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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 17 2008 19:06 GMT
#461
ForGG and Jaedong will take it to game 5 where , ForGG will sunken break jaedong leaving only the hatchery and a drone alive, after that Jaedong will make the sickest comeback ever, even sicker than his historic game against Lomo. ForGG will be so helpless, will lose a 3 to 1 base TvZ, which is a very common thing, when you are playing against Jaedong. After that we will all hail the new king of kings and compare him with savior... jee savior will look like a complete noob after the comeback we will see from Jaedong
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ohhsuup
Profile Joined July 2008
64 Posts
July 17 2008 19:09 GMT
#462
On July 18 2008 04:01 Zortch wrote:
Yea, I'm with you haji...
I love (Z)Jaedong but I almost want him to lose just for that.

If (T)fOrGG can beat (T)Flash maybe he can beat (Z)Jaedong too!
You never know.



jeez whats with the hostility..
Ma Jae Yoon Fighting
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
July 17 2008 19:09 GMT
#463
Just watched game 1...

HOLY SHIT. That's totally boxer right there - a multi-stage strategy with pinpoint execution. It's obvious as day who played better there.

Watching game 2 now.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:16:23
July 17 2008 19:13 GMT
#464
On July 18 2008 03:42 ohhsuup wrote:
yea the thing is i really don't know why anyone wants a forgg vs jaedong finals. you really think forgg has a chance, AND you wouldn't rather see FlaSh, ALSO A TERRAN PLAYER BTW, play jaedong??? how can you not want to see 5 incredibely exciting games, unless you think that forgg actually has a chance. idk how you could be a fan of terran and want forgg to play jaedong instead of flash. OR how you could not be a fan of very exciting games, which jaedong vs FlaSh would have given us. if you think forgg has a chance against jaedong well then -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; to you. biggest upset ever if that happens imo.

edit: if forgg wins i'll never post on TL.net again


I'd rather see forGG v. Jaedong because it's clear that forGG prepares well for a series, and Flash... 14CCs into macro mode, every game. You're just buying into empty hype if you seriously think Flash is a better contender right now. Mechanics only take you so far.

It's impossible for people to be reasonable on the internet, but at least pretend to try to get this- forGG is really good at Starcraft. He has a strong TvP and TvZ, with a much improved TvT this season. His macro is insane, his timing is pinpoint, he's proven that his preparation is top notch... and his previously laughable micro is improving. He's been quietly on the rise for the past two seasons or so, while Jaedong and Flash were hogging the spotlight.
More importantly- forGG and Jaedong are teammates, they know each other's habits and have had lots of hands-on experience against each other. There's going to be a lot of mindgames going on in this MSL final, whereas Jaedong v. Flash... yeah, not so much.

Don't kid yourself- Flash as The Ultimate Weapon needs a reload, because he's been shooting blanks lately. The OSL curse hit, Flash is done, and it remains to be seen if he'll get back into dominating form or if he's going to just be another strong player who doesn't have the spark to win it big anymore.

But if you want to keep thinking that an Ultimate Weapon with mostly blanks in the clip (who got dropped from the OSL by Luxury) would honestly be a better match for Jaedong after he just DISMANTLED Hwasin and Much...
Case in point- Flash has had ample opportunity to do a bit of research and see that forGG has been tearing through people with great timing attacks- hell, Flash himself had the chance to play against forGG and lost to a timing attack. So what does Flash do? Instead of preparing for the inevitable timed rush, he just fast expands as usual.

That is not the kind of player who is going to beat Jaedong.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44400 Posts
July 17 2008 19:15 GMT
#465
On July 18 2008 03:42 ohhsuup wrote:
yea the thing is i really don't know why anyone wants a forgg vs jaedong finals. you really think forgg has a chance, AND you wouldn't rather see FlaSh, ALSO A TERRAN PLAYER BTW, play jaedong??? how can you not want to see 5 incredibely exciting games, unless you think that forgg actually has a chance. idk how you could be a fan of terran and want forgg to play jaedong instead of flash. OR how you could not be a fan of very exciting games, which jaedong vs FlaSh would have given us. if you think forgg has a chance against jaedong well then -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; to you. biggest upset ever if that happens imo.

edit: if forgg wins i'll never post on TL.net again

Did you people even watch the games? fOrGG prepared carefully for FlaShs builds and then came out today and fucking raped him. He knew what FlaSh would do and he knew that his builds would create 5 second windows of opportunities. The games played out exactly as he had planned them to and he executed FlaSh with ease. FlaSh playing like he did today would have gotten raped. I'm really quite hyped to see a fOrGG final. Also this is the second ever teammate final and the first was a fucking legend.
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
July 17 2008 19:20 GMT
#466
now we going to have a teammate final, great.
So much for Flash vs all Lecaf =/
Please continue fighting GOM.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:25:54
July 17 2008 19:25 GMT
#467
There's two reasons to cheese not just one. As said you can play a more luck-oriented game thus possibly increasing your chances vs someone better than you, then there's the fact that you can prepare and prepare just as hard as the other player but put all your effort and time into something which is unexpected, and concentrated in a few minutes of execution. This is what boxer used to do if i'm not mistaken. With his perfect bunker rushes and his han-bang dropship rapes. Flash should've prepared to face cheese just as hard, and trusted that his later game was dominant enough to suffer the trade of practice time.
Super lame though.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
ohhsuup
Profile Joined July 2008
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:34:51
July 17 2008 19:25 GMT
#468
On July 18 2008 04:13 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2008 03:42 ohhsuup wrote:
yea the thing is i really don't know why anyone wants a forgg vs jaedong finals. you really think forgg has a chance, AND you wouldn't rather see FlaSh, ALSO A TERRAN PLAYER BTW, play jaedong??? how can you not want to see 5 incredibely exciting games, unless you think that forgg actually has a chance. idk how you could be a fan of terran and want forgg to play jaedong instead of flash. OR how you could not be a fan of very exciting games, which jaedong vs FlaSh would have given us. if you think forgg has a chance against jaedong well then -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; to you. biggest upset ever if that happens imo.

edit: if forgg wins i'll never post on TL.net again


I'd rather see forGG v. Jaedong because it's clear that forGG prepares well for a series, and Flash... 14CCs into macro mode, every game. You're just buying into empty hype if you seriously think Flash is a better contender right now. Mechanics only take you so far.

It's impossible for people to be reasonable on the internet, but at least pretend to try to get this- forGG is really good at Starcraft. He has a strong TvP and TvZ, with a much improved TvT this season. His macro is insane, his timing is pinpoint, he's proven that his preparation is top notch... and his previously laughable micro is improving. He's been quietly on the rise for the past two seasons or so, while Jaedong and Flash were hogging the spotlight.
More importantly- forGG and Jaedong are teammates, they know each other's habits and have had lots of hands-on experience against each other. There's going to be a lot of mindgames going on in this MSL final, whereas Jaedong v. Flash... yeah, not so much.

Don't kid yourself- Flash as The Ultimate Weapon needs a reload, because he's been shooting blanks lately. The OSL curse hit, Flash is done, and it remains to be seen if he'll get back into dominating form or if he's going to just be another strong player who doesn't have the spark to win it big anymore.

But if you want to keep thinking that an Ultimate Weapon with mostly blanks in the clip (who got dropped from the OSL by Luxury) would honestly be a better match for Jaedong after he just DISMANTLED Hwasin and Much...
Case in point- Flash has had ample opportunity to do a bit of research and see that forGG has been tearing through people with great timing attacks- hell, Flash himself had the chance to play against forGG and lost to a timing attack. So what does Flash do? Instead of preparing for the inevitable timed rush, he just fast expands as usual.

That is not the kind of player who is going to beat Jaedong.



Yes yes, very true. I'm just disappointed in flash for not even reaching the damn finals. I was thinking that FlaSh didn't really try that hard against luxury the 2nd game because he was saving his energy for the MSL/was very surprised from luxury's brilliant strategy in game 1. just like jaedong lost to Hwasin 3 times in proleague before their BO5 series in the MSL. he played dumb for 3 games against hwasin, pretending to not know how to switch up his strategy and making hwasin think that he knew how to beat jaedong. jaedong was doing a test in those games to see if he absolutely had to switch up his strategy in order to counter what hwasin was doing. he even tried it for the first BO5 game of the final, making hwasin think up to the last possible second that he wasn't going to change his strategy. and that's just what jaedong did and an overconfident hwasin tried the same thing he had in the proleague every game in the BO5 and jaedong was too prepared for it. i was expecting jaedong to get to the msl finals no matter how many times he loses in proleague. i was thinking the same about FlaSh but i guess not.

edit: yes, there will be a lot of mind games going into the final but that's not what necessarily makes a good final for spectators. i just think that since they know each other very well, and jaedong being the better player, will take the final easily. jaedong doesn't fuck around in starleague BO5's. he's one of the clutchest progamers ever.
anyway, hopefully flash meets jaedong in GOMTV finals
Ma Jae Yoon Fighting
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:35:43
July 17 2008 19:35 GMT
#469
On July 18 2008 04:20 anch wrote:
now we going to have a teammate final, great.


As has been mentioned many times, the last (only) teammate final was EPIC.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
July 17 2008 19:37 GMT
#470
wow i just watched the games... flash really blew it...
go OVERSKY MODE!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 17 2008 19:38 GMT
#471
PL games are ho hum games that players don't put that much effort into unless you're (a) boxer, or (b) have a burst of inspiration or want to show something for the fans - ie shark's 2 hatch hive build, or (c) your team really really fucking desperately wants to win, or somethign along these lines.

NO ONE blows off an individual league game. Teams claim that they value proleague over individual leagues but that's a fucking farce. If you actually think players slack off for any of their individual league games I don't know what to say to you.

The only case where it was blatantly obvious players where throwing games was Iris and GGPlay going out in the first round of MSL offline qualifiers a week before their Daum OSL finals match for obvious reasons.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:46:34
July 17 2008 19:41 GMT
#472
Just finished watching. ForGG rolled Flash. He deserves the finalist spot. I really can't fathom the hate when ForGG played this good and Flash this bad. How do you come up with this crap when it's SO OBVIOUS who entertained?

Get outta here Flash. Jaedong ForGG's gonna be tight.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
July 17 2008 19:50 GMT
#473
people who r dumb enough to say "jeadong has already won" should stop posting :<( go terran
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 17 2008 19:57 GMT
#474
guys like forGG and Lomo are making me start loving the terrans again... I want forGG to bunker rush jaedong 3 times in a row, but...thats not likely to happen
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-17 19:58:25
July 17 2008 19:58 GMT
#475
Colma for mod~
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
July 17 2008 20:12 GMT
#476
I've no doubt that forGG played very well and earned his finalist spot, but it's still going to be disappointing not to be able to see a Flash vs Jaedong finals. Aren't they tied 5 games a piece? (Despite Flash winning more series because he won two Bo3s as opposed to Jaedong's win in the Bo5 series) That would have been a pretty epic tiebraker.

If forGG goes all the way, it would be nice if he stayed on the map for a little while longer (much like Bisu when he took down rA) rather than become another lame one-hit wonder that denied us an incredibly epic and hyped match between two titans.
ohhsuup
Profile Joined July 2008
64 Posts
July 17 2008 20:26 GMT
#477
yes ok you're right, players very rarely blow off individual leagues. i just thought it was weird how much flash was shaken up by his 2 supply depots getting destroyed by luxury. his minerals went threw the fucking roof. im sure he was trying it just didn't look like it.
Ma Jae Yoon Fighting
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
July 17 2008 20:35 GMT
#478
On July 17 2008 21:09 Last Romantic wrote:
fuck this shit holyshit

lame finals



HAHAHAHH!

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?!?
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brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
July 17 2008 20:45 GMT
#479
Flash did not deserve to win this. He played worse than ForGG. deal with it. if flash was dumb enough to continue to do greedy builds and not play safe, then he doesn't deserve to be in the finals. and ForGG has probably played a huge amount of games with Jaedong. Imo, if anyone's prepared to take him down in a bo5, he is.

p.s. i hate fanboys who can't accept that their favorite player lost because they were the worse player at that time in that matchup
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
July 17 2008 20:55 GMT
#480
this is why we need more superfights
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