EPT[PGL] Day 2 - Page 36
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OwChS
United States51 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:08 NotSupporting wrote: fawking stream stops all the time T_T Same here | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:10 OwChS wrote: omFg White-Ra is ON FIRE today. He has such excellent unit control and timing. are you watching a different game | ||
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Roxen000
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
he should win! | ||
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OwChS
United States51 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:04 IdrA wrote: we were talking about 2fac so obviously the t is not fe'ing he lost most of his units to the followup, he had a massive advantage after the initial 2 fac failed. losing some goons isnt enough to make up for having an expo that much earlier. what do you mean p keeps up with the expos? p always has more expos, especially on collo. the map size and the fact that protoss usually has the econ advantage from a double nexus (and the fact that its fucking impossible for terran to take a 4th) means that the p usually has an econ advantage and terran has to rely on one bigass upgraded push. if protoss does an aggressive build vs a fast expo on any map and fails hes not gonna be in good shape. i dont really see your point. I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. For example, proxy rushes on Chu Pung Rung or Nexus first on KE. They're like that for a reason, usually because that's a more optimal build. I agree with you though, having the element of surprise can sometimes cease a win, but it's still a less optimal build, because a FE is more viable on this map... so you should do it to insure a win, esp. since it's Bo1. As an avid P player, I find it much harder to play against the FE builds followed by vulture harrasses, or drop harrasses from T rather than a standard 2-fact build. It's tough to over power a massive + 2 Terran army and win in a macro-oriented game against T than it is an early-game battle. I mean that's how you win on that map, so that's what you have to do. Also, he didn't really have the element of surprise, so it was easy for White-Ra to defend against it. Edit: and hard for T to reinforce w/ the 2-fact. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
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OwChS
United States51 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
edit: ok, gg | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:19 OwChS wrote: I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. For example, proxy rushes on Chu Pung Rung or Nexus first on KE. They're like that for a reason, usually because that's a more optimal build. I agree with you though, having the element of surprise can sometimes cease a win, but it's still a less optimal build, because a FE is more viable on this map... so you should do it to insure a win, esp. since it's Bo1. As an avid P player, I find it much harder to play against the FE builds followed by vulture harrasses, or drop harrasses from T rather than a standard 2-fact build. It's tough to over power a massive + 2 Terran army and win in a macro-oriented game against T than it is an early-game battle. I mean that's how you win on that map, so that's what you have to do. Also, he didn't really have the element of surprise, so it was easy for White-Ra to defend against it. its not a hard pvt map, especially in the long game. terran cant take a 4th and the map is big as hell so terran ends up in a race against their resources trying to kill expos all over the map while being recalled to hell and back. you being unable to win doesnt mean its t>p. I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. im aware of that, thats why i explained why 2 fac is a good build on colloseum. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:19 OwChS wrote: I'm simply saying that certain strategies are more feasible on certain maps. For example, proxy rushes on Chu Pung Rung or Nexus first on KE. They're like that for a reason, usually because that's a more optimal build. I agree with you though, having the element of surprise can sometimes cease a win, but it's still a less optimal build, because a FE is more viable on this map... so you should do it to insure a win, esp. since it's Bo1. As an avid P player, I find it much harder to play against the FE builds followed by vulture harrasses, or drop harrasses from T rather than a standard 2-fact build. It's tough to over power a massive + 2 Terran army and win in a macro-oriented game against T than it is an early-game battle. I mean that's how you win on that map, so that's what you have to do. Also, he didn't really have the element of surprise, so it was easy for White-Ra to defend against it. Edit: and hard for T to reinforce w/ the 2-fact. Yes 2fact is not the optimal build for this map, thats why most tosses feel that they can expand safely, which makes the 2fact a good build again. You see the mindgames here?  Also in Bo1 risky builds are usually done by the player who doesn't feel superior to the opponent. | ||
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Nazzick
United States96 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote: Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far? Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards. Nony beat Strelok yesterday  | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote: Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far? Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards. haha, neat observation. Maybe it's like Space Jam and he stole Nony's powers. xD Nah, White-ra has always been pretty badass. =) He sure is destroying today. edit: Speaking of Space Jam, I wonder if I subconciously came up with that because they keep playing "I believe I can fly" rofl | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 02 2009 22:24 Maenander wrote: Isn´t it funny that WhiteRa owned every player Nony lost to so far? Nony lost to Super, White Ra beats Super. Then he lost to Eva, White Ra wins against Eva. Nony loses to Strelok, only for White Ra to defeat Strelok afterwards. hah, funny fact there^^ | ||
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