EPT[OSL] Grand Final: July versus BeSt - Page 83
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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Gingerkid
Albania23 Posts
This was a fantastic series especially for it being 3-0. Usually you think 3-0 and think the games would have been boring. But July's incredible play made it a lot of fun to watch. Game 3 was jsut an awesome display of July's incredible understanding and game sense. When I saw those 20 Ultras running down I was grinning ear to ear. God of War Fighting!!! | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On July 12 2008 19:21 StRyKeR wrote: COWS RAPE TOSS ARMY This basically sums up the series for me. | ||
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weiliem
2073 Posts
On  July 12 2008 20:07 Gryffindor_us wrote:July does deserve this mouse. QuietIdiot hit it on the mark in many respects. July is not like sAviOr who has disappeared from the radar, he's like  NaDa because he perseveres and returns despite being an older player with nothing to prove.The first OSL zerg winner should be the first Zerg Golden Mouse. Congratulations to July, I've been a fan ever since I first saw his replays surfacing and then 2-1 XellOs(who I think is awesome) and 3-2 Oov(lolol Oov = sounding board for those games).Now, the only thing that remains: NaDa must achieve the platinum mouse first!hoooooly crap. u read every single thing in my mind. but i hope July wont be like NaDa, slumping after a tittle which shows that he's coming back. i was hoping so much from 3 players(NaDa, July, Oov) but they continuesly dissapoint me. now that 2 of them have a golden mouse. but the stupid Oov went to be a coach which shows he will never come back again. wait....y am i changing the topic? platinum mouse is the next. all the best for July and NaDa!!!!<<<<<3 | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On July 12 2008 19:21 StRyKeR wrote: COWS RAPE TOSS ARMY That camera switch was awesome/surprising (when the cavern went down). | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 13 2008 05:45 Guybrush wrote: Outmicroed Outmacroed Outexpoed Outsmarted Outplayed GG. Btw Nada and Julys biggest strengths have always been their mechanics and being able to execute any strat, and this is why they have no problem competing with the "modern", "technical", "perfect" macro players of today. And they're more experienced now than before when they'd win SLs purely by supreme mechanical play. Obviously they have great mental abilities as well which are needed to become champions. I dont think Best possess that attribute and its why he'll never become a champion. I expect him to fade away from SLs like Pusan within the next year or two. Nada and July has it. Now only Reach has to come back and win back to back OSLs and my life is complete. YES IT WILL HAPPEN  Thank you Tushin w00t guybrush gj :D not only do you have the best username, you have leet prediction skills . | ||
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yayacamel
Singapore16 Posts
After finishing the 83 pages I was like @_@ ... pls guys it is clear that July deserves the golden mouse. For those who still disagrees -- everyone knows July's trademark aggressive style and his zerglings & muta control, Best, his coach, even people on TL know it. If best is not prepared to that and get mentally destoryed after game 1 and 2, July is definitely the winner of the series. For game 3, Best got obviously affected by the "easy" losses in game 1 & 2, that resulted in the careless control, and avoidable loss of his corsairs in early game. Without the support of corsairs, the harassment of reavers becomes impossible. On the other hand, when someone said July's micro sucks because he lost too many units to Best's storms in mid-game, I did have a feeling that July didn't bother to dodge the storms, as at that time he has 6 bases mining & gasing and hatching his 7th base at 6 island. If they trade units, July could easily regroup a huge army while protoss simply cannot. I don't think Protoss has any chance at that time. July just didn't bother to micro! Anyway, congrat to July for his golden mouse! omg anyone has idea how much it costs? looks awesome. | ||
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tu_GU_ru
Cuba10 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On July 14 2008 04:02 BlackStar wrote: Best didn't lose because of FE, obviously. It's stupid to say that. First game he just made an insane stupid gamble. Second game he didn't FE. Third game he lost a long game after a won early game. That's not what was being said. Read properly before you post. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
Well first, there is the losing of the probe. If he did not lose his scouting probe I would say he should have played straight up and 100% win. That was crucial. He was already safe against the lings the second his build was decided. Best was definitely ahead and had he played standardly he would have likely won. Standard as in building some zealots expanding cannoning -> defending against all-in cheeses and fast mutas with cannons while teching to templar/observer. (He may have been able to tech without expanding just fine and then expanded after a safe tech choice and still had a decent advantage). The proxy was plain and simple a bad idea. It wasn't thought out. You are playing against JulyZerg, and what do you hope to gain by a proxy that is easily defended? Proxy's work because you do not know they are coming and they come before you have a chance to scout them. That idea was unpracticed and a reflex reaction at the surprise of getting 5 pooled. July isn't stupid he knew something was up and Best, by spreading himself thin he sealed his loss. With only 2 probes lost, he had a significant advantage and blew it. What July didn't want to play against: An expanding toss that was solidly outresourcing / outupgrading. Thus making him choose to all-in or to over-expand himself in an attempt to catch up. (The second option leaving him weak at key points that any professional toss would capitalize on). Hrm, I could go on but Best had an advantage, and whether it be nerves or just a bad idea, he blew a decent opportunity that first game. (He should have taken advantage of the slow lings and scouted until they got speed). It would have probably been a one sided rape had his initial probe scout survived / harrassed / denied expo / stayed in July's base. Testie's input, fair to say Best fucked up game 1, end of story. Game 2 was eloquent and risky, sure, but uncrackable? I personally think if Best sent more at least 75% of his probes stacked to his choke and perhaps made shield batteries instead of going the longer route of making a a forge-->cannon he probably would have had a better chance of blocking it imo. Nerves and lack of experience is what caused Best to lose this series, this will probably teach him well to become a better player, he doesn't seem like a Stork to me. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On July 14 2008 22:43 tomatriedes wrote: That's not what was being said. Read properly before you post. Then how is this going to stop people from FEing? FE has nothing to do with these games. If you don't think Best lost because of FE, then why do you think these games upset protoss using FE BOs? Think before you post. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10950 Posts
I loved the second game. And with the 3 being a drawn out one i was very happy. I can't stand it if someone *plays it save* because he is in a final. July did the exact opposite and cought best completly off guard. He just outsmarted him.. In game 2 Best was probably allready thinking about a giant Macro war when.. BAM :D. 5 pool is legitimate, there are reasons 3-4 years ago not every toss fast Exed, theyre called 5 and 6 pool. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On July 15 2008 21:10 araav wrote: err, what's that platinium mouse thing?? its 5 OSL title = Platinum mouse. The next upgrade to your VIP status in OSL or casino in Vegas. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On July 15 2008 18:59 BlackStar wrote: Then how is this going to stop people from FEing? FE has nothing to do with these games. If you don't think Best lost because of FE, then why do you think these games upset protoss using FE BOs? Think before you post. The point was- some people were complaining about July using so-called 'cheese' (5-pool). My point was that if a player keeps using an FE-build then using a 5-pool is a legitimate counter as you're exposing the protoss' early lack of defense 'gamble' in order to gain some sort of upper-hand. The typical protoss FE is a pretty safe 'gamble' of course and the fact that it is used so often against zerg reflects this. If you use the same kind of tactics often I think you deserve every now and then to have someone 'call' you on it as July did in game one by exposing its weakness. I wasn't trying to say that protoss will never use FE again because of this just that sometimes being surprised like Best was in game one can have an upsetting psychological effect on a player comfortable in using a particular tactic often in that he might start second-guessing himself a little more or feel the need to change his BO. IMO FE had something to do with game one at least because I think July's gamble in using the 5-pool build was predicated to a large extent on the fact that he knew there was a high likelihood of Best FEing on that map. If Best hadn't FEed then the 5-pool tactic would not have worked as well and he may have lost. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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