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On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote:
Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far?
Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards.
WhiteRa is the insurance for his group. 
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Now White Ra has to beat Puma
+ Show Spoiler +cause Kkong sure as hell isn't going to
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did anyone get Supers FPView to work?
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ra vs puma next
gogogog raaaaa
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couldnt the chinese steal some better songs to use come on
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On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote:
Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far?
Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards.
Then they have to combine and become super-foreign-protoss :D
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On January 02 2009 22:24 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 22:19 OwChS wrote:On January 02 2009 22:04 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2009 21:59 OwChS wrote:On January 02 2009 21:53 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2009 21:50 OwChS wrote:
Why in the world would any T player 2-fact tank push on this map? This T clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
White-Ra would've had a helluva time winning against a FE or double FE. He loses 6 goons to one mine and still dominates. Something is very wrong with T's build here. werent you just defending nony for doing a cheesy build? 2 fac is just like any other risky build, if your opponent techs and micros well you're in trouble (unless its like 1 gate dt and you get a scanner) if they fe you have a good shot at winning without really doing anything. Are you talking about if T fast exps or P? I find it considerably hard to play against good Terrans who have the FE builds down on this map. They're so close together, with all the ledge for protection. Normally P has to keep up w/ the exps, because if he does something like 2-gate reaver , 1-gate reaver, dt-rush, any of that stuff against FE on this map and fails, he loses. It's so easy for P to Nexus first on this map so T is tempted to FE & double EXP & then mass & push. I mean why go so standard? White-Ra so that push coming from a mile away, lost most of his units to it... and still won. Idk, guess a better execution would make it look sexy. we were talking about 2fac so obviously the t is not fe'ing he lost most of his units to the followup, he had a massive advantage after the initial 2 fac failed. losing some goons isnt enough to make up for having an expo that much earlier. what do you mean p keeps up with the expos? p always has more expos, especially on collo. the map size and the fact that protoss usually has the econ advantage from a double nexus (and the fact that its fucking impossible for terran to take a 4th) means that the p usually has an econ advantage and terran has to rely on one bigass upgraded push. if protoss does an aggressive build vs a fast expo on any map and fails hes not gonna be in good shape. i dont really see your point. I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. For example, proxy rushes on Chu Pung Rung or Nexus first on KE. They're like that for a reason, usually because that's a more optimal build. I agree with you though, having the element of surprise can sometimes cease a win, but it's still a less optimal build, because a FE is more viable on this map... so you should do it to insure a win, esp. since it's Bo1. As an avid P player, I find it much harder to play against the FE builds followed by vulture harrasses, or drop harrasses from T rather than a standard 2-fact build. It's tough to over power a massive + 2 Terran army and win in a macro-oriented game against T than it is an early-game battle. I mean that's how you win on that map, so that's what you have to do. Also, he didn't really have the element of surprise, so it was easy for White-Ra to defend against it. Edit: and hard for T to reinforce w/ the 2-fact. Yes 2fact is not the optimal build for this map, thats why most tosses feel that they can expand safely, which makes the 2fact a good build again. You see the mindgames here? Also in Bo1 risky builds are usually done by the player who doesn't feel superior to the opponent.
True... then what if since 2-fact is a good build against P early exping because the T is most likely to early exp, that the P decides to 2-gate reaver instead of exp, then FE becomes good once again for T. :D
Risky builds define character IMO, and allow players to stand out.
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On January 02 2009 22:30 benjammin wrote:
couldnt the chinese steal some better songs to use come on
these songs are so different from the ones koreans use for their events:D
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Hmm... I wonder what White-Ra is going to do this game. Oh I know, 2-gate reaver and it'll probably win again ;o.
I'm looking foward to PJ vs. Ra. Good stuff there.
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On January 02 2009 22:33 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 22:30 benjammin wrote:
couldnt the chinese steal some better songs to use come on these songs are so different from the ones koreans use for their events:D
ill take hardcore emo or whatever they play over this DEVIL music anyday
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hmm i wonder if white-ra is having any fun 
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
White-Ra is going to lose
But, that's what they said before and he won anyway!
+ Show Spoiler +He's still going to lose.
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I like how when they showed the players 5 seconds before the game starts, Puma looks all focused and concentrated, and Ra is laughing and talking with people behind him (all the way up til his split, lol)
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On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote:
Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far?
Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards.
Nony is having a shocker of a tourney.. 
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On January 02 2009 22:33 OwChS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 22:24 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 02 2009 22:19 OwChS wrote:On January 02 2009 22:04 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2009 21:59 OwChS wrote:On January 02 2009 21:53 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2009 21:50 OwChS wrote:
Why in the world would any T player 2-fact tank push on this map? This T clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
White-Ra would've had a helluva time winning against a FE or double FE. He loses 6 goons to one mine and still dominates. Something is very wrong with T's build here. werent you just defending nony for doing a cheesy build? 2 fac is just like any other risky build, if your opponent techs and micros well you're in trouble (unless its like 1 gate dt and you get a scanner) if they fe you have a good shot at winning without really doing anything. Are you talking about if T fast exps or P? I find it considerably hard to play against good Terrans who have the FE builds down on this map. They're so close together, with all the ledge for protection. Normally P has to keep up w/ the exps, because if he does something like 2-gate reaver , 1-gate reaver, dt-rush, any of that stuff against FE on this map and fails, he loses. It's so easy for P to Nexus first on this map so T is tempted to FE & double EXP & then mass & push. I mean why go so standard? White-Ra so that push coming from a mile away, lost most of his units to it... and still won. Idk, guess a better execution would make it look sexy. we were talking about 2fac so obviously the t is not fe'ing he lost most of his units to the followup, he had a massive advantage after the initial 2 fac failed. losing some goons isnt enough to make up for having an expo that much earlier. what do you mean p keeps up with the expos? p always has more expos, especially on collo. the map size and the fact that protoss usually has the econ advantage from a double nexus (and the fact that its fucking impossible for terran to take a 4th) means that the p usually has an econ advantage and terran has to rely on one bigass upgraded push. if protoss does an aggressive build vs a fast expo on any map and fails hes not gonna be in good shape. i dont really see your point. I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. For example, proxy rushes on Chu Pung Rung or Nexus first on KE. They're like that for a reason, usually because that's a more optimal build. I agree with you though, having the element of surprise can sometimes cease a win, but it's still a less optimal build, because a FE is more viable on this map... so you should do it to insure a win, esp. since it's Bo1. As an avid P player, I find it much harder to play against the FE builds followed by vulture harrasses, or drop harrasses from T rather than a standard 2-fact build. It's tough to over power a massive + 2 Terran army and win in a macro-oriented game against T than it is an early-game battle. I mean that's how you win on that map, so that's what you have to do. Also, he didn't really have the element of surprise, so it was easy for White-Ra to defend against it. Edit: and hard for T to reinforce w/ the 2-fact. Yes 2fact is not the optimal build for this map, thats why most tosses feel that they can expand safely, which makes the 2fact a good build again. You see the mindgames here? Also in Bo1 risky builds are usually done by the player who doesn't feel superior to the opponent. True... then what if since 2-fact is a good build against P early exping because the T is most likely to early exp, that the P decides to 2-gate reaver instead of exp, then FE becomes good once again for T. :D Risky builds define character IMO, and allow players to stand out.
Well if 2fact is a good build here since P is likely to FE then P might chose to do 2gate wich makes early EXP good for terran, and if terran earlyexp then toss will 14nexus, so terran might do 2rax which makes it a very good map for protoss to pylon forge cannon FE into scoutrush really...
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They are talking about Leg and how he was really good and left a deep impression
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uhm, what's up w/ that noob nexus placement at Ra's 2nd expansion?
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On January 02 2009 22:42 OwChS wrote:
uhm, what's up w/ that noob nexus placement at Ra's 2nd expansion?
he probably did it to piss u off
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i'm going to get my shit together
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Does anyone else here agree that if he just went 2-gate reaver again he probably would've won?
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