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also lawl, forgg > flash?
i wasnt expecting that
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
*edit* also lawl, forgg > flash? i wasnt expecting that | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On July 17 2008 23:25 IdrA wrote: that was my point, everything is based on popular opinion of the players. a popular player cheeses and its not cheese, its brilliant strategy. someone unknown or disliked cheeses and theye allining newbies. 5 pool is cheese, whether you're D rank iccup or a golden mouse winner But the thing is strategies like 5-pool, drone drill, and bunker rush are also affected by popular opinion. They're as legitimate as any other strategy with their own risk/reward. Especially in a case where they'd clearly work, then they oughta be used! And yet they're called cheese instead and elicit lame attacks on player's other abilities. I mean, I understand if a newbie pulls one over a pro, but this is July ffs. Can you serious tell me with a straight face that July's macro slouches? Look, if you're the better player, scout it, defend it, counter it, even execute it yourself, especially in a BO5 where the better is suppose to win. And apparently he did. | ||
thedeadhaji
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On July 18 2008 00:44 Southlight wrote: You're joking, right? I don't think too many people would be able to go up there and 5-pool someone, unless it was just for the novelty. Despite the seemingly relatively high success-rate of 5 pool in the pro-scene (Jju, July, Luxury, etc.), it seems like not a whole lot of people actually even TRY it, much less in such a high-pressure situation. No, I am not joking. 5 pool is 5 pool. It doesn't take much "mental fortitude" to 5 pool. It's either a quick or a quick loss, to the hell with it. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
Cheese to me is all-in, it's do or fail. When cheese fails, the "cheeser" ought to lose. So when a cheese fails and the "cheeser" still wins, it's not the cheese, it's the other player and his lack of "mental fortitude" to me. If you get unnerved and can't hold your water steady, you lose baby! | ||
Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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ohhsuup
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ohhsuup
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ohhsuup
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On July 18 2008 02:03 .risingdragoon wrote: But the thing is strategies like 5-pool, drone drill, and bunker rush are also affected by popular opinion. They're as legitimate as any other strategy with their own risk/reward. Especially in a case where they'd clearly work, then they oughta be used! And yet they're called cheese instead and elicit lame attacks on player's other abilities. I mean, I understand if a newbie pulls one over a pro, but this is July ffs. Can you serious tell me with a straight face that July's macro slouches? Look, if you're the better player, scout it, defend it, counter it, even execute it yourself, especially in a BO5 where the better is suppose to win. And apparently he did. you tell yourself that while you take wins from players 4 ranks better than you with a 5 pool? | ||
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ohhsuup
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I second this. They should be called "bitches who are retarded" or something along those lines. fucking that scrub mind can join too. fuck  fOrGG. fuck the finals  Jaedong will take it or he sucks at starcraft | ||
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ohhsuup
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fOrGG is a fucking bitch because he has no chance in hell to beat Jaedong in the finals and i think he was jealous that Flash was supposed to meet jaedong so he thought up a plan to thwart this by cheesing him. he's a greedy little bastard who will lose 1-3 to Jaedong in the finals. no doubt. fuck fOrGGedit: FUCK FORGG!!!!! | ||
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kirtar111
United States72 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On July 18 2008 02:25 IdrA wrote: you tell yourself that while you take wins from players 4 ranks better than you with a 5 pool? No, I tell myself that when I lose to players my rank with a 4/5 pool. Then I cry myself to sleep. Seriousy though, I like cheeses. It means a fast paced micro game, and we don't get enough of those. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On July 18 2008 02:25 IdrA wrote: you tell yourself that while you take wins from players 4 ranks better than you with a 5 pool? So? It's not gonna work every time. Everyone knows you can't rely on cheese to win games consistently. I mean, I'm baffled when people made a big deal about July. This is the guy that all-out ling rushed OOv when he had firebats blocking his choke. Fucking July! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
So? It's not gonna work every time. Everyone knows you can't rely on cheese to win games consistently thats the entire point... you cant rely on it, its not based on skill. its just an easy way to get a win you dont deserve vs someone you arent likely to beat anyway. | ||
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ohhsuup
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On July 18 2008 02:38 .risingdragoon wrote: So? It's not gonna work every time. Everyone knows you can't rely on cheese to win games consistently. I mean, I'm baffled when people made a big deal about July. This is the guy that ling rushed OOv when he had firebats blocking his choke. Fucking July! yeah that's all true. cheeses also require luck, and sometimes players get lucky or unlucky. but in all seriousness, fuck forgg | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On July 18 2008 02:41 IdrA wrote: thats the entire point... you cant rely on it, its not based on skill. its just an easy way to get a win you dont deserve vs someone you arent likely to beat anyway. So what happens when a pro cheeses a newb? Does your point still stick? It's not the strategy itself dude. It comes down to who pulls it out the bag. The more popular player tends to be seasoned vet like Boxer or July, who weigh their chances carefully and clearly aren't desperate for all-in wins, especially if they cheese in a MU that they are strong in. Who's a vet that is desperate? Gorush and his goddamned ZvP all-ins. | ||
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Dahlia...
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ohhsuup
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On July 18 2008 02:41 IdrA wrote:thats the entire point... you cant rely on it, its not based on skill. its just an easy way to get a win you dont deserve vs someone you arent likely to beat anyway. well yeah but the worst part is that it was fucking fOrGG cheesing Flash in a fucking semifinal game of a tournament that fOrGG isn't going to win anyway. back when Flash cheese the shit outa people it was as big of a deal because he didn't take people out on the brink of an insanely tight final. he took out  Bisu in a bo3 early on in an OSL that Bisu might not have reached the finals to anyway. Flash was probably so fucking sure he was going to beat fOrGG that he didn't practice that much, and instead started practicing against zerg. fucking fOrGG had to be a little cunt and do some unexpected shit, rob all of us, and most people who watch starcraft, of one of the most anticipated finals ever, since Flash and Jaedong have already played each other in 3 series and are equal in games against each other. i was really really hoping for the clutchest player ever vs the most dominant player ever in the most important tournament of the year and now we, all of us, can't watch it thanks to a little jealous bitch named fOrGG. edit: ......seriously flash? | ||
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