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GTR
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On January 02 2009 21:55 motbob wrote: But the nat isn't very accessible on Colosseum, doesn't that make it a worse map for 2fac? it's really easy to contain your opponent from the thirds upper ground imo (i don't play terran) | ||
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Elsi
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SaveYourSavior
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:55 motbob wrote: But the nat isn't very accessible on Colosseum, doesn't that make it a worse map for 2fac? yes but thats why most protosses FE on colloseum which makes it doable | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:55 motbob wrote: But the nat isn't very accessible on Colosseum, doesn't that make it a worse map for 2fac? you can siege it from below along with tanks on the 2nd natural high ground and the p is funneled through that tiny choke into high ground tanks. structurally its a pretty good map to 2 fac on, its just dangerous because p's rarely do a straight fe build, and if they do itll be double nexus which makes the 2 fac really allin. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:55 Elsi wrote: IdrA, are the CJ coaches watching nbs and orion play on the internet? what do they think of orion's performances so far? Is Orion fired from CJ? updates plox | ||
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OwChS
United States51 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:53 IdrA wrote: werent you just defending nony for doing a cheesy build? 2 fac is just like any other risky build, if your opponent techs and micros well you're in trouble (unless its like 1 gate dt and you get a scanner) if they fe you have a good shot at winning without really doing anything. Are you talking about if T fast exps or P? I find it considerably hard to play against good Terrans who have the FE builds down on this map. They're so close together, with all the ledge for protection. Normally P has to keep up w/ the exps, because if he does something like 2-gate reaver , 1-gate reaver, dt-rush, any of that stuff against FE on this map and fails, he loses. It's so easy for P to Nexus first on this map so T is tempted to FE & double EXP & then mass & push. I mean why go so standard? White-Ra so that push coming from a mile away, lost most of his units to it... and still won. Idk, guess a better execution would make it look sexy. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:55 Elsi wrote: IdrA, are the CJ coaches watching nbs and orion play on the internet? what do they think of orion's performances so far? i dunno about the manager and a team coach, but the b team coach isnt really. the players all just laugh that he lost, not really worried since this stage doesnt mean very much and one of the losses was to a cheese anyway. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:57 IdrA wrote: you can siege it from below along with tanks on the 2nd natural high ground and the p is funneled through that tiny choke into high ground tanks. structurally its a pretty good map to 2 fac on, its just dangerous because p's rarely do a straight fe build, and if they do itll be double nexus which makes the 2 fac really allin. I though most tosses went for an FE build on colloseum though hmm.. anyway gonna get my pizza now yummie | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:59 IdrA wrote: i dunno about the manager and a team coach, but the b team coach isnt really. the players all just laugh that he lost, not really worried since this stage doesnt mean very much and one of the losses was to a cheese anyway. His group's screwed, though. | ||
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OwChS
United States51 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:00 AnOth3rDAy wrote: I though most tosses went for an FE build on colloseum though hmm.. anyway gonna get my pizza now yummie That's because all the pro gamers, Terran & Protoss, FE on this map. It's rare to see a 2 fact done like this, or even reaver b4 exp. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:59 OwChS wrote: Are you talking about if T fast exps or P? I find it considerably hard to play against good Terrans who have the FE builds down on this map. They're so close together, with all the ledge for protection. Normally P has to keep up w/ the exps, because if he does something like 2-gate reaver , 1-gate reaver, dt-rush, any of that stuff against FE on this map and fails, he loses. It's so easy for P to Nexus first on this map so T is tempted to FE & double EXP & then mass & push. I mean why go so standard? White-Ra so that push coming from a mile away, lost most of his units to it... and still won. Idk, guess a better execution would make it look sexy. we were talking about 2fac so obviously the t is not fe'ing he lost most of his units to the followup, he had a massive advantage after the initial 2 fac failed. losing some goons isnt enough to make up for having an expo that much earlier. what do you mean p keeps up with the expos? p always has more expos, especially on collo. the map size and the fact that protoss usually has the econ advantage from a double nexus (and the fact that its fucking impossible for terran to take a 4th) means that the p usually has an econ advantage and terran has to rely on one bigass upgraded push. if protoss does an aggressive build vs a fast expo on any map and fails hes not gonna be in good shape. i dont really see your point. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:00 AnOth3rDAy wrote: I though most tosses went for an FE build on colloseum though hmm.. anyway gonna get my pizza now yummie most do, thats why 2 fac isnt a bad build on it. being allin doesnt make it a bad choice, just a risky one. its a pretty strong build vs double nexus. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
On January 02 2009 21:59 IdrA wrote: i dunno about the manager and a team coach, but the b team coach isnt really. the players all just laugh that he lost, not really worried since this stage doesnt mean very much and one of the losses was to a cheese anyway. Orion practices with the B team then? What about nbs, he plays with the A team? Also, have you played both players? and what's your record against them! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:08 Elsi wrote: Orion practices with the B team then? What about nbs, he plays with the A team? Also, have you played both players? and what's your record against them! theyre both on the a team but everyone practices with everyone | ||
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