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Shauni
4077 Posts
2. This season is still in its early stages which means B koreans are A level. 3. I don't care about the difference in skill between you and Carlo, but I can assure you that he is not immortal and is able to lose to A level koreans just like any other top foreigner. 4. The record is no evaluation of skill. | ||
KwarK
United States44394 Posts
On October 10 2008 23:32 Shauni wrote: 1. This season is harder. 2. This season is still in its early stages which means B koreans are A level. 3. I don't care about the difference in skill between you and Carlo, but I can assure you that he is not immortal and able to lose to A level koreans just like any other top foreigner. We'll see. I know he can lose to A level koreans, I just don't think he should have run into 49 A level koreans before B rank ICC. That'd take sick game selection. | ||
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KwarK
United States44394 Posts
On October 10 2008 23:29 G.s)NarutO wrote: Some people in here have to realize a certain thing. Most of the time a good record doesn't mean the player is good. Also the players who have lots of games .. like B 250-300 or something like that have a lot of experience and are often REALLY REALLY good. I disagree. If they're breaking even over that many games then they've reached their limit. Going 34-34 is enough to gain you a rank on motw at B so by that many games they're losing more than they're winning. The bad record at B means they are a B rank player. Nothing to be ashamed of obv. Whereas if they're B with 70-30 then they're obviously still winning more than they're losing and therefore B probably isn't their limit. They are B atm but if they kept playing until their stats were like 250-300 they'd be nearer A-. Obviously we're talking small sample sizes and unless everyone kept playing until they couldn't gain any more points then there will always be a margin of error but the record does count for something. It's inaccurate because of dodging, racepicking and different hours but not meaningless. The B 250-300 is not potentially a B+ player. The B 70-30 might be. | ||
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
your whole arguement as i said before is absuluty ridiculous, judging him becuase of his stats is outrageous, there is a reason why ladder a-b is ALWAYS empty cuz only koreans have reached that rank, and maybe a few dozen forigners if that | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
But seriously, the stats thing can be put to rest. In Spirit a lot of players had insane records but checking their opponents revealed that they were playing consistently vs people who had <50% win rates. And I've seen people with <50% win rates beat the guys who have 95% win rates. Stats just do not reflect skill on ICCup, period, and they never will. They can be completely, totally misleading. | ||
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
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KwarK
United States44394 Posts
On October 11 2008 01:34 Murk wrote: kwark to end all this, no 1 cares what u did LAST season, this season is brutal even C+ is kinda hard, its obviously cloud on that account, who else can get B this early season from that country, your whole arguement as i said before is absuluty ridiculous, judging him becuase of his stats is outrageous, there is a reason why ladder a-b is ALWAYS empty cuz only koreans have reached that rank, and maybe a few dozen forigners if that To end it all we should just ask Cloud which is what I said quite a few posts ago. Simply repeating an argument you made earlier isn't a "to end all this" thing. | ||
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UbRi
Italy603 Posts
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:49 DeadVessel wrote: Let's make a list Fenix - who cares? he's a cheesy player that abused a spam hack vs artosis in TSL which makes any win he gets up for speculation whether he hacked or not in the game. I'm like 99% positive he did to to iNcontroL also. | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
He's at 100-60 and been at B for like 80 games....and we all know white-ra is definitely way better than a B | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
On October 10 2008 22:40 Boblion wrote: Let's make another list: Idra: so called gosu who is pro but still loss vs players like Nony, Dinot or even the " inconsistant" ( your words ) White Ra. Nyoken: never been that great ( maybe somewhat inactive, i don't really know ) Androide: somewhat inactive and suck lately ( i mean he used to be wayyyyyyyy better ). A2: same EX: same Brat_Ok: Good TvP, "ok" TvZ Strelok: ok but still get completly destroyed by a "sloppy" ( your words ) Draco Yosh: ok and lol @ your comments on Draco and White Ra. If you call them sloppy, i guess that all the foreign T are complete garbage. They also have way more achievments than the Terrans that you named ( except maybe Androide because of his #2 at WCG ). And about Pomi and Localhost they aren't maybe that great but they still played better than half of your Terran list during the last WCG Russia. There are more Toss players among foreigners at high level, i'm sorry. Edit: Also it is funny because you said "who cares" about Misterzzz then you said that Fenix is just an hacker but you forgot to say that G5 used a disc hack on purpose vs Misterzzz and Dimaga during TSL. ( "overall strong" was your comment about G5 ). Quite funny G5 is playing phenomenal now? We're talking about only now/recently. Go watch Draco's WCG games and come back and say it's not sloppy. And the comment about Idra losing to Nony, there's not many top korean amateurs that could hold their own against nony. His play is immaculate. Idra lost to Dinot and White-Ra months ago, you're a complete fool if you think that Idra isn't a top foreigner. Of course he'll drop games against some players but you also fail to realize he had immense pressure to perform at WCG by his coaches/team mates. You obviously don't understand how much that can affect a person. btw white-ra is very inconsistant, he always pulls in decent results but there are times when he plays amazingly and other times he plays terribly. | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
I've gotta ask something - is there a channel TL people go in? None of my friends are on b.net or iccup anymore and im trying a new race so yeh just wondering. | ||
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
On October 11 2008 12:55 DeadVessel wrote: I also don't get why people expect Idra to come back and be a fucking all star after a few months in korea. If he still drops series vs foreigners 6 months from now you can start bashing him. Until then shut the hell up. the amount of training idra is gettin down there, its obvious people expect to see a drastic change in his skill, hes still losing to the same people he was before he went to korea | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
Foreigner's play very differently from Koreans. Idra has immense pressure on him for this WCG. Did you watch the TvZ Idra won in GOM? That's a huge improvement. | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
what the fuck else do you expect? it has nothing to do with his skill at all. he has no people skills and 80% of bw hates him. it's like the idiots who insist mistrzzz sucks even though he's obviously at the least pretty good, simply because mistrzz is a total dumbass idiot | ||
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