote: Wait, did I miss something, why does it say on YaoYuan that JangBi is versing "CuteAngel" I thought he was versing FrOzean?
On February 21 2009 18:35 brotlov wrote: Wait, did I miss something, why does it say on YaoYuan that JangBi is versing "CuteAngel" I thought he was versing FrOzean?
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On February 21 2009 18:41 SaveYourSavior wrote: Any of the links work?
none of them working too well for me..
Daum Sports will definitely work in IE, you just have to keep refreshing it until you get a good stream. A good stream typically buffers nearly instantly.
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Hells yeah :D
Then he can take out JangBi and win 4 MSLs!
AHHHHHHH, Only NaDa can bring Gryff out of the woodwork!
HEY BUDDY WHATS UP????
:D Just here to watch NaDa pwn tempest and see the other games! Hope we get to see some good ones!
Another attack on Nada's nat, first wave is held off, tanks are stormed, only 2 vultures and 2 tanks left for nada, Archons morphing, lots of zealots incoming.
On February 21 2009 18:55 Jayme wrote: Tempest becoming the next Best, only way riskier.
Actually what Tempest did wasn't too risky. You can argue that his control and decision making lacks of progamer level, but his expansion timing and macro is S-Class.
On February 21 2009 19:09 LosingID8 wrote: imo in this situation you can't really call a bunker rush a cheese since it's merely a reaction to the protoss doing a super greedy build
Depends if he had planned on doing it before he knew 12 nex though
I was taking the dog out and missed the first minute or two though T_T
On February 21 2009 19:09 LosingID8 wrote: imo in this situation you can't really call a bunker rush a cheese since it's merely a reaction to the protoss doing a super greedy build
Depends if he had planned on doing it before he knew 12 nex though
I was taking the dog out and missed the first minute or two though T_T
Nada only moved out with 3 Marines and 2 SCV's after he spotted the 12 nexus, seems entirely reactionary to me.
That was a stupid attack, Nada was fully seiged up on the high ground with a mind field in front.
Not only does Tempest proceed to lose TWO arbiters needlessly but he basically A-moves right into the tank line. The one good stasis he DID get off protected Nada's tanks from the zealots...
alright so Frozean vs. Jangbi. I don't think I've ever been so convinced that a player has no chance of winning two games in a row as I am about Frozean now.
So... I really really like Jangbi, He's far and away my favorite protoss.
I would still laugh extremely hard if Frozen somehow won 2 games in a row. It's not happening which is the only reason I can laugh while thinking it I believe.
How did so many shitty players get to the ro16... Tempest looks good compared to Frozean and Kwanro, and Kwanro might be the worst player to ever make a ro8 if Stork keeps slumping it up.
jangbi will destroy frozean... it would be the biggest surprise of the evening if frozean would be able to swing this match into his favor. i really don't see that happen.
On February 21 2009 19:32 Jayme wrote: So... I really really like Jangbi, He's far and away my favorite protoss.
I would still laugh extremely hard of Frozen somehow won 2 games in a row. It's not happening which is the only reason I can laugh while thinking it I believe.
well it's still fairly unpredictable due to the nature of intra-team matches. of course jangbi is better at PvT than frozen is at TvP but in game 1 frozen was actually doing really well until jangbi got off that stasis -_-;
On February 21 2009 19:33 jhNz wrote: jangbi will destroy frozean... it would be the biggest surprise of the evening if frozean would be able to swing this match into his favor. i really don't see that happen.
well i think he can at least put up a fight he sometimes does so against strong oponents at the end he of course loses
I think the fact that Savior is rejuvenized that it's affecting Nada. I think as long as MJY keeps winning, Nada will also will himself to win. The stars are starting to align for the greatest MSL ever. NaDa vs sAviOr.
Frozean is actually pretty good at TvP although people just disregard him as crap. He's a lot better at it than someone like Sea.Really imo. Well, he still won't be winning but.
On February 21 2009 19:37 Shikyo wrote: Frozean is actually pretty good at TvP although people just disregard him as crap. He's a lot better at it than someone like Sea.Really imo. Well, he still won't be winning but.
Isn't Frozen like the MSL version of Rock? The guy makes EVERY single Ro16 and then gets brutally torn apart.
On February 21 2009 19:37 Shikyo wrote: Frozean is actually pretty good at TvP although people just disregard him as crap. He's a lot better at it than someone like Sea.Really imo. Well, he still won't be winning but.
are you out of your mind ?! really is fuckin great tvp-er
On February 21 2009 19:36 CZ4A wrote: I think the fact that Savior is rejuvenized that it's affecting Nada. I think as long as MJY keeps winning, Nada will also will himself to win. The stars are starting to align for the greatest MSL ever. NaDa vs sAviOr.
On February 21 2009 19:36 CZ4A wrote: I think the fact that Savior is rejuvenized that it's affecting Nada. I think as long as MJY keeps winning, Nada will also will himself to win. The stars are starting to align for the greatest MSL ever. NaDa vs sAviOr.
On February 21 2009 19:40 amorpheus wrote: anything can happen at a teammate game as i come to think of it
exactly... they know each other so well that it's a factor to think frozen can actually take this.
Except that Jangbi is almost invincible offline and has the best record in the Samsung house. No way Jangbi can lose this, even 12 nex vs bbs since Jangbi can even win vs that.
On February 21 2009 19:40 amorpheus wrote: anything can happen at a teammate game as i come to think of it
exactly... they know each other so well that it's a factor to think frozen can actually take this.
Except that Jangbi is almost invincible offline and has the best record in the Samsung house. No way Jangbi can lose this, even 12 nex vs bbs since Jangbi can even win vs that.
On February 21 2009 19:37 Shikyo wrote: Frozean is actually pretty good at TvP although people just disregard him as crap. He's a lot better at it than someone like Sea.Really imo. Well, he still won't be winning but.
are you out of your mind ?! really is fuckin great tvp-er
Lifetime 35%? Wow, requirements for "great" sure have dropped.
On February 21 2009 19:51 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I miss carriers... haven't seen many since Katrina left the pool
Flash scared Protoss out of using Carriers obviously. In all seriousness I really haven't seen them much at all lately. Additionally maps have had a rather wide open center lately which doesn't really steer toward Carrier play.
I was watching Xellos fpvod with Jangbi yesterday, gotta say that Jangbi's PvT sense is so damm good, Stork gave him a few lessons before he started to "slump" it seems.
sigh, only kwanro vs stork can actually be a good series anymore... unless something miraclous happens in this ZvZ. At least the players are pretty good.
On February 21 2009 20:08 yenta wrote: Why is jangbi crying?
What is it with people always saying pro-gamers were crying? As someone pointed out earlier, this is a perfectly normal reaction of the eyes after concentrating on the screen for such a long time, blinking a lot less than normally.
On February 21 2009 20:08 yenta wrote: Why is jangbi crying?
What is it with people always saying pro-gamers were crying? As someone pointed out earlier, this is a perfectly normal reaction of the eyes after concentrating on the screen for such a long time, blinking a lot less than normally.
... Want to know why?
The explanation that the lack of blinking is causing tearing up of the eyes is far more boring than the possibility of some torrid love affair between the two.
This is NaDa's MSL to lose. The only one with a slight chance of taking it away from him is sAviOr, in the finals. But only very tiny small chance at that.
just a question. do they ever get upgrades in zvz? muta attack or something like that? that could be the game winning factor or is the gas too precious to get an upgradE?
holy shit i have 1000 posts... didn't even notice that beforehand.
On February 21 2009 20:24 amorpheus wrote: zero will annihilate savior if it comes to that savior still has a good zvz but zero is on another level
What... I'm going to have to disagree with this. The only zerg that's on another level in ZvZ is Jaedong.
Savior Luxury and Zero can all be tossed up at the moment though.
Not to mention Savior beat Zero in the MSL group stage last month (very easily too). I don't see Savior losing a ZvZ BO5 where experience and mind games are really really really going to matter.
On February 21 2009 20:24 amorpheus wrote: zero will annihilate savior if it comes to that savior still has a good zvz but zero is on another level
your kidding right? We're talking about Savior, the guy who won tons of ZvZ and played against the KING of ZvZ chojja.
yeah 2 years ago
yes because in 2 years Starcraft has changed so much that ZvZ is unrecognizable.
lulz.
game is evolving fanboyism is not
It has little to do with fanboyism. ZvZ in the past 2 years (IE when Savior was GOOD) hasn't really changed much at all.
That and recently Savior has been playing extremely good ZvZ, he did beat Zero to get into the Ro16 after all. ZerO has good ZvZ, but it is not another level above Savior, that's a crazy claim.
So much telepathysts and clairvoyants in this thread. If you already know who will win in Savior vs Zero (not mentioned that zero hasn't advanced yet), maybe you know who will be the next USA president?
On February 21 2009 20:42 Realpenguin wrote: ZEEEEEROOOOOO
rofl xD
but that was an interesting game... first i thought zero would definitly lose after he pulled his drones to defend the first wave of lings. but his counter attack was the perfect decision.
On February 21 2009 20:42 jhNz wrote: this was a demonstration how to win a zvz without a spire
iccup is also a good place for that... T_T
Game of the night incoming? Hope so, since these games haven't been too good.
i'm no zerg player and i never played a zvz on iccup but i definitly believe that too but on pro level you almost never see a game like that. at least i haven't seen much tbh ^^
On February 21 2009 20:42 jhNz wrote: this was a demonstration how to win a zvz without a spire
no it was a demonstration on how to fuckup against a ling allin on cross positions with a fuckin overlord in his main ^^
Huh? How could he have done better? Yarnc went for the tech build, 9 pool w/ gas into speed into Lair. Zero went for 12 pool into expansion. Zero turned the build order advantage into a textbook win. Nothing Yarnc could do when his first attack failed.
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
Wow, that's really insightful and interesting. Thanks for translating that.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
Wow. Thank you. Its pretty "disturbing" how in depth progamers are into that game. I mean like "2 hydras difference" .. or when we heard about HwaSin counting Jaedongs drones to know if he has lings. Thats pretty sick! I love progamers :D!
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
...
Thanks Nal_Ra for humbling everyone with your amazing explanation. I do NOT think like that when I kill a zerg drone.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
Geez. It never fails to surprise me how in-depth these analysis go.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
wait wtf
why would you be surprised that nal_ra has deep insight into pvz
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
What did you expect, they cover hundreds of matches, it's only logical for them to try and get better at their job.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
What did you expect, they cover hundreds of matches, it's only logical for them to try and get better at their job.
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
What did you expect, they cover hundreds of matches, it's only logical for them to try and get better at their job.
It's Nal_Ra............. I am speechless, do you not know who that is?!
On February 21 2009 20:56 LosingID8 wrote: analysis of stork vs kwanro by nal_ra:
stork thought that kwanro would not go all-in hydra rush because kwanro lost a drone. if he hadn't killed that drone he would have been more prepared. the difference in 1 drone is 10 and 12 hydras at that timing. nal_ra said that he practiced that situation on bnet and said that if it is 10 hydras vs 3 cannons 1 goon and a couple zealots you can block it 100% if you pull your probes properly, but stork made a mistake because his corsair didn't give him vision of minerals so he couldn't mineral-click with probes, leading to his loss.
damm i knew that these commentators were good, but didn't know they had such deep insight into game.
wait wtf
why would you be surprised that nal_ra has deep insight into pvz
i was talking about overall level of commentating, not this particular one.
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Storks main is nearly mined out but he has a healthy supply of HT with his Zealots now, the next Hydra attack should by all accounts be annihilated. He needs a 3rd pretty soon though.
Wtf kwanro played like me that game. "Hmm I'll keep on getting more hydras, no wait, gotta get drones, nah, more hydras, nah I want a few more drones, no, I want some more hydras, nah, I'll just fill my bases with drones now *attack comes and I die*"
why doesnt stork just cannon fe and build like 10 cannons everywhere for earlygame? i mean once game hits 10 minute mark, kwanro is gonna lose for sure...
On February 21 2009 21:19 damenmofa wrote: why doesnt stork just cannon fe and build like 10 cannons everywhere for earlygame? i mean once game hits 10 minute mark, kwanro is gonna lose for sure...
On February 21 2009 21:18 Shikyo wrote: Wtf kwanro played like me that game. "Hmm I'll keep on getting more hydras, no wait, gotta get drones, nah, more hydras, nah I want a few more drones, no, I want some more hydras, nah, I'll just fill my bases with drones now *attack comes and I die*"
Yeah he threw up a bunch of hatches right as stork was moving his army across the map too.
On February 21 2009 21:18 Shikyo wrote: Wtf kwanro played like me that game. "Hmm I'll keep on getting more hydras, no wait, gotta get drones, nah, more hydras, nah I want a few more drones, no, I want some more hydras, nah, I'll just fill my bases with drones now *attack comes and I die*"
Yeah he threw up a bunch of hatches right as stork was moving his army across the map too.
Yeah, this is what normally happens to me in ZvP ;_;
Haha. OH MY GOD I've never seen such a smile on Stork's face. That was awesome.
On February 21 2009 21:19 damenmofa wrote: why doesnt stork just cannon fe and build like 10 cannons everywhere for earlygame? i mean once game hits 10 minute mark, kwanro is gonna lose for sure...
I believe FE is not a good option because of the lack of mineral patches at the natural.
On February 21 2009 21:19 damenmofa wrote: why doesnt stork just cannon fe and build like 10 cannons everywhere for earlygame? i mean once game hits 10 minute mark, kwanro is gonna lose for sure...
I believe FE is not a good option because of the lack of mineral patches at the natural.
That, and Stork seems to suck at FE.
FE isn't a good option on a map with a reverse ramp and long rush distance? Wow...
Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
On February 21 2009 21:29 GinNtoniC wrote: Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
On February 21 2009 21:29 GinNtoniC wrote: Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
On February 21 2009 21:29 GinNtoniC wrote: Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
1a2a3a
haha you can totally accuse Stork of merely 1a2a3aing when he doesnt even have gateway units yet
On February 21 2009 21:29 GinNtoniC wrote: Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
1a2a3a
I thought Manifesto and others specifically stated they'd ban people for blunt comments like this.
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Kwanro is by far the most entertaining Zerg player aside from Jeadong and Savior just because anything he does is EPIC
the 5hatch build Kwanro's pulling now just happens to be the best thing he can do against what storks doing. Kwanro looking good, despite the failed rush
On February 21 2009 21:34 Jayme wrote: 3 base 5 hatchery for Kwanro, this.. I have no idea what this will be, contain maybe? He didn't pump mutalisks with his spire.
On February 21 2009 21:29 GinNtoniC wrote: Serves you right Kwanro. Honestly, I mean, aggresive play is refreshing usually. Just watch July. But doing the same thing over and over and over again because you can't do anything else. That earns you the boot out of this MSL.
1a2a3a
That doesn't even make sense he only had 12 lings.
This 5 hatch all-in is going to fail epically, stork has HT out now and most likely storm.. across a nearly single file bridge? It's going to rain Hydralisk blood.
On February 21 2009 21:34 Jayme wrote: 3 base 5 hatchery for Kwanro, this.. I have no idea what this will be, contain maybe? He didn't pump mutalisks with his spire.
Kwanro is depressingly horrible. Why didn't he fake drop after that -_-;; Why no muta switch, why no 4. base, why no all in lings instead of a dumb ling break, why no runby -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Why are progamers so stupid sometimes.
Nice Ro8 games first bo5 zvz in forever Leta vs Lux ex teammates know each other well Janbi vs Nada Crazy storms Forgg vs Stork these two always make great games when they face each other
honestly wtf, a midgame switch to mutas would have easily secured him the game, he had the economic advantage and stork didnt have enough gas to cope with muta + hydra
On February 21 2009 21:42 darktreb wrote: After watching this travesty I gotta say Stork just might be the easiest possible finalist opponent for the Maestro.
I might agree. Actually, Nada might be a bit easier but if Nada turns out to be good enough to beat Jangbi then he's gonna be pumped. Zero wouldn't be easier than Stork if for no other reason but ZvZ is less predictable. And Jangbi's playing better for sure at this point.
On February 21 2009 21:42 darktreb wrote: After watching this travesty I gotta say Stork just might be the easiest possible finalist opponent for the Maestro.
I might agree. Actually, Nada might be a bit easier but if Nada turns out to be good enough to beat Jangbi then he's gonna be pumped. Zero wouldn't be easier than Stork if for no other reason but ZvZ is less predictable. And Jangbi's playing better for sure at this point.
Saviors play versus bio terran has largely been untested. He's shown he can generally destroy a mech terran but a bio terran late game we have no idea. ... Nada has very very good bio play...
On February 21 2009 21:42 darktreb wrote: After watching this travesty I gotta say Stork just might be the easiest possible finalist opponent for the Maestro.
I might agree. Actually, Nada might be a bit easier but if Nada turns out to be good enough to beat Jangbi then he's gonna be pumped. Zero wouldn't be easier than Stork if for no other reason but ZvZ is less predictable. And Jangbi's playing better for sure at this point.
nada's TvZ would 100% not be easier than stork's PvZ
All the people who are saying that Kwanro is a bad player / he is noob are retarded ... . The only bad move he made was not microing his army in the center well in that big encounter , he could have made it more even ... In the first game thought wasting most of his mutas was pretty bad after he got the advantage ...
On February 21 2009 21:42 darktreb wrote: After watching this travesty I gotta say Stork just might be the easiest possible finalist opponent for the Maestro.
I might agree. Actually, Nada might be a bit easier but if Nada turns out to be good enough to beat Jangbi then he's gonna be pumped. Zero wouldn't be easier than Stork if for no other reason but ZvZ is less predictable. And Jangbi's playing better for sure at this point.
Actually Savior plays Zero now because for some reason they played 3 parts of 1 side of the bracket and 1 part of the other, and then flipped it, on the two nights. The fourth possible finalist from the Stork-Jangbi-Nada side is ForGG, who is definitely a force to be reckoned with, especially in a BO5.
How RIDICULOUS would it be if ForGG ended up winning this MSL? It would be like the most out of nowhere multiple starleague winner of all time.
On February 21 2009 21:48 amorpheus wrote: this looks like jangbi's msl
Agreed, he is one tier ahead of all the players in the tourney. Id be surprised if Nada even takes a game from him, and forgg/stork cannot touch Jangbi. Jangbi will also handle whoever manages to come out in the finals. Its about time Jangbi won a starleague.
On February 21 2009 21:42 darktreb wrote: After watching this travesty I gotta say Stork just might be the easiest possible finalist opponent for the Maestro.
I might agree. Actually, Nada might be a bit easier but if Nada turns out to be good enough to beat Jangbi then he's gonna be pumped. Zero wouldn't be easier than Stork if for no other reason but ZvZ is less predictable. And Jangbi's playing better for sure at this point.
Actually Savior plays Zero now because for some reason they played 3 parts of 1 side of the bracket and 1 part of the other, and then flipped it, on the two nights. The fourth possible finalist from the Stork-Jangbi-Nada side is ForGG, who is definitely a force to be reckoned with, especially in a BO5.
How RIDICULOUS would it be if ForGG ended up winning this MSL? It would be like the most out of nowhere multiple starleague winner of all time.
Yeah I messed that up I thought the winners tonight made up one half of the bracket.
On February 21 2009 21:48 amorpheus wrote: this looks like jangbi's msl
Agreed, he is one tier ahead of all the players in the tourney. Id be surprised if Nada even takes a game from him, and forgg/stork cannot touch Jangbi. Jangbi will also handle whoever manages to come out in the finals. Its about time Jangbi won a starleague.
Stork can touch Jangbi. I'd favor Jangbi, but the usual in-house unpredictability comes into play with those two in a way that it doesn't for Frozean although I hear Jangbi wins almost always when they practice together.
Fun fact: ForGG is 3-0 in BO5's lifetime winning over Kal (3-2), Flash (3-1), and JD (3-0). As much as the words "two time MSL champion ForGG" cause me to shudder, I think everyone might be underestimating his chances here.
Lol Stork vs. ForGG. I'm pretty confident Stork will make the ro4 - forgg is the player id favor him most against out of the 7 possible. Even in this minislup he's 7 of his last 10 in pvt including a win over ForGG. And who can forget this game, probably the funniest game I've ever seen:
On February 21 2009 21:53 darktreb wrote: Fun fact: ForGG is 3-0 in BO5's lifetime winning over Kal (3-2), Flash (3-1), and JD (3-0). As much as the words "two time MSL champion ForGG" cause me to shudder, I think everyone might be underestimating his chances here.
On February 21 2009 21:53 darktreb wrote: Fun fact: ForGG is 3-0 in BO5's lifetime winning over Kal (3-2), Flash (3-1), and JD (3-0). As much as the words "two time MSL champion ForGG" cause me to shudder, I think everyone might be underestimating his chances here.
He's also 0-2 in series against Stork
Good point.
Question: Who lost in the Stork vs Kwanro series? + Show Spoiler +
On February 21 2009 21:55 BWdero wrote: Looks like a Leta vs Jangbi finals is coming up.
That would be good. And I dont think anyone could say either of them dont deserve it. Would be good to see Jangbi win a gold, although Im sure Stork is trying to persuade him to beat his silver record.
On February 21 2009 21:48 amorpheus wrote: this looks like jangbi's msl
Agreed, he is one tier ahead of all the players in the tourney. Id be surprised if Nada even takes a game from him, and forgg/stork cannot touch Jangbi. Jangbi will also handle whoever manages to come out in the finals. Its about time Jangbi won a starleague.
Stork can touch Jangbi. I'd favor Jangbi, but the usual in-house unpredictability comes into play with those two in a way that it doesn't for Frozean although I hear Jangbi wins almost always when they practice together.
In the interview during Incruit Stork said that Jangbi was winning 100% of their matches during his slump caused by the double Flash trashing, but recently they are about even. However, now Stork is far below his Incruit form, so I'd say it's gonna be easy win for Jangbi if they met.
On February 21 2009 21:53 darktreb wrote: Fun fact: ForGG is 3-0 in BO5's lifetime winning over Kal (3-2), Flash (3-1), and JD (3-0). As much as the words "two time MSL champion ForGG" cause me to shudder, I think everyone might be underestimating his chances here.
Those lifetime BO5's all came during the same MSL.. so in and of itself that doesn't mean much.
Kal isn't exactly known for his PvT like Stork is, Flash wasn't anywhere near the form he is currently showing and ... Jaedong... well I don't know what to say about Jaedong in that series.
I don't think it's really indicative of anything seeing as ForGG all but fell off the radar after his MSL win.
I was just ROFL at those shots on his face while he obliterated Kwanro. It's like he couldn't believe how Kwanro gift-wrapped both games to him and was smiling like a kid on Christmas.
On February 21 2009 21:55 BWdero wrote: Looks like a Leta vs Jangbi finals is coming up.
God I hope not, that may just be residual bitterness from the whole Flash thing but I really hope that Luxury knocks him out.
If he runs into Savior in the Ro4 he's going to have to play bio though, would be interesting to see. ZerO he could probably still get away with mech.
Yeah I'd prefer Flash too but Leta's TvZ is something else. Could lux knock him out? Possible, but Leta completely owned lux last time they met so I wouldn't put my money on him. Can Savior defeat him? I want to say yes, but MYJ looked abysmal in game 2 vs upmagic and game 3 was a lucky BO win so I'm not sure. Zero? He's got lots of potential but I don't think he's ready for a finals.
All in all Leta is looking in good shape to win his first starleague medal. (a silver one that is, cause he's not gonna beat Jangbi)
Then again upsets do happen so anything is possible. Nada vs Savior finals gogogogogo.
On February 21 2009 21:48 amorpheus wrote: this looks like jangbi's msl
Agreed, he is one tier ahead of all the players in the tourney. Id be surprised if Nada even takes a game from him, and forgg/stork cannot touch Jangbi. Jangbi will also handle whoever manages to come out in the finals. Its about time Jangbi won a starleague.
Stork can touch Jangbi. I'd favor Jangbi, but the usual in-house unpredictability comes into play with those two in a way that it doesn't for Frozean although I hear Jangbi wins almost always when they practice together.
I think the biggest threat to Jangbi are the zergs. But they're on the other side of the bracket so he won't play more than one of them at the final by that. And he played some very solid pvzs recently so ...
I believe the only player left who is capable of beating JangBi is Stork. As much as I wish NaDa would make it all the way, I don't think he can deal with both Jangbi and Stork on this side of the bracket.
On February 21 2009 22:28 Malinor wrote: I believe the only player left who is capable of beating JangBi is Stork. As much as I wish NaDa would make it all the way, I don't think he can deal with both Jangbi and Stork on this side of the bracket.
I think Savior could beat Jangbi too, so I hope he gets eliminated by whoever
Jangbi vs Nada will prolly be epic, or some one sided reaver rapage by jangbi. Damn kwanro he shoulda dominated stork. Hell he had a deceint shot of making a finals especially if Jangbi beat Nada.
Zero vs Savior - well both of them are NOT ZvZ gods so whoever will stand quarterfinal pressure better - wins. I'm not Savoir fan but I want him to go to Ro4.
Leta vs Luxury - I don't know mates. It's hard to predict Leta - he's never been that far before. And Luxury can play only 2 ways - freaking sloppy or just awesome. I'll bet on Leta though.
Jangbi vs Nada - It's gonna hard time for Nada, he'll definitely need to bring his A-game to even try to compete with Jangbi. No offence to Nada, but his 2 game with Tempest was awful - sooo late 2nd factory... Still I don't think Nada will deliver.
Stork vs ForGG - the only matchup i'll never doubt the winner. It should be Stork anyway anytime. I mean - Stork can be on a slump of whatever but he'll NEVER lose Bo3 or Bo5 to ForGG. That's just impossible. No bad feelings - I like ForGG, but to beat Stork he needs not only best game he can provide as of now, he needs micro much better than he has, or Stork will just annihilate him. Simple is that.
P.S. WTF with Liquibets? Shows Tempest beats Nada ))))
EPT
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