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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 17 2008 12:01 GMT
#621
On December 17 2008 21:00 Zinbiel wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


i agree with this.
manner
Disarray
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1164 Posts
December 17 2008 12:01 GMT
#622
On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote:
Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/

i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before

But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected

seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm


i had 2 giant gripes with this last PR, and that was one of them
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 17 2008 12:02 GMT
#623
Two great games dont mean that your an amazing player It simply means that your opponent was close in skill level. These two rapes clearly show that Leta was the far supeiror player
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
December 17 2008 12:03 GMT
#624
Leta is so good...

Is this Royal Road for him, btw?
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 17 2008 12:03 GMT
#625
i really expected sea to perform better, thinking that leta would win 2-1 in a close series. that was just brutal, but now that leta has two bo3's under his belt (making both opponents sweat profusely while doing it) he seems to be in good shape to make a run deep into the osl.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
December 17 2008 12:03 GMT
#626
=( poor Sea. There's just something with leagues he just can't crack.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
December 17 2008 12:03 GMT
#627
Leta showed some seriously good control there. There was one time where he saw a push coming, rushed out a single goliath to take the tank fire, then defended 7 tanks with 3 tanks and 2-3 goliaths. The other moment that impressed me was when sea was trying to scv rush and scv bomb at the same time. Leta just calmly /stopped his tanks and told them to fire at sea's tanks. He defended that with minimal losses.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
December 17 2008 12:04 GMT
#628
On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote:
Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/

i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before

But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected

seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm


you are wrong

you are someone who doesn't understand how high above the current standard of TvZ his game against Jaedong was, and how masterful his game against Iris was

Sea's spot on December's rank is completely justified, Leta certainly hasn't shown himself capable of games at that level.

Yes, this series changes things. The outcome is not predetermined and before this series Sea's placement was correct. He made many, many mistakes in those two games that he really should not be making.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 17 2008 12:04 GMT
#629
On December 17 2008 21:01 Elsi wrote:
Sea was raped badly in that 2nd game T_T


Well - I didn't see it, but it seems like he was just too aggresive, and Leta just has absolutely fantastic defense ability.

That does seem to be how he wins - defense and heavy macro. Then he inches forward.
I'd like to see how he does against Bisu, who is like playing on e8 different parts of the map at once.
CJ Entusman #24
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
December 17 2008 12:05 GMT
#630
On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
December 17 2008 12:05 GMT
#631
I find Really more potential than Leta but he must get out of estro asap
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
December 17 2008 12:06 GMT
#632
On December 17 2008 21:00 Roxen000 wrote:
I had such high hopes for Sea this OSL =///

Like in every previous OSL...
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 17 2008 12:07 GMT
#633
On December 17 2008 21:05 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling.


yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 12:08:46
December 17 2008 12:08 GMT
#634
On December 17 2008 21:07 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:05 Tianx wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling.


yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory


i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad

god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 12:11:48
December 17 2008 12:09 GMT
#635
On December 17 2008 21:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote:
Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/

i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before

But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected

seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm


you are wrong

you are someone who doesn't understand how high above the current standard of TvZ his game against Jaedong was, and how masterful his game against Iris was

Sea's spot on December's rank is completely justified, Leta certainly hasn't shown himself capable of games at that level.

Yes, this series changes things. The outcome is not predetermined and before this series Sea's placement was correct. He made many, many mistakes in those two games that he really should not be making.
Steve, i trust you've seen Savior vs Sea on Andromeda right? That game was basically the same as the Jaedong game, except sea made one or two more mistakes and ended up losing from an advantage. Sea managed to hold and on win vs Jaedong - it was an impressive game! However, having a very strong TvZ shouldn't be all you need to get #10 on PR. Leta's achievements across the past month and bit (like his 14-4 record in proleauge) far outweigh Sea's one awesome game.

Oh yea, i hope you haven't forgotten about Sea vs EffOrt yet either, that wasn't a pretty game.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
December 17 2008 12:10 GMT
#636
well as far as we know there could be some practice partner who absolutely destroys shit in practice games... does that mean he should be considered one of the top sc gamers right now (in PR) ? no.
Of cus proleague carries a lil more weight than practice games but when it comes down to ranking individual players, nothing factors in more than individual league performance imo... And in that department, Sea certainly never was and is not top 10 material.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 12:15:19
December 17 2008 12:10 GMT
#637
On December 17 2008 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:07 d_so wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:05 Tianx wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling.


yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory


i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad

god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/?tabulator_search=leta&auto_redirect=1

point: maybe sea played bad but leta's been raping T's left and right all season. An argument can be made that he forced sea to play bad, ie force terrible break attempts
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Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
December 17 2008 12:11 GMT
#638
On December 17 2008 21:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:07 d_so wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:05 Tianx wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:01 d_so wrote:
That did very much look like high-level chess to me. Leta content to slowly improve his position and as soon as Sea tried to bust it open he got punished severely.


This. Leta was at no point behind in either game, from start to finish. He secured a small, early advantage and nursed it patiently to the end. The last time I played an expert at chess was fairly similar - I just sort of felt my position falling apart and couldn't do anything whatsoever. It's incredibly demoralizing and Sea just quietly gg'ing probably is representative of how he was feeling.


yeah it's like he took a one pawn advantage and rode it all the way to victory


i think about half the active roster of pro terran players would have won those two games given the same build orders - sea played reaaaaaaaally bad

god he threw so many scvs away on terrible break attempts


What would you have recommended in Sea's position halfway through? Going for a big timing push right before Leta's 4th kicked in?
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 17 2008 12:13 GMT
#639
On December 17 2008 21:09 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 21:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On December 17 2008 21:00 Plexa wrote:
Bosung looks really disappointed with that game and rightly so =/

i dont think i've seen sea this pissed before

But hey, Leta 2-1 2-0 as expected

seriously steve, sea is no where near PR material atm


you are wrong

you are someone who doesn't understand how high above the current standard of TvZ his game against Jaedong was, and how masterful his game against Iris was

Sea's spot on December's rank is completely justified, Leta certainly hasn't shown himself capable of games at that level.

Yes, this series changes things. The outcome is not predetermined and before this series Sea's placement was correct. He made many, many mistakes in those two games that he really should not be making.
Steve, i trust you've seen Savior vs Sea on Andromeda right? That game was basically the same as the Jaedong game, except sea made one or two more mistakes and ended up losing from an advantage. Sea managed to hold and on win vs Jaedong - it was an impressive game! However, having a very strong TvZ shouldn't be all you need to get #10 on PR. Leta's achievements across the past month and bit (like his 14-4 record in proleauge) far outweigh Sea's one awesome game.

Oh yea, i hope you haven't forgotten about Sea vs EffOrt yet either, that wasn't a pretty game.


especially when FBH predated the BC leetness against jaedong a week before Sea
manner
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
December 17 2008 12:15 GMT
#640
So steve's PR rank for Sea is based solely on 2 games where Sea played well while ignoring most other instances and overall gameplay ability. Every game where Sea loses he's simply playing bad, and is supposedly ignored. What about his good games? He's simply playing good, and should be ignored too? What's important is the overall level, not take 2 individual games and make an argument over it. It's also easy to have close, epic games when you're at similar skill levels. The games between Sea vs Leta weren't close & epic at all, because they're not at similar skill levels, lol.

In the second game, Sea had a nice BO advantage over Leta with his faster expansion. He also got 2 more factories up earlier. Still, Leta controlled and positions his tanks very well to snipe a lot of Sea's units. Slowly, Sea lost a bunch of men and was being pushed back until he realized there's no way he can win. Intelligent, impressive play by Leta.
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