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[PL] CJ vs. KTF 12/30/08 - Page 2

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NoUShutUp
Profile Joined January 2008
United States172 Posts
December 30 2008 02:33 GMT
#21
(T)Flash
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)sAviOr
(T)sKyHigh

ACE:
(Z)sAviOr< (T)Flash

Luxury is struggling and only player that KTF can count on is Flash.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 03:56:02
December 30 2008 02:45 GMT
#22
What I really love about the new PL format is that it helps tremendously the rise of new Zerg hopes like EffOrt or MaGma. The Zerg race really need fresh blood to keep up with the other races (esp. Protoss). Jaedong won't be able to hold the house alone forever.

About SKT, last season they were losing all their 2v2s, now they're losing all their Zerg 1v1s, doesn't make much of a change. The difference is much bigger for teams like Samsung who used to field a strong 2v2 but still lack as of today a good Zerg 1v1'er. But they're still ok thanks to their insanely strong P/T lineup.

ROOTING HARD FOR CJ THERE.

But KTF has the edge :/
- Flash TvP'ing on Colosseum + Lux ZvZ'ing = huge chance to get 2 games in the bag.
- In the likely case it goes to Ace, Flash on Destination is going to rape EffOrt, the only hope is an in-form Much but he doesn't look so hot lately (was there rumors about him going to ROKAF soon or was it a dream?).

Praying for a quick 3-1 from CJ.
TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
December 30 2008 02:59 GMT
#23
(T)Flash
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)Luxury
(T)sKyHigh
Ace Flash > Effort
effort lost to gogo on destination -> little chance beating flash. Lux on dest is dangerous as well, CJ has noone in form enough for ace.
sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 03:02:47
December 30 2008 03:02 GMT
#24
I'm really hoping that Movie wins somehow
Just keep swimming
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
December 30 2008 03:18 GMT
#25
ACE : (Z)EffOrt > (T)Flash
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
December 30 2008 03:43 GMT
#26
i think Savior and Effort are gonna win this one for KTF, unless KTF uses flash for 2 out of three wins..which they will..i kinda hate KTF for that.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 30 2008 04:33 GMT
#27
On December 30 2008 12:02 LaXerCannon wrote:
I'm really hoping that Movie wins somehow


Movie vs. Stork, he has pulled off the impossible before.
Hi.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
December 30 2008 05:21 GMT
#28
Damn Luxury, turn this around already. You were supposed to be the second best zerg in the world.

Stats reminds me of myself (except obviously I suck and am a D level Protoss), in that I usually get a lead, but I have trouble finishing games and I'm often bogged down and lose too many units.
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
December 30 2008 05:35 GMT
#29
I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 05:40:48
December 30 2008 05:39 GMT
#30
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 30 2008 05:44 GMT
#31
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


i think id include stx and stars with that
Forever Young
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 30 2008 05:58 GMT
#32
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


Thing is the only teams with reliable protosses these days are eStro, Fox and KTF.

With Bisu Free Jangbi Stork Best and Kal all playing like noobs its just so sad to see such a lack of protoss in the proscene.
Hi.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
December 30 2008 06:25 GMT
#33
On December 30 2008 14:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


Thing is the only teams with reliable protosses these days are eStro, Fox and KTF.

With Bisu Free Jangbi Stork Best and Kal all playing like noobs its just so sad to see such a lack of protoss in the proscene.


i c wut u did thar
Writerptrk
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 07:01:27
December 30 2008 06:52 GMT
#34

On December 30 2008 14:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


Thing is the only teams with reliable protosses these days are eStro, Fox and KTF.

With Bisu Free Jangbi Stork Best and Kal all playing like noobs its just so sad to see such a lack of protoss in the proscene.



I think he meant without. WeMade doesn't have any good protoss. Same goes to estro unless you think Sangho is good (I guess he is decent but nothing above it). And KTF... Tempest is the best Protoss which is rather sad.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
December 30 2008 06:56 GMT
#35
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


is this the real idra?
if it is, i want to say u rock lol
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 30 2008 07:11 GMT
#36
go Maestro!~~

Will wake up in about 3 hours to see the games~~ yay~!
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 30 2008 07:22 GMT
#37
On December 30 2008 15:52 Lebesgue wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 14:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
On December 30 2008 14:39 IdrA wrote:
On December 30 2008 11:14 sung_moon wrote:
On December 30 2008 10:53 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
i hate how u haev to use every race in proleague. i mean if you have better players then just put those up. who cares about race haha


thats cuz zergs were ALWAYS seen on the 2v2's. i think kespa wanted to show balance by having all 3 races represented with no 2v2. very few teams like CJ, Lecaf,OGN etc. had reliable zergs while just about every team had one or two realiable terrans to fall back on

what
those are basically the only 3 teams with solid z's at the moment

and stx if 3 hat speedling is solid


Thing is the only teams with reliable protosses these days are eStro, Fox and KTF.

With Bisu Free Jangbi Stork Best and Kal all playing like noobs its just so sad to see such a lack of protoss in the proscene.



I think he meant without. WeMade doesn't have any good protoss. Same goes to estro unless you think Sangho is good (I guess he is decent but nothing above it). And KTF... Tempest is the best Protoss which is rather sad.


You should read past the first line
Hi.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
December 30 2008 07:28 GMT
#38
On December 30 2008 11:45 Matoo- wrote:
What I really love about the new PL format is that it helps tremendously the rise of new Zerg hopes like EffOrt or MaGma. The Zerg race really need fresh blood to keep up with the other races (esp. Protoss). Jaedong won't be able to hold the house alone forever.

About SKT, last season they were losing all their 2v2s, now they're losing all their Zerg 1v1s, doesn't make much of a change. The difference is much bigger for teams like Samsung who used to field a strong 2v2 but still lack as of today a good Zerg 1v1'er. But they're still ok thanks to their insanely strong P/T lineup.

ROOTING HARD FOR CJ THERE.

But KTF has the edge :/
- Flash TvP'ing on Colosseum + Lux ZvZ'ing = huge chance to get 2 games in the bag.
- In the likely case it goes to Ace, Flash on Destination is going to rape EffOrt, the only hope is an in-form Much but he doesn't look so hot lately (was there rumors about him going to ROKAF soon or was it a dream?).

Praying for a quick 3-1 from CJ.


Really nice posts, and I agree with everything you said. Cept the ZvZ. I know it lux and how imba his mutas are, but he's not playing good lately. And well, SaviOr already proved me wrong lately. :3
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MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
December 30 2008 07:28 GMT
#39
What the fuck are you guys talknig about? Luxury doesn't have a chance against Savior
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17015 Posts
December 30 2008 07:34 GMT
#40
I think it's hilarious that (Z)ZergBong is playing (T)sKyHigh.
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