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Metallingus
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines468 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-08 11:45:08
February 08 2009 11:43 GMT
#1281
Edit: See Signet's post before mine RE: ELO.

On topic:

Expected a win from Bisu, better fortune next time JangBi.
Overcome all. Especially plateaus.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
February 08 2009 11:46 GMT
#1282
On February 08 2009 20:36 Rostam wrote:
bisus has been playing in top tier form but not bonjwa form....
bonjwas dont get eliminated from msl's and osl's ( if backho didnt get injured) by players like zero or great


Actually Savior kept getting eliminated during OSL offline prelims by players like Yooi. It wasn't televised though so no one really remembers that.
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
February 08 2009 11:48 GMT
#1283
On February 08 2009 20:46 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2009 20:36 Rostam wrote:
bisus has been playing in top tier form but not bonjwa form....
bonjwas dont get eliminated from msl's and osl's ( if backho didnt get injured) by players like zero or great


Actually Savior kept getting eliminated during OSL offline prelims by players like Yooi. It wasn't televised though so no one really remembers that.


I was gonna post that, so I guess I'll just have to be content with a quote.
I'll call Nada.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 08 2009 11:49 GMT
#1284
shine, saint etc
Terran & Potato Salad.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
February 08 2009 11:50 GMT
#1285
Anyway this was a really solid finals. Not epic as some, but game 3 in particular was very good. The fact that Bisu was able to hold off a 4-gate with a fast nexus build to win the series was unbelievable... I was getting ready for game 5 when that nex was placed. Brilliant defense!

Jangbi will get that title some day. He is unlucky to have run into the same bonjwa in consecutive finals
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-08 11:54:59
February 08 2009 11:54 GMT
#1286
On February 08 2009 20:40 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2009 20:36 Rostam wrote:
On February 08 2009 20:30 Simplistik wrote:
On February 08 2009 20:23 sung_moon wrote:
On February 08 2009 20:17 monstar123 wrote:
If Bisu will win OSL he will be Bonjwa


no he wont... bonjwas dominate for a good year- year and a half....

bisus has been playing in top tier form but not bonjwa form....
bonjwas dont get eliminated from msl's and osl's ( if backho didnt get injured) by players like zero or great


Well, well, well.
If Bonjwas don't get eliminated from OSL (where Bisu is in, in case you didn't notice) then how come all the previous Bonjwas only managed to win one OSL during their reign?

That's right. They DID get eliminated.


How many times during each respective bonjwa's periods of dominance were they eliminated from both major individual leagues?

I'm not entirely certain here, but I would guess the number is pretty low.

It's funny how a back injury can take us from "bisu is out of both starleagues" to "BISU 4 BONJWA!!!"


Tell me, how many scrubs have eliminated BoxeR from a starleague? How many titles does he have? How many people knew FBH before he creamed sAviOr? More importantly, since when is going 6-0 luck in a tournament embedded in OSL rules?




You're missing the point entirely. A bonjwa is someone who is the dominating player for a given period of time. How could he be the dominant player if he was out of both leagues? There'd be nothing left for him to win.

I'm not the one acting like the opponents' name value matters, so I don't see why you would even bring that up. And the "luck" was in BackHo's injury, not Bisu's performance. I'm just saying, if BackHo hadn't been injured then nobody would even be giving the slightest consideration to calling Bisu a bonjwa.


Show nested quote +
But the debate itself is pointless in my opinion, we're not the ones who are going to decide whether he's worth the title one way or another.


Troll bait + attempted moral high ground = fail


...moral high ground? I'm saying the Starcraft community is in Korea, if the Korean community remembers him as a top player that won a few starleagues and never achieved bonjwa status then TL's Bisu fanclub is not going to somehow convince them otherwise. I have no idea how you construed it the way you did.
BW forever || Thall
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
February 08 2009 11:56 GMT
#1287
I just rewatched that game 3, and tried to figure out why Bisu crushed Jangbi that easily.

1) +1 upgrade finished for him, giving his units a definite "cutting" edge.
2) Excellent storms. If you rewatch, the third storm, which is thrown into the middle of Jangbi's force, hits a BUNCH of zealots running through. Thus Jangbi's frontline is melting extremely fast.
3) Misposition with some goons at the bottom getting overrun by zealots while Bisu's goons were safely behind that Zealot wall. Some units also apparently kept on attacking the Nexus at 9, and others were headed for the natural as reinforcements.
4) Late unloading of Reavers and precise storming of their drop location.

All these factors converged to make a 190 vs. 180 battle turn into a 170 vs. 110 situation.
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 08 2009 11:59 GMT
#1288
Whats this Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 everyone is talking about?

Is it goms next event?
#1 Terran hater
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
February 08 2009 12:01 GMT
#1289
On February 08 2009 20:59 Highways wrote:
Whats this Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 everyone is talking about?

Is it goms next event?

on the 22nd they will supposedly have a match between the two season winners.

And that's Jaedong and Bisu!
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-08 12:06:27
February 08 2009 12:02 GMT
#1290
On February 08 2009 20:59 Highways wrote:
Whats this Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 everyone is talking about?

Is it goms next event?

yes, its gonna be on 22nd
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
February 08 2009 12:03 GMT
#1291
goms1 winner vs goms2 winner.

so...bisu vs bisu!
~
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-08 12:05:43
February 08 2009 12:05 GMT
#1292
On February 08 2009 21:02 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2009 20:59 Highways wrote:
Whats this Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 everyone is talking about?

Is it goms next event?

yes, its gonna be on 22th

twenty tooth?
On February 08 2009 21:03 Lachrymose wrote:
goms1 winner vs goms2 winner.

so...bisu vs bisu!

WHAT? ever heard of jaedong?
stim[mic]
Profile Joined November 2006
Australia93 Posts
February 08 2009 12:05 GMT
#1293
On February 08 2009 21:05 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2009 21:02 disciple wrote:
On February 08 2009 20:59 Highways wrote:
Whats this Bisu vs Jaedong bo5 everyone is talking about?

Is it goms next event?

yes, its gonna be on 22th

twenty tooth?


Indeed..
Proactive not reactive
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-08 12:35:57
February 08 2009 12:09 GMT
#1294
yo bitches and hos, stop dis hatin and I be translatin teh article

grats bisu


- You are the first protoss in the world to have 4 wins.
▲ I am very happy. I expected a very rough finals. Last time on proleague, ever since I lost the game I was very nervous of what would happen today. At first it was difficult. My condition was fine, but the setting inside the booth wasn't as good as I expected. The curtain noises was so loud inside the boothe I kept letting my mind drift away instead of microing. But the coaches made me focus.

- You seem to have been very uncomfortable about the booth rather than the game
▲ The booth was so bad. I couldn't hear the commentating, but the booth kept shaking and it was incredibly annoying. It was very hard to focus because of outside sounds.

- You are the first protoss to win 4 tournaments
▲ I am very grateful I became the first protoss to do this. It was a huge burden on me, but I am glad everything worked the way it was.

- How did you feel about playing jangbi ever since the proleague game
▲ His skill was very good just like before. Even today, I felt like I was being dragged around during set 1 and 2. I think I got really lucky today.

- You were very aggressive.
▲ I was always known to do more shuttle control during my games, so I decided to switch it up and focus on ground troops more than shuttle reliance. I thought my opponent would read me so I had to change my style for today.

- You defeated Jangbi in Clubday
▲ Today was not a repeat of MSL for me. Today's concept for me was "Can I change?" It was a big risk, and something that shouldn't of been done, even for experienced players. When I saw Jangbi today, he wasn't nervous at all and I felt like today won't be an easy day. At set 4 I was going to 4 gate all in, but I just had this feeling my opponent will do it too so I changed my strategy. I eventually won, and I think it was my experience to this game that won it.

- You still aren't hearing the name "Bonjwa", how do you feel?
▲ I was asked this before. Honestly, I don't really want to hear it. When I saw bonjwas in my eyes, they all rised to the top, and toppled down to the abyss. I don't want to be a bonjwa, rather I want to be that guy who was good and didn't fall into the abyss.

- You have probably the best ability out of all progamers to make good strats per set
▲ I believe the first game is the most important game of everything. I make it so I cannot lose the 1st set. 2~4 sets I plan like every other progamer. Whenever I think of a strategy, I think how well would it work and how enjoyable it is.

- in 2 weeks, you will face Jaedong in the "Battle of the Best" (OKAY WTF WHY DIDN'T I HEAR ABOUT THIS)
▲ I think it will be very fun. I have never played a full set against Jaedong, and this will be the first. So I am very excited for this. I don't know what to do yet, but it is both our favorite MUs so it will be something to watch.

- How do you think you will do?
▲ If I take the first set against jaedong, I think I can 3:0 him. However, this is ONLY when I take the first game, ONLY.

- So what will you spend the money at
▲ Im going to buy dinner for my team. The rest, is for personal use.

- 2009, how many individual wins do you think you will get?
▲ Ofcourse I want to win everything, but in such a competitive environment like this, it is almost impossible. Although I won't be able to win everything, if there was one thing I would want to win over everything, it would be the OSL.

- You should be really happy about your fans
▲ I am always happy. They really cheered loudly for me. I feel bad for my fans because I couldn't do much for them these days. I want to be a progamer who also treats his fans.

- Any last words?
▲ I want to thank my team mates today. At set 1, Crank gave me a build and set 3, BeSt gave me the build. Their help was very big today.

And finally, I want to say,

Rather than being the best progamer, I will be the progamer who gives it his all.
dats racist
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 08 2009 12:13 GMT
#1295
On February 08 2009 21:09 MrHoon wrote:
yo bitches and hos, stop dis hatin and I be translatin teh article

grats bisu


- You are the first protoss in the world to have 4 wins.
▲ I am very happy. I expected a very rough finals. Last time on proleague, ever since I lost the game I was very nervous of what would happen today. At first it was difficult. My condition was fine, but the setting inside the booth wasn't as good as I expected. The curtain noises was so loud inside the boothe I kept letting my mind drift away instead of microing. But the coaches made me focus.

- You seem to have been very uncomfortable about the booth rather than the game
▲ The booth was so bad. I couldn't hear the commentating, but the booth kept shaking and it was incredibly annoying. It was very hard to focus because of outside sounds.

- You are the first protoss to win 4 tournaments
▲ I am very grateful I became the first protoss to do this. It was a huge burden on me, but I am glad everything worked the way it was.

- How did you feel about playing jangbi ever since the proleague game
▲ His skill was very good just like before. Even today, I felt like I was being dragged around during set 1 and 2. I think I got really lucky today.

- You were very aggressive.
▲ I was always known to do more shuttle control during my games, so I decided to switch it up and focus on ground troops more than shuttle reliance. I thought my opponent would read me so I had to change my style for today.

- You defeated Jangbi in Clubday
▲ Today was not a repeat of MSL for me. Today's concept for me was "Can I change?" It was a big risk, and something that shouldn't of been done, even for experienced players. When I saw Jangbi today, he wasn't nervous at all and I felt like today won't be an easy day. At set 4 I was going to 4 gate all in, but I just had this feeling my opponent will do it too so I changed my strategy. I eventually won, and I think it was my experience to this game that won it.

- You still aren't hearing the name "Bonjwa", how do you feel?
▲ I was asked this before. Honestly, I don't really want to hear it. When I saw bonjwas in my eyes, they all rised to the top, and toppled down to the abyss. I don't want to be a bonjwa, rather I want to be that guy who was good and didn't fall into the abyss.

- You have probably the best ability out of all progamers to make good strats per set
▲ I believe the first game is the most important game of everything. I make it so I cannot lose the 1st set. 2~4 sets I plan like every other progamer. Whenever I think of a strategy, I think how well would it work and how enjoyable it is.

- in 2 weeks, you will face Jaedong in the "Battle of the Best" (OKAY WTF WHY DIDN'T I HEAR ABOUT THIS)
▲ I think it will be very fun. I have never played a full set against Jaedong, and this will be the first. So I am very excited for this. I don't know what to do yet, but it is both our favorite MUs so it will be something to watch.

- How do you think you will do?
▲ If I take the first set against jaedong, I think I can 3:0 him. However, this is ONLY when I take the first game, ONLY.

- So what will you spend the money at
▲ Im going to buy food for my team. The rest, is for personal use.

- 2009, how many individual wins do you think you will get?
▲ Ofcourse I want to win everything, but in such a competitive environment like this, it is almost impossible. Although I won't be able to win everything, if there was one thing I would want to win over everything, it would be the OSL.

- You should be really happy about your fans
▲ I am always happy. They really cheered loudly for me. I feel bad for my fans because I couldn't do much for them these days. I want to be a progamer who also treats his fans.

- Any last words?
▲ I want to thank my team mates today. At set 1, Crank gave me a build and set 3, BeSt gave me the build. Their help was very big today.

And finally, I want to say,

Rather than being the best progamer, I will be the progamer who gives it his all.

wtf?? "i make it so i cannot lose the 1st set"??? why doesnt he just make the strats for set 2 and 3 "so i cannot lose" as well?? Either he is damn cocky or the translation is a lil sloppy on that part.
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Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
February 08 2009 12:14 GMT
#1296
On February 08 2009 20:56 Aesop wrote:
I just rewatched that game 3, and tried to figure out why Bisu crushed Jangbi that easily.

1) +1 upgrade finished for him, giving his units a definite "cutting" edge.
2) Excellent storms. If you rewatch, the third storm, which is thrown into the middle of Jangbi's force, hits a BUNCH of zealots running through. Thus Jangbi's frontline is melting extremely fast.
3) Misposition with some goons at the bottom getting overrun by zealots while Bisu's goons were safely behind that Zealot wall. Some units also apparently kept on attacking the Nexus at 9, and others were headed for the natural as reinforcements.
4) Late unloading of Reavers and precise storming of their drop location.

All these factors converged to make a 190 vs. 180 battle turn into a 170 vs. 110 situation.


Great analysis, thanks a ton.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 08 2009 12:14 GMT
#1297
He finds set 1 really important (like many other progamers)

And he prepares the most for set 1

How is that cocky?
dats racist
Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
February 08 2009 12:15 GMT
#1298
Thanks for the translation, MrHoon. :D
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
February 08 2009 12:19 GMT
#1299
Thanks for all those interview translations you do MrHoon, they are great
aka DTF-ZeRo
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
February 08 2009 12:26 GMT
#1300
On February 08 2009 21:09 MrHoon wrote:

▲ The booth was so bad. I couldn't hear the commentating, but the booth kept shaking and it was incredibly annoying. It was very hard to focus because of outside sounds.


Wait... what did he mean by this? O_o
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