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[MSL] Semifinal A, Kal vs JangBi - Page 4

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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 03:53:30
November 13 2008 03:53 GMT
#61
Jangbi has supposedly been known as the best player in practice in Samsung (more than Stork and FBH) for a long time and is highly respected in the progaming community but has a problem with nerves on tv etc... I think he has slowly gotten over this over the last 6 months etc.. I don't know that for sure though. But what I am almost certain of is that JangBi is the better player. I hope he wins this.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 13 2008 04:15 GMT
#62
On November 13 2008 12:53 G5 wrote:
Jangbi has supposedly been known as the best player in practice in Samsung (more than Stork and FBH) for a long time and is highly respected in the progaming community but has a problem with nerves on tv etc... I think he has slowly gotten over this over the last 6 months etc.. I don't know that for sure though. But what I am almost certain of is that JangBi is the better player. I hope he wins this.
Agreed. It seemed like as more time went on, Jangbi got control of his nerves, and managed to get into his practice groove for each match up. He came over some psychological hurdle and "suddenly" his pvt was great. Now "suddenly" his pvz is great. Hes 7-0 in MSL and tearing up things left and right. This is not a coincidence. Jangbi did not turn around his pvt, his pvz, or his pvp, he just, over time, felt more natural in these match ups. And now Jangbi's true capabilities can be shown. So despite past history between these two players, despite past official games of Jangbi's pvp- expect the unexpected. The real Jangbi could show up, and we will see some of the best pvp in a long time, or he could choke and play like an amateur.


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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
November 13 2008 04:26 GMT
#63
Kal is the more interesting player IMO
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
November 13 2008 04:45 GMT
#64
Jangbi right now has done about the same as Jangbi in GOM 4, where he met Kal in the exact same fashion. Jangbi was not considered 'great' then for advancing to the MSL semis by beating Upmagic 3-0 in a series, and in the same fashion he should not be considered even good for beating Yarnc's zvp 3-0 (which is worse than Upmagics TvP was back then. really really bad). His PvT was later proven to be great over the course of proleague and his incredible game against Flash, and we may see his PvZ to be proven great when...he actually plays a good zerg!

The last time he played a good zerg was...07-06-04, when he played Jaedong (and lost of course). Jangbi is 13-1 in his last PvZs, which is a very stellar stat, but it fails to take into account that he's played Yarnc SEVEN times, and his 'highest' quality opponent in that list is either Shark or Magma lol. I'm not saying it's bad at all, because he's doing exactly what bonjwa Bisu would do, raping a bunch of nobodies, but until he plays that good Zerg it's a shot in the dark how good he actually is.

If you go through his overall stats he has played these notable opponents since June...win over Midas (not sure when Midas started sucking, but Jangbi's PvT has been quite good for awhile now.), a loss to Best, two losses to Mind, a win over a slumping Flash, another loss to Best, two losses and a win to BACKHO, a win over Iris, a win over Free, a loss to Sea, a loss to Best, and a win over slumping Stork. That's not particularly impressive.

This is the second time Jangbi has lucked his way to the semis with a creampuff bracket, and I hope it's the last. Seriously, this guy is robbing us of a Bisu vs Free finals or a Jaedong vs Flash the last time (when both were at their best) by lucking out with these absurd brackets. Now maybe if he lands in that hard bracket he could prove that he deserves a top 4 placing, but the only conclusion we can draw before this semi is that he's very lucky and hasn't gotten a chance to prove himself yet. Screw MSL for removing double elim.

Jangbi last time versus Kal showed great mechanical play, which is what nerves would normally affect, but also a complete lack of strategical planning, which is necessary for series wins, while Kal showed some smart play overall to take it home 3-2 (that's also how he won versus Stork). That is not affected by nerve, sorry. If Jangbi wants to win, he's going to have to come with brains or strategies from Stork this time; the other chance is to pray that Mr.inconsistent Kal has a bad day this time.

Basically the outcome is in Kal's hands. Who will come? Good Kal or bad Kal? That's too hard to predict -_-
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 13 2008 05:05 GMT
#65
heh i'm looking at it from the complete opposite perspective. JangBi is the better player with more potential - either he'll find himself in his first big series since the last MSL semi-final, or he'll choke. JangBi is the one Korean's liken to being god-like, while they call Kal the joker. It just seems like there is a complete disparity in the way Koreans are looking at this player and the way most people here are assessing his skill is unbelievable.

I don't think Koreans would call this kid "Huhneunim" or whatever if he's just "lucking" his way to the semis. I just don't buy it.
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
November 13 2008 05:09 GMT
#66
People need to be reminded how awesome (P)JangBi is by rewatching all his games vs (T)Flash (forcing flash into a draw during a time when Flash was imba), and how he stormed (T)NaDa so badly.. for a moment (T)NaDa thought he was playing (P)Zeus.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 05:36:17
November 13 2008 05:18 GMT
#67
On November 13 2008 12:14 Xusneb wrote:
I predict a 4gate BO to own a 2gate->expansion BO. As for who does it to who, I have no idea... probably the crazy kal?


who on earth would do this crazy all in build order anyway.

edit: I was kidding...
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
November 13 2008 05:19 GMT
#68
On November 13 2008 14:18 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 12:14 Xusneb wrote:
I predict a 4gate BO to own a 2gate->expansion BO. As for who does it to who, I have no idea... probably the crazy kal?


who on earth would do this crazy all in build order anyway.

Stork?
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 13 2008 05:22 GMT
#69
On November 13 2008 04:44 Mastermind wrote:
But on a serious note, positional imbalances could affect the outcome. We all know there are no 3 or 4 player maps that are perfectly positionally balanced.


wait is Andromeda not perfectly balanced? I guess unit spawn positions are weird etc...

anyway I think Jangbi will take this... his recent results have been more impressive, and I think the psychological advantage will carry him through.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 13 2008 05:24 GMT
#70
god I cant stand buffoons who think that a 60% win ratio in two match ups, and two semi final appearances is in any way shape or form 'luck'. Yeah, he hasn't gone against greats in his pvz, so we can't say hes one of the great in the match up, we can look at his play and know it is very very good, and treat it as such, just like anyone else with a ridiculous record like that. Hell, how is strategical planning not effected by nerves? Everything is effected by nerves. Fucking Bisu built two of the same building because he was nervous. You may prepare a good build order, have good micro tricks in mind, you may evaluate your opponent properly, it doesn't matter if you get nervous and it completely fails you.

That post was complete trash, in short.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 13 2008 05:43 GMT
#71
On November 13 2008 14:19 dinmsab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 14:18 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
On November 13 2008 12:14 Xusneb wrote:
I predict a 4gate BO to own a 2gate->expansion BO. As for who does it to who, I have no idea... probably the crazy kal?


who on earth would do this crazy all in build order anyway.

Stork?


Jangbi did this to Chalrenge in the PL finals. Chalrenge did this to Bisu in the PL semis. 4-gate timing attack is not that out of the ordinary.
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muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
November 13 2008 05:50 GMT
#72
The other races have got to start picking up the slack. I'm getting so sick of PvP. Especially since it's my least favorite match-up to begin with.

I'm rooting for Jangbi and he has the best person on earth to practice with for this march, Stork.
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
November 13 2008 07:45 GMT
#73
where is the "none" option? 2 boring noones. pshhht this is going to be boring
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 08:09:14
November 13 2008 08:09 GMT
#74
On November 13 2008 16:45 araav wrote:
where is the "none" option? 2 boring noones. pshhht this is going to be boring


Well one of them needs to win- you can't really pick none. (I suppose unless we're talking about the finals winner, in which case I'de need to go with the winner of bisu/free (bisu, if anyone cares -_-)
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
November 13 2008 08:10 GMT
#75
On November 13 2008 16:45 araav wrote:
where is the "none" option? 2 boring noones. pshhht this is going to be boring

ask the economists - thats the main problem with the aggregation of the welfare. You cant find a way to put the preferences of the ppl all together
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Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
November 13 2008 08:11 GMT
#76
=O Good games please. Kal, Jangbi fighting~
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 08:53:22
November 13 2008 08:29 GMT
#77
Omg, NOW it starts in 36 minutes, hopefully we get some good games, since i'm not horribly tipped on a scale for a favourite to win.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 08:59:21
November 13 2008 08:58 GMT
#78
31 min remaining. Go Jangbi i choooooooose yooooooooou....! manner pilon his asss
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 13 2008 08:58 GMT
#79
pvp, im excited!!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 13 2008 09:00 GMT
#80
18:30 is what it says on the daum sports page. Ugh, I wish that it was starting already
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