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[OSL] Grand Final: July versus BeSt - Page 82

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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7828 Posts
July 13 2008 05:10 GMT
#1621
So now BeSt fans are saying the finals wasn't good because July dominated him too fast? lol.
Lokust
Profile Joined January 2008
United States91 Posts
July 13 2008 07:04 GMT
#1622
Rofl, July pwned that shit up.... get over it best fans
BW 4 EveR!
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
July 13 2008 07:19 GMT
#1623
Wow, I'm so happy for July!
Seeing Bisu's picture made me think I was looking in the mirror in game two.
I wonder if that drone drill trick will change ZvP on Troy, it is just so powerful versus protoss quick tech. Even if it isn't used, the threat of it might influence toss's behavior versus players with strong micro.
There is nothing cuter than a zergling when it has just started taking crack
marshmallow
Profile Joined May 2007
United States93 Posts
July 13 2008 07:30 GMT
#1624
Zzz finals except for the big battle in game 3. I was hoping the clumped guards would evaporate to storm so we could have another game or two but alas. Good to see July being a force again though.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
July 13 2008 08:18 GMT
#1625
god july is so fucken pimp

balls of steel

BALLS OF FUCKEN STEEL

i love his style
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
July 13 2008 08:20 GMT
#1626
On July 13 2008 16:30 marshmallow wrote:
Zzz finals except for the big battle in game 3. I was hoping the clumped guards would evaporate to storm so we could have another game or two but alas. Good to see July being a force again though.


1. your crazy

2. July has always been a force

3. "Zzz finals" .......your crazy
stambe
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria492 Posts
July 13 2008 08:35 GMT
#1627
Hey, can someone post a link to July's interview after the games ?
Valks rulzz
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
July 13 2008 08:48 GMT
#1628
On July 13 2008 12:21 Plexa wrote:
You'll here more about my opinions on the finals within the coming day but this was a legendary final. July played like a champ, and Best played like he was still in the round of 16. July's preparation was perfect and spot on, and he knew what he needed to do to win. The andromeda game was amazing. Sure there were fuckups along the way, but there are things like that which are forgivable in a final. July strategy that game is perhaps the first new ZvP thing i've seen in years. I've seen a shitload of Sair/Reaver ZvP but i've never seen scourge/hydra -> guardian/hydra/ling to counter it. It was brilliant, and will be the birth of a new anti-sair/reaver im sure.


Hahah UGH why does everyone see something that isnt really that uncommon in a big match and think suddenly its gonna reform how a race plays vs a certain style. Guardians vs reavers has ALWAYS been a tool for brainy Zergs. Straight up, ive seen that shit as long as ive been playing which is getting dangerously close to 10 years. It works well when they transition out of corsair/reaver to ground unit mix. Not to overreact but there are simply reasons why it wont work a lot of the time and to anyone in this thread who thinks +1 armor scourge is new: Savior had been doing this back at the start of his reign, it is nothing new. Many Zergs start powering up air armor for the late game switch to muta/scourge to stop those annoying near invincible corner mass reaver drops.

Everything July did was textbook and shows why he is amazing ZvP. Nothing was questionable, everything he did was straight up and close timing moves ended in his favor barely. If you don't understand how Best reacted perfectly in Game 1 then still lost because he got caught by July who knew exactly what was coming then you are lost. And really game 3 made up for the "quickness" of this series.. I know everyone likes EPICCCCC series that go to the 5th match but it simply cant happen all the time. And really how could this be anymore upsetting of a series than July vs OOv or July vs Reach. At least in this one the player who people wanted to win won.
Broom
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
July 13 2008 09:07 GMT
#1629
No way!
July won his 3rd OSL!
He now has the Golden Mouse o.o
i was pretty shocked
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
July 13 2008 10:04 GMT
#1630
Hahaha. . . Good work, (Z)July. Drone drill was nice and 3rd game was good and mindboggled (P)Bisu was pure lulz!
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-13 13:35:16
July 13 2008 13:20 GMT
#1631
On July 13 2008 12:47 StRyKeR wrote:
July should have totally gone straight for the unguarded forge at BeSt's nat in order to give time for the couple of cannons to go up in his main. Everyone knows that without a forge, a warping cannon becomes disabled!
He had his zerglings doing nothing for 5 seconds and then ran them into the base and got even less done.

And the ling/hydra play in g3 -- July was totally not trying to fake an attack into BeSt's nat and forcing him to bring his corsairs and reavers back.

First of all, that's not what I'm talking about. When July first pops hydras, he makes a failed attack and you can hear the hydras dying outside Best's base. Best should've been popping overlords at that point.

The thing you're talking about is absolute bullshit. He didn't drop 20 hydras as a fake, it was a failed attack that would've been obliterated before the drop started by someone playing at a higher level, whose corsairs would kill things instead of dick around above Nexii chatting about their cool space ship decals. And look at Best's failed shuttle/reaver micro, missing the pick up. You can't call it the answer to sair/reaver when the sair/reaver play is that bad.

July's PvZ is unstoppable
See, that's the thing. What Jaedong did to Much was on a higher level than this. If this was Luxury getting his first trophy, you'd all be talking about how other Ps would've fared instead of immediately crowning him the king of Starcraft.

EDIT: To put it another way, July's power level was only 4,500. Best's power level was waaaaaaay below 3,000.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-13 13:52:06
July 13 2008 13:50 GMT
#1632
On July 13 2008 22:20 Jibba wrote:

What Jaedong did to Much was on a higher level than this.
EDIT: To put it another way, July's power level was only 4,500. Best's power level was waaaaaaay below 3,000.


Please stop spreading bullshit. Jaedong used a totally different style and Much simply had no solution to straight up mutalisks. You cannot even compare the two series sorry. That is simply lubricious.

This series came down to being well prepared, mental strength and execution. July did all of these things.

Stop trying to debunk a Legend's glory.

And power levels? ROFL, please.

I hate it when people talk about stuff they don't know, but I must say it is funny at the same time.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-13 14:38:33
July 13 2008 13:56 GMT
#1633
Because Sauron Zerg is so difficult to achieve against a P who doesn't harass until your ultras are out, right?
That is simply lubricious.

I'm not sure what lubricious is, but it sounds sexy.

And I'm not saying "Best lost it," I think July definitely won it. I think neither of them were as good as they could be.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 13 2008 14:17 GMT
#1634
On July 13 2008 17:48 red.venom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 12:21 Plexa wrote:
You'll here more about my opinions on the finals within the coming day but this was a legendary final. July played like a champ, and Best played like he was still in the round of 16. July's preparation was perfect and spot on, and he knew what he needed to do to win. The andromeda game was amazing. Sure there were fuckups along the way, but there are things like that which are forgivable in a final. July strategy that game is perhaps the first new ZvP thing i've seen in years. I've seen a shitload of Sair/Reaver ZvP but i've never seen scourge/hydra -> guardian/hydra/ling to counter it. It was brilliant, and will be the birth of a new anti-sair/reaver im sure.


Hahah UGH why does everyone see something that isnt really that uncommon in a big match and think suddenly its gonna reform how a race plays vs a certain style. Guardians vs reavers has ALWAYS been a tool for brainy Zergs. Straight up, ive seen that shit as long as ive been playing which is getting dangerously close to 10 years. It works well when they transition out of corsair/reaver to ground unit mix. Not to overreact but there are simply reasons why it wont work a lot of the time and to anyone in this thread who thinks +1 armor scourge is new: Savior had been doing this back at the start of his reign, it is nothing new. Many Zergs start powering up air armor for the late game switch to muta/scourge to stop those annoying near invincible corner mass reaver drops.

Everything July did was textbook and shows why he is amazing ZvP. Nothing was questionable, everything he did was straight up and close timing moves ended in his favor barely. If you don't understand how Best reacted perfectly in Game 1 then still lost because he got caught by July who knew exactly what was coming then you are lost. And really game 3 made up for the "quickness" of this series.. I know everyone likes EPICCCCC series that go to the 5th match but it simply cant happen all the time. And really how could this be anymore upsetting of a series than July vs OOv or July vs Reach. At least in this one the player who people wanted to win won.
I haven't seen anything like what July did in any of the games i've seen. Care to link me some shit? Im interested
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
sprawlers
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway439 Posts
July 13 2008 15:55 GMT
#1635
Plexa i think you should check out the games between savior and nal_ra from last WWI. think its till on youtube with tasteless commentary. guardian use against reaver sair on blitz x.

Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
July 13 2008 16:36 GMT
#1636
Damnit!

Best... =[
Mango @ U.S.East!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
July 13 2008 17:11 GMT
#1637
I can't believe people are complaining about 'cheese'. These neo-protoss players FE to macro play all the time. It's about time that the zerg players did something to upset their cosy little BOs.
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-13 18:35:31
July 13 2008 18:21 GMT
#1638
On July 13 2008 22:56 Jibba wrote:
Because Sauron Zerg is so difficult to achieve against a P who doesn't harass until your ultras are out, right?


July might play low economy a lot, but that doesn't make him a Sauron Zerg. If anything he is a Neo-Sauron Zerg.


Show nested quote +
That is simply lubricious.

I'm not sure what lubricious is, but it sounds sexy.


You knew what I meant. Sometimes I type to fast and have to re-check for spelling, grammar, etc.

Funny thing though, 'lubricious' is in fact a word and it does pertain to sex.

***

On July 14 2008 02:11 tomatriedes wrote:
I can't believe people are complaining about 'cheese'. These neo-protoss players FE to macro play all the time. It's about time that the zerg players did something to upset their cosy little BOs.


Agreed, it's about time. Hopefully now Protoss players will second guess the FE, so we get to see some change. If not, I hope players like July make them pay for it.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
July 13 2008 19:02 GMT
#1639
Best didn't lose because of FE, obviously. It's stupid to say that.

First game he just made an insane stupid gamble. Second game he didn't FE. Third game he lost a long game after a won early game.
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
July 13 2008 20:09 GMT
#1640
WOW, July is fucking amazing nowdays. Congrats to him
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
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