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[MSL] Jaedong vs HwaSin
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On June 19 2008 01:33 EvoChamber wrote: Jaedong beat Hwasin in an All-Stars match around last August or so, so the fact isn't completely true. Corrected OP | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3804 Posts
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imDerek
United States1944 Posts
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Heggie
United Kingdom167 Posts
Jaedong 3-2 Hwasin | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
Hwasin has been playing well recently, and T v Z is his specialty. On the other hand Jaedong seems to have lost his golden touch for T v Z, after crushing loses to Flash. However, I stil believe in Jaedong's monstrousness, and he's coming back with a passion and a fire. He's out to prove that he's the real bonjwa and he's not going to let some snivelling little brat steal even one game from him | ||
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
 Jaedong's 2-6 against terran in the past 3 months in TLPD. JD's mouse was screwed up last time against Hwasin though, so I hope he fares better this time. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2743 Posts
On June 19 2008 01:41 GeneralStan wrote: Jaedong 3-0 Insurance Hwasin has been playing well recently, and T v Z is his specialty. On the other hand Jaedong seems to have lost his golden touch for T v Z, after crushing loses to Flash. However, I stil believe in Jaedong's monstrousness, and he's coming back with a passion and a fire. He's out to prove that he's the real bonjwa and he's not going to let some snivelling little brat steal even one game from him red sniper isnt a "snivelling little brat". he will take out jaedong before the games even started. pew pew | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6633 Posts
I predict Hwasin 3-1 or 3-0 | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
 . I expect Hwasin to take this! | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On June 19 2008 01:50 fusionsdf wrote: I figure if bisu, flash and jaedong all start slumping and midas, nada and hwasin (and Iris) start winning again, there will be no other outcome than for savior to start dominating again PLEASE let this start happening | ||
Bub
United States3518 Posts
YES, PLEASE! | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On June 19 2008 01:46 ThePhan2m wrote: LOL that was great 'pew pew' xdred sniper isnt a "snivelling little brat". he will take out jaedong before the games even started. pew pew | ||
Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 19 2008 02:32 Aesop wrote: I am rooting for Hwasin, his TvZ style is vastly entertaining. Although semis could prove to be good too if Jaedong meets Much. Jaedong would absolutely destroy Much. His Z v P is untouchable at this point. | ||
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G5
United States2871 Posts
I love both players and want both to go far in this MSL. If I had a gun to my head, I would say I am rooting for Jaedong more simply because I enjoy watching him more. But Hwasin is so good, I want to see him break through and win a Starleague. He is very deserving of it and STX needs a Champion. July is there only champ and he won it in another team. Basically, whoever wins this, I hope wins the entire MSL. | ||
IntoTheWow
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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Emptyness
Bulgaria1016 Posts
 - Lee Jae Dong will win this - 3-0 or 3-1 (if Hwasin is lucky  ). | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
I have a dirty mind... My money's on gropers though! | ||
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Krzycho
Poland442 Posts
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
RED SNIPER FIGHTING Oh, one more thing, if you want to be an instant Hwasin fan then watch this video: | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
On June 19 2008 04:16 jwd241224 wrote: Oh, one more thing, if you want to be an instant Hwasin fan then watch this video: I loved this scene when I watched it live, so amazing. | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
Tiamat: 3-0 (100% terran win) Colloseum: 5-1 (83.3% terran win) Athena: 2-1 (66.7% terran win) Othello: 13-8 (61.9% terran win) Total: 23 - 10 (70% terran win) GL Jaedong For comparison, even sAviOr didnt have it nearly as bad when he went on his epic shinhan 3 OSL run on terran-favored maps. Hitchhiker: 14-16 Longinus 2: 28-17 Neo Araknoid: 11-10 Reverse Temple: 15-9 Total: 68-52 (57% terran win) | ||
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G5
United States2871 Posts
each game with have a combined 800+ apm I'm so excited rofl, I wish I was there in person to watch the fingers flying rofl | ||
disciple
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
On June 19 2008 04:28 Atrioc wrote: Stats for the maps tonight: Tiamat: 3-0 (100% terran win) Colloseum: 5-1 (83.3% terran win) Athena: 2-1 (66.7% terran win) Othello: 13-8 (61.9% terran win) Total: 23 - 10 (70% terran win) GL Jaedong For comparison, even sAviOr didnt have it nearly as bad when he went on his epic shinhan 3 OSL run on terran-favored maps. Hitchhiker: 14-16 Longinus 2: 28-17 Neo Araknoid: 11-10 Reverse Temple: 15-9 Total: 68-52 (57% terran win) The newer maps don't have as many games played on them, so it's still hard to tell (though it certainly seems that Terran has the advantage on these maps). However, you have to take one thing into account the statistics of Shinhan 3 OSL maps- most of the Zerg wins on those imbalanced maps are Savior's. So if you remove his wins, you can see the true statistics of the maps: Hitchhikari: 14-13 Longinus 2: 28-11 Neo Arkanoid: 11-8 Reverse Temple: 15-3 Total: 68 - 35 (66% Terran win) Jaedong can still win, but he's going to have to play on another level to defeat Hwasin on these maps (like how Savior played in his OSL run). I hope to see some interesting play from Jaedong to show doubters that he still has it. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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WorldCommunist8
United States226 Posts
On June 19 2008 02:43 GeneralStan wrote: Jaedong would absolutely destroy Much. His Z v P is untouchable at this point. That's what everyone told OversKy about Jaedong's ZvZ. And everyone knows the rest of the story. As for tonight, Hwasin 3-1 Jaedong Hwasin will win on Tiamat. He is 1-0 on the map, happening against Jaedong, Jaedong is 0-1 on the map, happening against.. you guessed it, Hwasin. The map is also 3-0 TvZ. Hwasin will win on Colosseum. He's only 1-0 on the map, and Jaedong is 2-0, but Jaedong hasn't faced a Terran on it and the map favors Terran in TvZ 5-1. Jaedong could steal Athena. He is 1-0, Hwasin is 1-1, and the map is only 2-1 in favor of Terran. Hwasin should win Othello. He is 4-0 on the map. Jaedong is 2-0, but the map favors Terran in TvZ 13-8. Throw in Hwasin's 66% win ratio versus Zerg, Jaedong's marginally slighter 63%, and Hwasin's 2-1 record against Jaedong, and no title defense for Jaedong this time. | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
but its a shame this match takes place in the Ro8 an epic match like this should be no less than a semifinals. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
I'd say if he gives his best Jaedong wins 3-1, if not Hwasin wins 3-1 or 3-2. Maps almost always have pro-TvZ stats anyway, nothing new there... but Jaedong is, like Savior before, not "just some Zerg". How bad the odds are doesn't matter to them, they rock(ed) anyway. | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On June 19 2008 04:58 WorldCommunist8 wrote: , and Hwasin's 2-1 record against Jaedong well to be fair he did have a broken mouse that one game | ||
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BreaK
Canada890 Posts
On June 19 2008 05:01 LosingID8 wrote: hwasin ez ez but its a shame this match takes place in the Ro8 an epic match like this should be no less than a semifinals. Agreed. Honestly, as a Terran player and semi-zerg hater, I would LOVE to see Hwasin win (even though I've never been a particularly big fan of his. However, I don't want to see someone as big as Jaedong is right now go down this early. I'm conflicted. | ||
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Motiva
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Burned Toast
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 19 2008 04:58 WorldCommunist8 wrote: That's what everyone told OversKy about Jaedong's ZvZ. And everyone knows the rest of the story. Winning 1 proleague game in ZvZ means the same thing as a ZvP Bo5. I'm smart. Hwasin vs Jaedong is really a coin flip. Jaedong crushed Hwasin last year, when Hwasin was at his hottest, in an epic macro fest. Hwasin recently beat Jaedong in a match where it appeared Jaedong's mouse was malfunctioning, seriously there is no other way to explain his unburrowed lurkers. At the same time, Jaedong has looked shaky in ZvT on Blue Storm of all maps, although they were against Mind and Ruby (and the Ruby game was more about Jaedong's overconfidence). Hwasin has looked good recently. Instead of looking at personal matchup statistics and map statistics, I think an important thing to consider is the best of 5 metagame. Personally, I do not believe Hwasin can beat Jaedong in a straight up marines+medics+vessels macro game. Flash couldn't. Hwasin has to do something early in the series to throw Jaedong off his comfort zone. He can ride Jaedong's ensuing shakiness to victory. If Jaedong wins comfortably in straight up macro games early on, then I feel his momentum will stop Hwasin cold if he tries any unorthodox stuff. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
That's great, i love rooting for an underdog. LJD fighting! | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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Hwasin will take the first set, then Jaedong will take the next three. The last 4 Bo5s Jaedong has played have gone that way. Coincidence? I think not. | ||
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AirBleach
United States123 Posts
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raga4ka
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trollbone
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
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United States967 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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On June 19 2008 05:43 raga4ka wrote: i hope he plays strategicly wise game like luxury does , he shouldn't have trouble with the maps if he practise with his teammates. I mean Lecaf has one of the scariest terran lineups if not the scariest i hope Jaedong is prepared for this yeah they have all of those good-but-not-great terrans like lomo, hiya, and forGG who probably don't give jaedong as much of a challenge as hwasin would. If jaedong practiced with flash... | ||
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Gregsen
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 19 2008 06:53 Sunyveil wrote: yeah they have all of those good-but-not-great terrans like lomo, hiya, and forGG who probably don't give jaedong as much of a challenge as hwasin would. If jaedong practiced with flash... Lomo and forGG are both in the RO8. When they both advance to RO4 and Hwasin is fallen, I will laugh (or at the very least, they've all fallen, because Flash vs Kal would be epic) | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On June 19 2008 05:29 ahole-surprise wrote: Hwasin recently beat Jaedong in a match where it appeared Jaedong's mouse was malfunctioning, seriously there is no other way to explain his unburrowed lurkers. who uses mouse to burrow lurkers?:O | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On June 19 2008 05:41 Sunyveil wrote: pshhhhh I can't believe anybody hasn't picked up on this yet. Hwasin will take the first set, then Jaedong will take the next three. The last 4 Bo5s Jaedong has played have gone that way. Coincidence? I think not. Thought exactly the same. JD is a monster in BO's that are greater than 1. Hwasin is a god in this MU, and JD has the odds against him for sure, but he IS a champion. He'll win 3-1 Epic nonetheless, and as someone else said, these games would fit better in atleast the RO4. | ||
NonY
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
jd vs hwa sin idk whod win though.... i want hwasin but i voted for jd seeing as his zvt is excellent. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
If your mouse is malfunctioning, your coordination in general is off, including clicking on the minimap where the lurkers are about to be killed. | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
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berkguyyy
United States151 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
I however see Hwasin winning 3:2 Takin 1st, 2nd, and 5th sets | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
So which program do I need? GOM or Daum? Or will Corinthos provide a hookup through WMP/VLC? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:28 ahole-surprise wrote: If your mouse is malfunctioning, your coordination in general is off, including clicking on the minimap where the lurkers are about to be killed. Not that im a macromonster of jaedong proportions, but wouldnt 10 hotkeys be enough for him to keep ur crucial lurker group hotkeyed at all times?^^ | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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lokiM
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:10 Kyuki wrote: Thought exactly the same. JD is a monster in BO's that are greater than 1. Hwasin is a god in this MU, and JD has the odds against him for sure, but he IS a champion. He'll win 3-1 Epic nonetheless, and as someone else said, these games would fit better in atleast the RO4. This is true. but all of hwasin's bo5's end up with a 5th game, in which he usually loses. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:40 kNyTTyM wrote: Even thought I like Hwasin much more than Dong, I want JD to win. A ZvT final with Jaedong vs Flash would be much more entertaining than hwasin vs flash. I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much. I however see Hwasin winning 3:2 Takin 1st, 2nd, and 5th sets ARE U CRAZY! ALL FLASH GAMES ARE JUST MACRO! | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:40 kNyTTyM wrote: I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much. I think Much would stand a strong chance of beating Insurance | ||
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kyjori
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On June 19 2008 08:17 ramen247 wrote: And?ARE U CRAZY! ALL FLASH GAMES ARE JUST MACRO! | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 19 2008 08:30 Corinthos wrote: There was an error from the source or TL, but it has been fixed (R1CH). Jaedong vs Hwasin is to be played next week, June 26th. Tonight's matches in group C will be between ForGG and Kal. NOOOOOOOO! I was sooo looking forward to this! | ||
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LosingID8
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:52 Sfydjklm wrote: Not that im a macromonster of jaedong proportions, but wouldnt 10 hotkeys be enough for him to keep ur crucial lurker group hotkeyed at all times?^^ Do you see how fast Jaedong multitasks? Progamers rely on rhythm for that kind of speed, when your mouse is malfunctioning, and try to imagine what a mouse malfunctioning feels like (and watch a Jaedong fpvod), you start to screw up a lot. I think your perspective is too biased in favor of the way you play, which is probably staring at your units for 10 seconds at a time. Also, even if he has his lurkers hotkeyed, he is cycling through a million things, trying to think of the next thing to do as he is about to do something. He spots red at his expo where his lurkers are, clicks on minimap to see what's up, but his mouse goes nuts and doesn't click correctly, meanwhile he's already in the midst of hotkeying back to his main to macro or something, and that amount of time, plus the frustration and probably continuous misslicks from the malfunctioning mouse, would be more than a enough time for Hwasin to take out the lurkers like he did. Does "^^" somehow suggest that you think you're right? So what's your explanation for the unburrowed lurkers, that he was so bad or Hwasin was so good that he was able to see his lurkers getting attacked but decided not to burrow them? Edit: Just rewatched the VOD, Jaedong gets visibly upset when his mutalisks wander into a group of marines+medics and one dies, now that's something to get upset over but not to the point that you start pounding your keyboard the way Jaedong did unless you felt like you lost them for reasons beyond your control (e.g your mouse is fucking up). Also, I saw his lurkers, given how fast he is, there is no reason he shouldn't have burrowed them in time. This isn't a matter of making bad decisions, his APM just won't allow him to not have his lurkers burrow in that spot unless something was very wrong. Also, this would explain why Jaedong would wave his new mouse around after beating Bisu in the final match of that group and his coach threw him another mouse after his games were over. You're wrong. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7755 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 19 2008 09:11 Vasoline73 wrote: Is this match SERIOUSLY not happening tonight? Wow what a let down. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On June 19 2008 09:11 Vasoline73 wrote: Is this match SERIOUSLY not happening tonight? eeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh? no T.T why edit: It's true T.T http://www.lecafoz.co.kr/game/schedule.asp?setDay_y=&idx=12 lecaf's site | ||
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imDerek
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 19 2008 10:44 Sigrun wrote: Wow, I was totally getting ready to watch this tonight too. I bought a case of beer. Was looking forward to this. Sigh... | ||
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kyjori
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jaedong will lose first game then come back to win next three like ALL HIS Bo5~~ HAHAHA | ||
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kyjori
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
BTW, huge let down. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
Also, I'd bet on Hwasin, but you can never count Jaedong out. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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houseurmusic
United States544 Posts
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
I feel HwaSin can make one win vs him. Jaedong isn't at his peak anymore, IMO. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12843 Posts
But I have not been following pro games much at all this year so wtf do I know?! Hwasin wins (but I hope Jaedong does). | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:13 NonY[rC] wrote: JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG First sensible post in the whole thread. (I like Hwasin too... but c'mon, it's fucking Jaedong.) | ||
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Narrator
United States868 Posts
HWASIN FIGHTING!~! DIE JAEDONG! | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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Spaceball
United States213 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On June 19 2008 14:27 Djabanete wrote: First sensible post in the whole thread. (I like Hwasin too... but c'mon, it's fucking Jaedong.) JD is poo ZvT since he got beat in the GSI by flash, now he is just anyother ZvT, and the only reason he is till in beacause ha has godly ZvZ and ZvP | ||
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DragoonPK
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On June 19 2008 14:53 Scaramanga wrote: JD is poo ZvT since he got beat in the GSI by flash, now he is just anyother ZvT, and the only reason he is till in beacause ha has godly ZvZ and ZvP The only thing Jaedong is good in is ZvP. His ZvZ is bullshit, it lost to oversky in the proleague that a WOW. He is useless. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12843 Posts
Jaedong is 1-7 ZvT since winning the last MSL season. O dear -______- | ||
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
On June 19 2008 15:17 RowdierBob wrote: =O Jaedong is 1-7 ZvT since winning the last MSL season. O dear -______- Well Terran has been raping zergs really hard for the last few months anyway. Even when zerg rarely wins, its mostly a less than 10 minute match, where mass zerglings catch the terran offguard, or failed cheese by the terran. I've hardly seen a zerg win an epic long game when they use ling/lurker/hydra/defiler in quite a long time. | ||
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
On June 19 2008 15:23 Highways wrote: Well Terran has been raping zergs really hard for the last few months anyway. Even when zerg rarely wins, its mostly a less than 10 minute match, where mass zerglings catch the terran offguard, or failed cheese by the terran. I've hardly seen a zerg win an epic long game when they use ling/lurker/hydra/defiler in quite a long time. unfortunately true, i think that nowadays with the terrans getting better and better mechanically their macro is so strong and basic, that in order for zerg to win late game against a pro he almost needs inhumane multitasking/apm. u already were amazed at saviors zvt at his prime, but lets face it, the terrans back then didnt have the crazy mechanics/macro many terrans nowadays have... Its looking really bleak for zerg atm in starcraft imo... | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Ozarugold
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On June 19 2008 15:37 diehilde wrote: unfortunately true, i think that nowadays with the terrans getting better and better mechanically their macro is so strong and basic, that in order for zerg to win late game against a pro he almost needs inhumane multitasking/apm. u already were amazed at saviors zvt at his prime, but lets face it, the terrans back then didnt have the crazy mechanics/macro many terrans nowadays have... Its looking really bleak for zerg atm in starcraft imo... We must use Queens to prevail! | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
+6000 but, it probably won't. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
 Edit : Jaedong vs Hwasin is next week WTF is going on ? So much for the Hype now can someone make a KAL vs ForGG topic ? | ||
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Hungary11261 Posts
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United States151 Posts
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Philippines8437 Posts
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WingSandrockX
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maybenexttime
Poland5474 Posts
The biggest upset in MSL so far. T___T | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On June 19 2008 18:40 maybenexttime wrote: The biggest upset in MSL so far. T___T hahaha | ||
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pockyD
United States14 Posts
should be a fun preview | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
On June 19 2008 21:27 Spyder wrote: it says it's june 19 and today we are june 19....where is the game -_-;; read up. Ah well: There was a mistake in the calendar, this game next week, today Kal and fOrGG played. Ok? | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
INADVERTENT MASSIVE HYPE THREAD GOOOO | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
ITS HWASINS MSL I TELL YOU!!! | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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United States10774 Posts
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United States3518 Posts
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
prove that Jaedong was bsing when he said his mouse was messed up! | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On June 20 2008 13:29 Darkmole wrote: go Hwasin! kick his @$$! prove that Jaedong was bsing when he said his mouse was messed up! Jaedong doesn't needto select to own. It just isn't necessary to beat people. The Drones send themselves to min patches... | ||
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
awesome hype! | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On June 25 2008 14:01 Carefree Me wrote: OP Suggestion: Maybe put down the list of maps and other relevant match information? I had that in my mind, but got too lazy to do so. Maybe next time | ||
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
As the last time they faced Jaedong made a terrible terrible mistake of going late mutas when he already saw vessels out. | ||
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
TvZ inlast 12 proleague matches: 10-2 I don't like Jaedong's chances, even though I want him to win. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On June 25 2008 21:43 Highways wrote: TvZ in this MSL: 11-3 TvZ inlast 12 proleague matches: 10-2 I don't like Jaedong's chances, even though I want him to win. Lol stats dont mean shit man, and not every zerg is jaedong NINJA EDIT: i do agree with you though, jd is fudged | ||
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
On June 25 2008 21:44 Scaramanga wrote: Lol stats dont mean shit man, and not every zerg is jaedong NINJA EDIT: i do agree with you though, jd is fudged It not just about stats, if you have been following TvZ lately you know how much zerg are getting owned. Terran are doing whatever builds they want from bunker rushing, fe, wraiths, proxies and still winning comfortably. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
edit: Oh, and if you wonder about which maps are going to be played, of course it's nice to have them in the OP, but they are just one click away hidden in the calendar. So no biggie. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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st4ck0v3rfl0w
79 Posts
MSL stats Last Months PL stats | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
Zergs kept losing their expos, and only Luxury can make up for this weakness currently. Watch Flash vs Luxury series in OSL. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Jaedong is going to own this up. Hwasin managed to get a huge early lead with his cheesy vultures, but had a very difficult time sealing the deal. Unless Hwasin manages to get a similar early lead three games in the series, I just don't see him being able to compete with JD in the mid to late game | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
On June 25 2008 23:18 GeneralStan wrote: Spoiler JD vs Hwasin @ proleague + Show Spoiler + Jaedong is going to own this up. Hwasin managed to get a huge early lead with his cheesy vultures, but had a very difficult time sealing the deal. Unless Hwasin manages to get a similar early lead three games in the series, I just don't see him being able to compete with JD in the mid to late game + Show Spoiler + Let's not forget that Jaedong also slowed Hwasin down a lot via zergling harass (forced cancelling of the almost-done nat CC) and actually made up a lot for the early vulture play. Hwasin's economy after that very quick proxy fac was also very weak. The vultures did have some effect on the outcome (as did Jaedong's awry judgment), but it was clearly Hwasin's excellent marine/medic control and game sense that won him the match. Hwasin > Jaedong (3:1) | ||
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New104
United States127 Posts
I think Hwasin will take this series if they both decide to play straight up games. Hwasin also seems to be trying to shed away his predictability recently, in the past, his opponents could expect him to play standard and FE. Hwasin may have cheesed to gain an advantage on Blue Storm, but I think unpredictability is the aspect Hwasin lacked in order to win a starleague. Lets not forget that these 2 played each other in proleague twice this round: + Show Spoiler + Win this MSL Hwasin and lead STX to a proleague title. I believe | ||
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
But I think Jaedong is a favorite in a best of five. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On June 25 2008 23:18 GeneralStan wrote: Spoiler JD vs Hwasin @ proleague + Show Spoiler + Jaedong is going to own this up. Hwasin managed to get a huge early lead with his cheesy vultures, but had a very difficult time sealing the deal. Unless Hwasin manages to get a similar early lead three games in the series, I just don't see him being able to compete with JD in the mid to late game + Show Spoiler + JD managed to survive those vultures without huge losses. Remember that Hwasin did a ridiculous 8 rax 9 gas build, and then had his expo delayed by lings. Going into the mid game it was just about even, but it was JD's awful decision to build mutas all of which he lost to 2 irradiates that set him behind. After that, Hwasin's vessel tech was too quick and irradiate didn't let him ever get enough lurkers at once to fight the mm. Marines are imbalanced. + Show Spoiler + Kidding! | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
On June 25 2008 23:46 New104 wrote: Hwasin Hwaiting!!! ... Win this MSL Hwasin and lead STX to a proleague title. I believe And so do I | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On June 26 2008 00:50 ramen247 wrote: hwasin will win of course. jaedong has to take 2 consecutive games now. You are thoroughly confused. OSL is the league that has bo3's split up into two days for the ro8. MSL does that for the ro16 and switches to bo5's all on one day for the ro8. The match that Hwasin and Jaedong recently played was for STX vs Lecaf in the Proleague. So this MSL match between Hwasin and Jaedong is simply a bo5 that will start and finish all in one night. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 25 2008 23:42 tracer wrote: + Show Spoiler + Let's not forget that Jaedong also slowed Hwasin down a lot via zergling harass (forced cancelling of the almost-done nat CC) and actually made up a lot for the early vulture play. Hwasin's economy after that very quick proxy fac was also very weak. The vultures did have some effect on the outcome (as did Jaedong's awry judgment), but it was clearly Hwasin's excellent marine/medic control and game sense that won him the match. Hwasin > Jaedong (3:1) + Show Spoiler + Lets not forget that JD lost a full harass group of mutas to 2 irradiates and STILL managed to stick in with Insurance. JD isn't going to be making such mistakes ^^ Monster Zerg > Insurance 3:2 | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On June 26 2008 01:43 MadNeSs wrote: noone can beat JD in a bo5, not even flash, so why should little hwasin even have a chance? Thats kind of because he couldn't make it to the bo5 stage in the last two OSL's. MSL he did prove himself though. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On June 26 2008 02:05 OneOther wrote: Because Hwasin's TvZ>Flash's TvZ When Hwasin beats Luxury in a BO3, I'll agree with this. Until then, it's a difficult proposition to prove this | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 26 2008 01:43 MadNeSs wrote: noone can beat JD in a bo5, not even flash, so why should little hwasin even have a chance? I love you bro you're the wisest man on TL Håber fandme også JD smadrer HwaSin totalt! Edit: Forresten dejligt at se en dansker herinde | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
How many times have we watched him lose a close series to the eventual champion or runner-up? Too many. No more pain for this poor Terran warrior, I say! Also I'd like to mention that Hwasin has already kind of won one Bo5 against JD - he's 3-0 against JD this year! Hwasin fighting~ crush this Zerg scum | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
On June 26 2008 01:43 MadNeSs wrote: noone can beat JD in a bo5, not even flash, so why should little hwasin even have a chance? Rock did it! | ||
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Ryot
Canada316 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
He may not win them all the time, but Hwasin has always faced monsters and held his ground strong. He was the first terran to find a chink in Savior's armor but unlike that rival, he has evolved and furthered his game to a scary level. I mean, have you seen the kid TvZ???? He's been known as TvZ ace for over 2 years now. | ||
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rkarhu
Finland570 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 26 2008 05:53 Tinithor wrote: Anyone who still thinks that jaedong will win is either blind or doesnt care about general trends, jaedong's play lately, or logic in general. Is this why you were certain Lucifer would 2-0 Jaedong in this MSL? | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
I've been waiting for this for a long time | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
I'm gonna predict 3-1 Hwasin, in mostly short and very aggressive games. | ||
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Pepsicolaone
United States967 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 26 2008 07:20 Tinithor wrote: I was hoping Lucifer would beat Jaedong cause i liked Lucifer, then i saw he had terrible PvZ..... He lost to magma yesterday.... was quite sad.... "I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Lucifer beats him" - Tinitor | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On June 26 2008 08:27 ahole-surprise wrote: "I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Lucifer beats him" - Tinitor So? I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Hwasin beats him | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On June 26 2008 09:12 Tinithor wrote: So? I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Hwasin beats him -_- That's not how it works. | ||
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On June 26 2008 09:31 Sigrun wrote: Maybe Tinithor is the mindless one. Exactly | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
lol, Hwasin had to cheese to beat him in PL. Even then, he wasn't astronomically ahead at some points. I couldn't believe how hard of a fight JD was putting up. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On June 26 2008 10:18 Quesadilla wrote: Too bad vultures are not a cheese, Hwasin has beaten Jaedong straight up in the past, and Hwasin had to struggle because his 'cheese' left him at the same economic disadvantage JD had, especially when he slowed Hwasin's expansion with packs of lings...JD 3-2 lol, Hwasin had to cheese to beat him in PL. Even then, he wasn't astronomically ahead at some points. I couldn't believe how hard of a fight JD was putting up. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Tic Toc clock has come, Jae-DONG is one tough son of a gun, Here comes the STRIFE HWASIN, you be lucky to be leaving the arena with YOUR LIFE FOR THE SWARM | ||
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tre2ettsexsju
Sweden248 Posts
JD should win 3-0 or 3-1 so I don't have to have to get all nervous ;< ps the PL game meant nothing! NOTHING I TELL YOU | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
so sad, we need to see flash v jaedong in a finals at some point, but it seems as though it's not to be. | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
Jaedong isn't doing so well right now. HwaSin's doing well right now. Both are good at ZvT, TvZ respectively BUT GO HWASIN! | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
On June 26 2008 11:58 HaLLeBaRy wrote: how much does hwasin get payed? OVER 9000$ | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
thats not very much for someone with his fanbase ;\ or did you mean over 90,000 | ||
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Descent
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
On June 26 2008 11:59 HaLLeBaRy wrote: thats not very much for someone with his fanbase ;\ or did you mean over 90,000 lol...i can't tell if this is a serious response or not. if it is, lol. | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
seriosuly how much does he get a year | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On June 26 2008 13:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: The only VODs since Bisu vs Mind that I intend to watch without checking the results beforehand. I would,but i might falter to avoid any possible feelings of dread if hwasin wins slowly. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I spent today watching Calm Vs Hwasin from the iest, Savior vs hwasin 1.14 ( from the replay savior pack) Savior vs hwasin (msl?youtube or was it osl dunno!), hwasin vs GGplay and 2 vods jaedong vs hwasin. My final verdict hwasin is fucking scary. The vs calm/savior games were televised ones in which he went rax first 3 times , proxy rax, PL proxy fact, constant vicious drops and perfectly timmed MnM pushes ... to make it simple his TvZ is more varied then any other (shhh lomo isn't varied he consistently goes wraith now ^^; ) Terran in the big leagues. fuckJAEDONG FIGHTING~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! BRING YOUR A GAME OR JUST FORFEIT THE MATCH HWASIN IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO BRING THE HEAT! | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Schedule] + j/k | ||
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
GO HWASIN! | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On June 26 2008 13:59 pachi wrote: Oops another mistake. This week is Flash/Lomo. + Show Spoiler [Schedule] + j/k FU! scared me jeez | ||
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Apanthropy1
United States14 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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AirBleach
United States123 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On June 26 2008 14:05 Apanthropy wrote: At least Hwasin won't be able to proxy fac 5 games in a row ;< sure? | ||
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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JIJI
Canada291 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
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G5
United States2871 Posts
but go jaedong! | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On June 26 2008 15:42 yOko[LuNyA] wrote: is the stream going to be on OGN or MBC? well it's the MBC Starleague so I'm going to go out on a limb and guess MBC. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 26 2008 15:45 Fr33t wrote: Are these times as inconvenient for the rest of the world as they are for east coast americans? I couldn't think of a worse standard game time than 5-6 AM! Try westcoast 2:30-4:00 a.m ... at least yours is ok with an early bedtime, mine requires covert obsession t.t, my girlfriend makes me go to bed for sex before I can get up for bw... and go to work in the morning t.t I'm dying GOGO JAEDONG | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
HWASIN HWAITING!!! | ||
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toshi
Poland469 Posts
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VioleTAK
Israel4279 Posts
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WingSandrockX
Korea (North)1164 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 16:58 WingSandrockX wrote: TRUE THAT! Fuck...I want to sleep earlier but this match is too crazy for me to sleep...it's gonna be at 2:30AM Sleep around 4:30-5am and wake up at 3pm the next day...The east coast has it better...you can sleep at 10-11pm and wake up right before the match starts easily...FUCK I have this match at 12:30 in the afternoon Normally I wont be able to see it since i would be at school, but luckily this match happens during summer holiday TSL matches start at 11:30pm for me and they were on school nights for me T_T (i had to sleep late) TL.net attack starts at 12:00 midnight for me on a school night so i cant really see that Korean games come around 10:30am or 12:30pm for me (school hours but convenient in the summer) | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 17:22 OneOther wrote: why is time going so slow LOL Same here | ||
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G5
United States2871 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 17:44 G5 wrote: all of the maps statistically favor T over Z 3 of them do statistically Hwarangdo is 50% TvZ (statistically) im not sure if Hwarangdo favors one or the other though (im not that good at SC T_T) Edit: sry i was looking at Lux vs best maps | ||
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Spyder
176 Posts
On June 26 2008 14:59 Little-Chimp wrote: Jaedong will lose first game like always then crush Hwasin the next 3 ya i thought that too, he lost the first game vs Stork, then vs Flash, Kal....and in the remaining games he crushed them xD | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
Ever since Savior and Bisu have been out of it actually, its been much less interesting anyway. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On June 26 2008 17:51 FieryBalrog wrote: MSL is really neglected this season =/ Ever since Savior and Bisu have been out of it actually, its been much less interesting anyway. which is funny because the MSL games have been quite amazing. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
Looks like Mind vs ... damn, TvT. | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:06 Dromar wrote: Oh awesome! "Show me the MSL" is on just before the match. Looks like Mind vs ... damn, TvT. Is it Flash? Or Lomo | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
Dunno, but it's Mind v Terran on Loki (II probably), and it's probably from last year, like all the other games on "Show me the MSL" @people trying to watch: Here's what I do. Download TVants from yaoyuan website or wherever you want really. Then install it and open the TVants program from your start menu. It'll list a bunch of channels in Korean. Just search for the one in english labeled "MBC GAME LIVE." If you're quick you can even watch this awesome TvT. | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:08 WindCalibur wrote: this is urgent..where can you watch this T_T yaoyuan on IE (u need TV antz) corinthos' stream if its posted dunno what else -_- but i think there were more... | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:12 Dromar wrote: Dunno, but it's Mind v Terran on Loki (II probably), and it's probably from last year, like all the other games on "Show me the MSL" Probably Oov or Memory who he faced on Loki II in GOM MSL season 3 or Nada/Shine in season 4 (TLPD)Edit: Mind also faced Hwasin on loki II in season 3. Since hwasin is playing today and hwasin won that match, I'm assuming its him | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:08 WindCalibur wrote: this is urgent..where can you watch this T_T This was helpful for me, and pretty hilarious | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
well if its mind tvt in msl its probably either iloveoov or memory | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:16 o3.power91 wrote: Probably Oov or Memory who he faced on Loki II in GOM MSL season 3 or Nada/Shine in season 4 (TLPD)Edit: Mind also faced Hwasin on loki II in season 3. Since hwasin is playing today and hwasin won that match, I'm assuming its him Yeah, at the top it said GOMTV MSL Season 3, and Mind is losing, so probably Hwasin. I think every episode of Show me the MSL that I've seen, the FP view guy loses. | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:20 Dromar wrote: Yeah, at the top it said GOMTV MSL Season 3, and Mind is losing, so probably Hwasin. I think every episode of Show me the MSL that I've seen, the FP view guy loses. Hwasin's name is displayed so its him for sure | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
Weird. | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:23 FieryBalrog wrote: So Jaedong vs Hwasin isn't happening today after all. Or just really late. Weird. 5 mins left according to TL time | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:23 FieryBalrog wrote: So Jaedong vs Hwasin isn't happening today after all. Or just really late. Weird. what? still got 6 minutes until scheduled time bro | ||
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:23 FieryBalrog wrote: So Jaedong vs Hwasin isn't happening today after all. Or just really late. Weird. uh... there is still a few minutes before 18:30 KST | ||
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KimmoL
Norway256 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:23 FieryBalrog wrote: So Jaedong vs Hwasin isn't happening today after all. Or just really late. Weird. 5 mins till start, could someone post stream? | ||
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CA10824 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:25 LosingID8 wrote: uh... there is still a few minutes before 18:30 KST Oo.. I misread. Thought it was 16:30 KST | ||
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United States4448 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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b0ng
Czech Republic82 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
mms://67.222.131.138:2323 vlc: mmsh://67.222.131.138:2323 | ||
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b0ng
Czech Republic82 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
Looks like it's starting. gg gl hf go JD. | ||
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shikhye
Germany302 Posts
cu hwasin! | ||
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WingSandrockX
Korea (North)1164 Posts
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:33 Corinthos wrote: Stream: mms://67.222.131.138:2323 vlc: mmsh://67.222.131.138:2323 THX THX THX THX YOU ARE TRUELY AWESOME THX THX THX THX | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1014 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:33 b0ng wrote: thx Corinthos Thx, I appreciate it! | ||
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United States10774 Posts
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:33 Corinthos wrote: Stream: mms://67.222.131.138:2323 vlc: mmsh://67.222.131.138:2323 <3 | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msl20088a00053754dn8.jpg) statistic shows... Hawsin has it in the bag | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
the last zerg | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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gravity
Australia1748 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:33 Corinthos wrote: Stream: mms://67.222.131.138:2323 vlc: mmsh://67.222.131.138:2323 Thanks, YaoYuan wasn't working for me today. | ||
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traced
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On June 26 2008 18:33 Corinthos wrote: Stream: mms://67.222.131.138:2323 vlc: mmsh://67.222.131.138:2323 Genius + Love = Corinthos | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:37 anch wrote: statistic shows... Hawsin has it in the bag Well JD has beaten a 100 % TvZ record before And what stats helped Flash in his 0-2 loss against Luxury?? Check the LB on that one | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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OneOther
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KimmoL
Norway256 Posts
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United States5784 Posts
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OneOther
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United States6599 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
3 hatch from JD | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
evo out before spire starts, no hydra den in sight | ||
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United States196 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
oh nvm GET HIM GET HIM | ||
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United States967 Posts
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philsa
United States196 Posts
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France1905 Posts
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WingSandrockX
Korea (North)1164 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Fuck the fucking Mutas and go Lurkers! Anything else.. Please! | ||
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philsa
United States196 Posts
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United States6599 Posts
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
Red Sniper hwaiting | ||
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Germany3252 Posts
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lamarine
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Although I usually vote for Terran, I want Jaedong to make it through to beat Flash | ||
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On June 26 2008 18:51 Vasoline73 wrote: Lol. Jaedong with a look of extreme pain in his eyes. He looks like he's given up already. Although I usually vote for Terran, I want Jaedong to make it through to beat Flash with that zvt he just showed his "beating flash" may be a long time post poned | ||
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Moved out as mutas popped and threatened jaedongs morphing 3rd to keep mutas defending and then just got a big ball and ran him over. | ||
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On June 26 2008 18:52 .kaz wrote: Hwasin went 1 rax cc -> 4 rax Moved out as mutas popped and threatened jaedongs morphing 3rd to keep mutas defending and then just got a big ball and ran him over. Good summary. Hwasin got early ebay but JD got early evo as well. | ||
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Corinthos
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mms://66.197.236.55:1111 vlc: mmsh://66.197.236.55:1111 | ||
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C'mon Jaedong, show us your true form. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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It'd be pretty hilarious if Hwasin ran over Jaedong 2 more times like that, though lol | ||
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On June 26 2008 18:54 M2 wrote: no ads? between the first two games? Very quick first game, no need for a break I guess. | ||
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On June 26 2008 18:56 3nickma wrote: I just don't understand how he so fast can go from IMBA mutas to just dead weight??? its called hwasin fighting! | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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oh man those lurks better be ready soon | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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lol Hwasin saves one marine | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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at least he has a vessel on the way?? | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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Hwasin's still gonna need to get more vessels but it's not looking quite as bad now? | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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dang Hwasin keeping in this, though he almost lost those vessels | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
dropship out, let's see where that goes | ||
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Turkey340 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:04 tracer wrote: I missed the first game. Can someone recap what happened real quick? many marines, not many muta pew pew expo dead jaedong gg | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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ultra den going up =/ | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
Hwasin losing a lot of marines for nothing though, in contrast to his Boxeresque micro just moments ago. | ||
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United States2145 Posts
PLAGUUUUUU!! on everything. | ||
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I CAN'T WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD!!!!!!! WHY U HATE ME????[/emo] | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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omg deal with those two lings in your base hwasin | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
go jaedong altho i like hwasin as well | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3804 Posts
muta seems pretty stupid in comparison now doesnt it | ||
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Germany3252 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
It's okay, we expected Jaedong to take a game, finish him off Hwasin! | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:15 blabber wrote: lol anyone else notice the girl sitting there emotionless. And then while still emotionless, covered her face with her sign, as if that was her sole purpose in life: to cover her face with her sign. yes the one in the middle she stood out like a sore thumb | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
You fucking rock and raped him that game! Do NOT go mutas anymore in this series just pure luker ownage! | ||
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United States196 Posts
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251
United States1401 Posts
gogo jaedong | ||
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Canada637 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:18 elias poncho wrote: Did anyone else thing jaedong's micro was a bit sloppy that game? Just leaving scourge out and walking some defilers right into marines? apparently not sloppy enough | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:18 philsa wrote: Hwasin. please don't choke and win the next two games HwaSin.. Please DO choke the next two games and LOOSE! Well if JD keeps playing like that it doesn't really matter if HwaSin chokes or not | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:18 HaLLeBaRy wrote: yes the one in the middle she stood out like a sore thumb weird. I noticed it too and gom... why must you fail me today of all days T.T | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:18 elias poncho wrote: Did anyone else thing jaedong's micro was a bit sloppy that game? Just leaving scourge out and walking some defilers right into marines? I noticed a couple things like that. When he sent some lurker/ling up to defend his base (and eventual other 2 bases) at 11, he had a defiler with, and Hwasin sniped the defiler, and it's like, "Those 3 lurkers and 6 lings aren't gonna cut it without a defiler." Then my stream buffered. But he didn't lose his base at 10, so I dunno. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:20 kNyTTyM wrote: weird. I noticed it too and gom... why must you fail me today of all days T.T I totally noticed her too. It's weird how someone so inconspicuous can be so... conspicuous | ||
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Norway2743 Posts
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Norway439 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:26 tracer wrote: Hmm... as long as Hwasin doesn't make any more stupid judgments, I'm still going with him 3:1. He had this game in his hands, then lost it when he decided killing one morphing lurker egg would give greater returns than killing the morphing hatchery. I say the same. Just about Jaedong. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:27 ThePhan2m wrote: could someone tell me what game that was in MSL rewind, where toss uses scouts to defend vs the terran? ForGG v Kal Game 1 and/or Game 5. They were both pretty similar. Actually, from the positions, my memory says it was game 1. Pretty sure Kal was at 5 in game 5. | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:29 Dromar wrote: ForGG v Kal Game 1 and/or Game 5. They were both pretty similar. Actually, from the positions, my memory says it was game 1. Pretty sure Kal was at 5 in game 5. You should look at Game 1 since he actually won that game thank to scouts. | ||
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Korea (South)17726 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:29 Dromar wrote: ForGG v Kal Game 1 and/or Game 5. They were both pretty similar. Actually, from the positions, my memory says it was game 1. Pretty sure Kal was at 5 in game 5. i think that was game 1, but yeah, similar | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
4DRONE!!! | ||
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United States10774 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:29 Dromar wrote: ForGG v Kal Game 1 and/or Game 5. They were both pretty similar. Actually, from the positions, my memory says it was game 1. Pretty sure Kal was at 5 in game 5. that was game 1 no golis in game 5 | ||
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shikhye
Germany302 Posts
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sprawlers
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Aesop
Hungary11261 Posts
omg, this could be harsh | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
4pool | ||
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Turkey340 Posts
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tracer
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:31 Tropics wrote: jaedong @ minhack lol, that's what I thought. | ||
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Germany302 Posts
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Puosu
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I REGAINED MY CONFIDENCE IN YOU JAE DONG GOSU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhh | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
come on hwasin | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
FUCK YOU HWASIN! HAHAHAHAH | ||
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Korea (South)3227 Posts
Match up to Jaedong squarely. You have the skills to do so. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Why use skill when you can 4 pool ? | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
. FUCK all the terrans who BBS shit | ||
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Korea (South)248 Posts
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I love you daum | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:35 tracer wrote: It would be fucking awesome if JD 4pooled again in game 4. It might happen. I hope not, these two players are up for entertaining games and 4 pool is not really what I want to watch when its TvZ HwaSin vs JD.... Game two was cool and both players showed skill. This game was pure shit. no matter how a 4pool turns out. its boring because the game is over in 3 minutes either way... | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
You can always think it sucks, but it takes balls | ||
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Korea (South)17726 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:36 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: omg (*&$% unupdated OP. what's the score?? 2:1 favor for jaedong | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
oh wait | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:37 Sewi wrote: I hope not, these two players are up for entertaining games and 4 pool is not really what I want to watch when its TvZ HwaSin vs JD.... Game two was cool and both players showed skill. This game was pure shit. no matter how a 4pool turns out. its boring because the game is over in 3 minutes either way... there's this thing called 'metagame' | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:34 Sewi wrote: :/ I lost all my respect for JD now. What a noob Watch the 1st game again. Hwasin deliberately made his barracks late so that he could rape Jaedong later on in the game. It was an unfair advantage that Jaedong simply cannot let a terran of Hwasin's caliber have. Jaedong played 4 pool to teach Hwasin a lesson. Don't delay your barrack timing to suit your own purposes. Don't like that? You might as well see 10 minute no rush game from the two. | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
lol ive been on this laggy gom stream forever | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:37 Exhale85 wrote: how much balls does it take to risk a 4 pool in a semi finals of a star league after tied 1-1? 5? | ||
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Korea (South)693 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:37 Exhale85 wrote: how much balls does it take to risk a 4 pool in a semi finals of a star league after tied 1-1? Hwasin can prove he has more balls when he center BBS's, down 1-2 in the semifinals of a Star League. | ||
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JoxxOr
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![[image loading]](http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5613/hwasinfaketw4.jpg) Karma | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
Turkey340 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:36 tracer wrote: It's interesting to think, 4pool is often blocked in D/D+ ICCUP pub games but Hwasin can't stop it. It's more of a luck thing than skill | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:38 shikhye wrote: how can these booths be any soundproof? the walls look so thin? The game sound is pumped through speakers in the booths, and they wear those big sound cancelling earmuffs to block out outside noise | ||
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shikhye
Germany302 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:38 noojOh wrote: wait daum has this on? lol ive been on this laggy gom stream forever daum works great today! no lag at all! | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:38 philsa wrote: he 4 pooled cuz he can't win otherwise did you watch the game IMMEDIATELY PREVIOUS to that one where jaedong shitraped hwasin on a map that favors terran over zerg | ||
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traced
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On June 26 2008 19:38 philsa wrote: he 4 pooled cuz he can't win otherwise well no, but i think hwasin has had better mechanics this series | ||
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United States187 Posts
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Germany302 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:39 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: The game sound is pumped through speakers in the booths, and they wear those big sound cancelling earmuffs to block out outside noise ah thanks for explanation | ||
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Samurai-
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On June 26 2008 19:40 tracer wrote: I want this to go to set 5. Plz plz. same, really pathetic game 3 due to length | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Jaedong tought Hwasin a lesson. It's not because he lacked the skills. Jaedong CAN beat Hwasin straight up, but he can't let Hwasin get away with extra greedy builds. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
The signs were there, Hwasin just didn't read them. | ||
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Dromar
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On June 26 2008 19:42 Exhale85 wrote: Hopefully fast Lurx. Terrans seemed to have perfected Muta-harrass defense Yeah it's disgusting how good Terrans are at defending harass from 3 hatch (or even 2 hatch) muta. | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
Hwasin is crashing... | ||
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United States187 Posts
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Germany302 Posts
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tracer
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On June 26 2008 19:45 Exhale85 wrote: omg JF microd his mutas for once in a long ass time Jaefong. | ||
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o3.power91
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On June 26 2008 19:45 Exhale85 wrote: omg JF microd his mutas for once in a long ass time WTF JIANFEI? | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
Hwasin must be kinda shocked right now hehe. | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:46 meegrean wrote: 3rd game = epic Hwasin must be kinda shocked right now hehe. Yea, I get the feeling from Hwasin's face expressions and general mannerisms that he was expecting to take the series easy. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
this reminds me of that one game on blue storm where he was double harassing with 2 groups of mutas at once | ||
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On June 26 2008 00:36 Kyuki wrote: I dont care what people say about JDs slumping ZvT. He will own it up in a BO5. Now what? | ||
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On June 26 2008 01:43 MadNeSs wrote: noone can beat JD in a bo5, not even flash, so why should little hwasin even have a chance? I told you guys! JD Can NOT be beaten in a bo5, ever! | ||
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This is so sexy, seriously, nothing compares. | ||
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On June 25 2008 10:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote: JD 3-1 or 3-2 @ MSL. JD losing in proleague/bo1 means nothing... he's lost the first game of so many bo3 and bo5 matches... it's like his warmup game. After that, rape mode is activated. ! | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:51 ArvickHero wrote: finally hwasin gg's what was up with that Serious question? Bad mistake in game two. 4 pool in game three. And then that? All that work to get to Ro8 and then lose like that, who cares if he stayed in the game a few seconds longer than he should have. | ||
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Highways
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Jaedong Fighting. someone seriously update the OP | ||
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ShloobeR
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'Then I Shall try MORE mutas!' | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:54 .kaz wrote: Serious question? Bad mistake in game two. 4 pool in game three. And then that? All that work to get to Ro8 and then lose like that, who cares if he stayed in the game a few seconds longer than he should have. yeah if he killed that hatch in game two he's maybe up 2-0 | ||
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MCMcEmcee
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Much as I wanted Hwasin to win, it's good to see Jaedong finding some of his old form again. If he can fix up some of the hiccups from tonight, I don't really see anybody except an in-form Flash giving him trouble for a while. lol @ fangirls crying | ||
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United States1654 Posts
And for those complaining about Jaedong's 4 pool, it was Hwasin's own fault for not blocking the ramp with SCVs. If he had defended that properly he would have won it. Plus, payback for Hwasin's proxy Factory. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:54 .kaz wrote: Serious question? Bad mistake in game two. 4 pool in game three. And then that? All that work to get to Ro8 and then lose like that, who cares if he stayed in the game a few seconds longer than he should have. Also losing a BO5 series for like the third time to the defending champion. I can't even imagine how shitty Hwasin feels like right now. Game 2 he fucked up, Game 3 4 pool. He couldn't recover from that in Game4 it seems. He's one of the best Terrans yet he just can't win a damn series | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:56 OneOther wrote: Also losing a BO5 series for like the third time to the defending champion. I can't even imagine how shitty Hwasin feels like right now. Game 2 he fucked up, Game 3 4 pool. He couldn't recover from that in Game4 it seems. He's one of the best Terrans yet he just can't win a damn series actaully its the 4th time he's been up vs the defending champion it's ok hwasin, there's always next time! i still have faith! | ||
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~chut~
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On June 26 2008 19:51 Aesop wrote: That game 3 totally broke it for Hwasin. Extremely clever play by JD. Yeah, just what i thought. He made him pay for what looked like Hwasin's only weakness today. That's pretty impressive. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2743 Posts
he is like stork, loses when it matters the most | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:56 ThePhan2m wrote: bisu vs jaedong next proleague match Woah your right. Now that's exciting! You better get your pvz back to its form Bisu! | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:58 ~chut~ wrote: Yeah, just what i thought. He made him pay for what looked like Hwasin's only weakness today. That's pretty impressive. Hwasin's biggest weakness was overconfidence after game 1. When his marines/medics were pounding on those lurker eggs, he was probably thinking "Yea, I won, 2:0." He never had the slightest inkling that JD MIGHT, just MIGHT have zerglings. | ||
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kramus
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also, 0-1 to 3-1 vs. stork, flash, mind, kal ? | ||
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On June 26 2008 19:59 Exhale85 wrote: I'd like to comment on how fucking SICK Lecaf OZ is. 3 players in the semis of MSL and OSL You mean 1 in osl...? | ||
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On June 26 2008 20:00 kramus wrote: jaedong is such a genius series player. to this day only rock has beaten him in a bo5, but that's rock we're talking about, no shame in that also, 0-1 to 3-1 vs. stork, flash, mind, kal ? Yeah haha. JD is 7-0 in Set 3, whereas Hwasin is 0-3. JD's obvious pattern = game 1: try to play straight up, lose game 2: win somehow game 3: cheese win game 4: get in the other guy's head and win whatever gets him the victory I guess :p | ||
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Pangolin
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On June 26 2008 20:02 WindCalibur wrote: my stream died on game 4 when jaedong just started the spire. At first, i thought "O SHIT MUTAS JAEDONG IS GONG TO LOSE AGAIN" then when i came back, i saw "o look cc getting claubered by jaedong and soon after oooo mass mutas just killed the sniper! Why on earth would you assume Jaedong+Mutas=Loss? They are his fucking signature unit. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 26 2008 19:55 tracer wrote: Jaedong pretty much has a walkover into the finals (I really don't see Much winning). Flash vs. JD! My words exactly and damn what a final series! w00t Apart from ZvZ JDs strongest matchup was ZvT but know it seems as if it's he's weakest currently expect for this series. His last ZvP games was destruction I think so JD to stomp Much all over the place and then continue to fix his ZvT to conquer Flash | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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Letmelose
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Hwasin reminds me of Midas. Midas got a great winning percentage with his brilliance and the fact that he played extra greedy every single game. It served him so well because his opponents were put at a disadvantage from the start because he predicted whatever builds he thought his opponent would do then pick a build that was just greedy enough to let him get away with it. When he played in BO5 he did the same thing, except that his opponents eventually figured it out and made Midas pay to falling back to his habbits. Jaedong deserved that win. Hwasin should have prepared this series better. Jaedong needed one game to read Hwasin's antics and it was all over for him. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
THE KING OF THE SWARMMmmmmmmm. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
OR RUN INTO MAIN AND KILL DRONES GOD HWASIN | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 26 2008 20:04 Pangolin wrote: Why on earth would you assume Jaedong+Mutas=Loss? They are his fucking signature unit. Jaedongs signature unit is the Mutalisk. Jaedongs signature is to turn 0-1 into 3-1 | ||
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proA.June91
Vietnam445 Posts
wtf with you, hwasin? i think it isn't you from the beginning till end x9 | ||
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On June 26 2008 20:17 OneOther wrote: OUT OF ALL THINGS, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TARGET A LURKER EGG? WHY NOT KILL THE DAMN HATCHERY OR RUN INTO MAIN AND KILL DRONES GOD HWASIN Yeah that lost him game 2... such a stupid choice.. -_- | ||
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HaLLeBaRy
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On June 26 2008 20:25 kramus wrote: and one marine basically out already it wasnt even close to being out | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
well maybe yeah but an scv wall lasts forever when you have like a dozen or so at your disposal. it doesn't take that many scvs mining to reinforce marines from one barracks | ||
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On June 26 2008 20:36 kramus wrote: well maybe yeah but an scv wall lasts forever when you have like a dozen or so at your disposal. it doesn't take that many scvs mining to reinforce marines from one barracks he didn't have that many scvs although blocking the ramp would probably be the best choice | ||
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On June 26 2008 20:29 Supah wrote: Eh why don't you do it yourself? Also its kind of expected that you update the op as the series progress with results, not just add them after its finished. sorry, I was not able to watch the games live because of life. Anyway, what ARE the results? :D | ||
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On June 26 2008 20:46 ~chut~ wrote: hwasin won game 1 then lost the next 3 Thanks ^^ | ||
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SilverSkyLark
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Ok, I got no one to support, Flash doesn't need support as well as Jaedong... | ||
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ahole-surprise
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On June 26 2008 09:12 Tinithor wrote: So? I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Hwasin beats him Jaedong: I did not fuck Hwasin Tinithor: Oh thank god *starts his way out* Jaedong: tinithor? Tinithor: yes? Jaedong: I lied. I did fuck Hwasin. Sorry for telling you. I'm just not big enough to forgive you...Buster. | ||
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On June 26 2008 21:36 ahole-surprise wrote: Jaedong: I did not fuck Hwasin Tinithor: Oh thank god *starts his way out* Jaedong: tinithor? Tinithor: yes? Jaedong: I lied. I did fuck Hwasin. Sorry for telling you. I'm just not big enough to forgive you...Buster. That just sounds wrong on so many levels. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
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That said however, Hwasin's mindset got absolutely broken, which is a real shame. He never seems to have just enough to get himself over the line, even with an advantage. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
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On June 26 2008 22:28 Pangolin wrote: So is this like the 5th bo5 in a row that Jaedong has won 3-1 after losing first game? That is a pretty impressive streak. It is. It's also the reason why JD gets underestimated here I think (coupled with his bo1 losses in Proleague). JD is simply not a good bo1 gamer, he always needs 1 warmup game which he most likely loses. I think Savior in his prime also wasn't that great in proleague but was very good at the starleagues and won pretty much every bo5. But then again I've never been following the PL much. | ||
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Harem
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On June 26 2008 03:18 Ryot wrote: Jaedong in 4. Called on page 10, bitches. BTW, game 2 was probably the best of the series. Just kidding, game 3 actually had sick macro >_> | ||
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On June 26 2008 23:58 crazie-penguin wrote: why does Jaedong like ALWAYS lose the first set then wins three sets in a row...? O_o It's his way of saying: 'I don't actually need the first game. You can have it. I'll just rape you the next three times.' I'm definitely happy. I thought JD had lost his zvt after the two bo3 flash series... | ||
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On June 27 2008 00:15 OrderlyChaos wrote: It's his way of saying: 'I don't actually need the first game. You can have it. I'll just rape you the next three times.' I'm definitely happy. I thought JD had lost his zvt after the two bo3 flash series... It's his way of being good-mannered. He thinks it would be too harsh for his opponents if he just crushed them 3-0 every single time. :p So he gives them this advantage. And his losses in proleague are just a clever disguise, to make the others think "JD sucks right now, this'll be easy" and then they get raped. | ||
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On June 26 2008 22:33 0xDEADBEEF wrote: It is. It's also the reason why JD gets underestimated here I think (coupled with his bo1 losses in Proleague). JD is simply not a good bo1 gamer, he always needs 1 warmup game which he most likely loses. I think Savior in his prime also wasn't that great in proleague but was very good at the starleagues and won pretty much every bo5. But then again I've never been following the PL much. actually savior was unbeatable in proleague in his prime.. the problem was that CJ had the worst 2v2 of any other pro team, so they could never make it to the ace match and would always lose in the playoffs to teams with good 2v2s like MBC but then again, JD was really unbeatable in PL not too long ago as well | ||
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![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/benchobi/insuranceterran.jpg) well gimme a break I'm at work and all I have is paint ;p | ||
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Mindcrime
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On June 26 2008 05:53 Tinithor wrote: Anyone who still thinks that jaedong will win is either blind or doesnt care about general trends, jaedong's play lately, or logic in general. Yet again, you fail incredibly hard. | ||
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On June 27 2008 02:42 Exteray wrote: has jaedong any Bo5s so far? Yes he's lost a bo5. To THE ROCK of all people in the OSC final. 3-1 was the score. This was still before JD learned to ZvP though. | ||
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Februarys
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On June 26 2008 09:12 Tinithor wrote: So? I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Hwasin beats him Rofl. Tinitor: "I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Lucifer beats him" Lucifer 0 - Jaedong 2 "What now?" "So? I'm gonna laugh at all the mindless Jaedong fans when Hwasin beats him" Hahaha! Look at him now I'm a mindless Jaedong fan and I laughed at you TWICE! TY Jaedong, you made my day ^^ | ||
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Februarys
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On June 26 2008 19:54 .kaz wrote: Serious question? Bad mistake in game two. 4 pool in game three. And then that? All that work to get to Ro8 and then lose like that, who cares if he stayed in the game a few seconds longer than he should have. Don't make it sound like Hwasin lost out of luck. Bad mistake in game two? Yes Hwasin didn't target the hatchery. But don't you think JD made big mistakes as well? Yes he 4 pooled. But Hwasin deserves it for cheesing 1 rax in proleagues. Kinda like payback for his own actions I guess You can give yourself all the little excuses why Hwasin lost but in the end, a win is a win and Jaedong beat him Besides, even if Hwasin's big mistake was big enough to change the game result for game two, Jaedong still had 1 more game to spare because he was 3-1. So that doesn't guarantee a victory for hwasin | ||
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Going ultra greedy FE builds is a lot gayer than the occasional 4pool. It ruins the metagame. We need the occasional quick rush cheese to keep the game honest. If JD went 3hatch before pool every game no one would bat an eyelash if Terrans started bunker rushing him. Hell they bunker rush anyway. | ||
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
On June 19 2008 05:41 Sunyveil wrote: pshhhhh I can't believe anybody hasn't picked up on this yet. Hwasin will take the first set, then Jaedong will take the next three. The last 4 Bo5s Jaedong has played have gone that way. Coincidence? I think not. haha this guy called it hardcore. Nice prediction Suny! | ||
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War_Minister
Canada86 Posts
Tricky Jaedong... Game 3 was also very tenseful, though short and brutish! | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On June 27 2008 03:59 FieryBalrog wrote: If JD went 3hatch before pool every game no one would bat an eyelash if Terrans started bunker rushing him. Hell they bunker rush anyway. Back in the good ol' days of sAviOr, he did this, they tried bunker rushing, and he flattened them with unreal micro. In fact, sAviOr wouldn't have had most of his scourge afk'ing during game 2 either. I'm so lost without my Ma Jae Yoon | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
It was perfect, and beautiful to watch. He picked the right map, and the right timing to do it, and executed well. Winning that kind of set just knocked Hwasin out of momentum badly, and JD knew that. He then showcased that you can walk all over someone without the mental state of winning with mass mutas. I must admit though that I was scared as hell when he picked up his mutas again in game 4. And then only made 1(!!!!) sunken to defend the first MM push. But damn, he just knows exactly what's needed to retaliate. That 1 sunk was just enough, and JD shows again and again that he has great confidence in his game. <3<3<3 | ||
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Canada3562 Posts
On June 27 2008 03:31 Februarys wrote: Don't make it sound like Hwasin lost out of luck. Bad mistake in game two? Yes Hwasin didn't target the hatchery. But don't you think JD made big mistakes as well? Yes he 4 pooled. But Hwasin deserves it for cheesing 1 rax in proleagues. Kinda like payback for his own actions I guess You can give yourself all the little excuses why Hwasin lost but in the end, a win is a win and Jaedong beat him Besides, even if Hwasin's big mistake was big enough to change the game result for game two, Jaedong still had 1 more game to spare because he was 3-1. So that doesn't guarantee a victory for hwasin I thought his post was a response to "Why did Hwasin take so long to gg?" Which has nothing to do with your entire post and Jaedong's macro in game 3 sucked ass. Whenever I play people who cancel their first drone, they they use their first 4 drones to build a pool and 3 hatcheries. I don't know how Jaedong can suck more than bnet pubbies. | ||
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nerium
Philippines512 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:22 nimysa wrote: Hwasin played like crap, Jaedong seems to have it easy because all his opponents played like crap or made stupid mistakes. LOL | ||
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:22 nimysa wrote: Hwasin played like crap, Jaedong seems to have it easy because all his opponents played like crap or made stupid mistakes. Wow, you're smart! People lose games because they make mistakes!? And those who take advantage of those mistakes have it easy? I did not know that! | ||
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On June 19 2008 11:43 kyjori wrote: you guys are all IGNORANT~~~ jaedong will lose first game then come back to win next three like ALL HIS Bo5~~ HAHAHA *edit* this was also posted XD i win | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:34 chennis wrote: Forgive me overmind, for losing my faith in the swarm and voted for hwasin in liquidbet. If you have truly regretted your mistake and learnt from it thou shall be redeemed or otherwise be consumed by the next nearby defiler. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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nimysa
United States383 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:30 Sigrun wrote: Wow, you're smart! People lose games because they make mistakes!? And those who take advantage of those mistakes have it easy? I did not know that! No but Hwasin could have played much more better, this was not the same Hwasin that took Savior to a game of 5 when Savior was in his prime or the same Hwasin that cruised through the WCG qualifiars in 2007. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On June 27 2008 06:56 Divinek wrote: Much more play crap like could have he? Did you see jaedongs abysmal muta control in game one? Or all of his mistakes in the rest of them? If jaedong was playing perfect he'd have raped hwasin all the same if hwasin was playing perfectly. Can't live in a dream world of could haves and should haves. Exactly! It really annoys me when people say if X just played that and like this not making mistakes like those etc. may be right but couldn't the same be true for the other person Y? This is real life in the real world where you could always find something to improve the situation but the fact is this is just the way things went and happened. Really well said. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
Show the kids that Lecaf Boys don't do this "losing" thing. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote: what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3? First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster. Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful... | ||
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote: First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster. Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful... Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see. | ||
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
On June 27 2008 07:40 Polemarch wrote: Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see. hahahahahah. Oh Chojja you're the best...! Oh wait... | ||
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote: First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster. Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful... If that's true and he deliberately did it, then Jaedong has been practicing 4pool way too much. | ||
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
On June 26 2008 22:33 0xDEADBEEF wrote: It is. It's also the reason why JD gets underestimated here I think (coupled with his bo1 losses in Proleague). JD is simply not a good bo1 gamer, he always needs 1 warmup game which he most likely loses. I think Savior in his prime also wasn't that great in proleague but was very good at the starleagues and won pretty much every bo5. But then again I've never been following the PL much. That's probably why such "bonjwas" have repeating MSL titles but not OSL titles... the BO3 format of the OSL. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On June 27 2008 08:21 Carefree Me wrote: That's probably why such "bonjwas" have repeating MSL titles but not OSL titles... the BO3 format of the OSL. hmm thats really interesting. What I do know was sAviOr was still CJ's ace in proleague during his 06 reign 2006 PL Round1 2006 PL Round2 | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On June 27 2008 08:15 theonemephisto wrote: If that's true and he deliberately did it, then Jaedong has been practicing 4pool way too much. Well I just tested it myself, and it surely works. It was well planned. However practicing it too much? I don't get it, he won the game right? Means he practiced enough | ||
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Emptyness
Bulgaria1016 Posts
. No matter - I expect to watch nice JD - Much semifinal . | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7755 Posts
On June 27 2008 07:40 Polemarch wrote: Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see. When progamers 4 pool they kill the morphing egg just to excite and surprise the crowd. I am almost sure this has nothing to do with larva micro... | ||
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tracer
Korea (South)693 Posts
On June 27 2008 09:36 Vasoline73 wrote: When progamers 4 pool they kill the morphing egg just to excite and surprise the crowd. I am almost sure this has nothing to do with larva micro... Yea, there's no way cancelling a larva would create "better timing" of any sort, as the third larva would pop out almost immediately after (waaaay before the pool is finished). He probably hit SD on a reflex and realized "Oh shit, I was going to 4pool this game wasn't I?" | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
I'm not exactly sure how to calculate the mutas' damage and secondary damage using hold position micro against groups but let's say typically it's 4 mutas versus 1 marine in these skirmishes (I'm thinking the 12 mutas vs 2-3 rines at the blob's edge). That's 35 damage per each 'glaive wurm' volley. It would take 2 volleys to kill 1 marine, giving medics enough time to heal inbetween the volleys. But a +1 modifier would kill the marine in 1 hit. At least in theory. Now, since today it's the standard to upgrade +1 attack on the rines first wouldn't a +1 attack on mutas be an awesome counter-strategy? It may not be as signifcant change in the match up as Flash's early armories but why can't this quick +1 return the razor sharp muta harass that has been lacking in the ZvT matchups of this season? Oh and does the secondary +4 turn into a +5 with the upgrade? ETA: Nevermind... Just tested it and it takes freaking 3 minutes for the upgrade to finish. I don't know what I was smoking. Only works with 2 hatch/early muta thing. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
However, in this Bo5 Jaedong simply out strategize Hwasin. Rather than do the same old strategy for the 9999th time, Jaedong threw off Hwasin's timing with his unorthodox build. Jaedong's strategy were all incredibly risky! 4 pool, hidden 3rd gas hatchery, or 2 group of mutalisk. The control of 2 group of mutalisk was so amazing! I didn't know it was 2 control groups until I saw Jaedong's FPView. Now that Jaedong reveal his hidden ace card, in his next ZvT series, his strategies will be less effective Tiamat is such a shitty ZvT map. No surpise it is 4:0 or 5:0 in favor of Terran. That's a free win for Hwasin. The 3rd gas is so hard to defend for zerg while miles easier for Terran. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
On June 27 2008 12:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Does anyone happen to have the VOD where a Zerg 5pools a Terran, it fails, but he continues to win. I believe it might have been the aforementioned ChoJJa vs someone on Rush Hour, and I remember watching it before, but I can't find it anymore Chojja vs Iris @Rush Hour III Game 3, Ro8 Shinbank OSL I have it but my upload speed is only 15kb/s | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On June 26 2008 18:55 NovaTheFeared wrote: Jaedong is the master of 0-1 to 3-1. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
I am talking about someone made a comment or a thread I don't remember(I been tryin to find that shit for 20 minutes now, someone help me) about July's micro and how Jaedong, Ma jae yoon, etc had "CRAP MUTA MICRO" So after watching game number 4 of Jaedong motherfucking controlling 2 groups of muta like it's nothing I wanna go and bash on his comments and give him a link to game 4 of jd vs hwasin | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote: First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster. Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful... no thats not possible. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
You shall find me from here on by your side, always willing to offer praise to your name, and I will never ever doubt you again. With the puny humans crushed beneath our bladed iron heels, the haughty and ancient Protoss is next! | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On June 27 2008 14:25 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: HEEEELP!! this shit is driving me insane! I am talking about someone made a comment or a thread I don't remember(I been tryin to find that shit for 20 minutes now, someone help me) about July's micro and how Jaedong, Ma jae yoon, etc had "CRAP MUTA MICRO" So after watching game number 4 of Jaedong motherfucking controlling 2 groups of muta like it's nothing I wanna go and bash on his comments and give him a link to game 4 of jd vs hwasin it wwas in a blog. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote: what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3? jaedong had some sort of software installed on his computer. With this software istalled, cancelling eggs can net you a ton of minerals. This gives a faster pool. It's quite a common trick if you've played on bnet enough On June 27 2008 10:31 Juicyfruit wrote: Haven't these progamers learned by now? In order to beat Jeadong in a bo5, you HAVE to drop the first game. GG 1 second after the game start, or destroy your own CC with your scv's if you have to, just do it. It'll throw Jaedong off his game and he'll lose the next three in a row, guaranteed. If you GG 1 second after the game starts, it would be a draw, and the score would be 0-0-1. Does that count? HMMM | ||
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United States6173 Posts
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nezera
Indonesia176 Posts
JAEDONG FOR MSL | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
Well I realize now that it does not matter... *ponders* | ||
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/dankaroo/thehorror.jpg) dont fck with jaedong | ||
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On June 27 2008 12:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Does anyone happen to have the VOD where a Zerg 5pools a Terran, it fails, but he continues to win. I believe it might have been the aforementioned ChoJJa vs someone on Rush Hour, and I remember watching it before, but I can't find it anymore Chojja also 6 pooled vs Nada, who 8 raxed and then proceeded to infest his command center and beat him with infested marines. That was a fun game (though I cant remember the map) | ||
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Heggie
United Kingdom167 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:50 LucasWoJ wrote: Chojja also 6 pooled vs Nada, who 8 raxed and then proceeded to infest his command center and beat him with infested marines. That was a fun game (though I cant remember the map) Wow, do you have a vod of this? I can't tell you how much I would like to see this, I have searched arround a bit on youtube with no success. EDIT: Found it I think Chojja 6 pooled vs Nada in an Ace match between KTF and Pantech a year or so ago. Here is a link to the first part of Klazart's comentary on the game: | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On June 28 2008 00:42 Heggie wrote: Wow, do you have a vod of this? I can't tell you how much I would like to see this, I have searched arround a bit on youtube with no success. EDIT: Found it I think Chojja 6 pooled vs Nada in an Ace match between KTF and Pantech a year or so ago. Here is a link to the first part of Klazart's comentary on the game: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XK7x46VTun8 This game was so controversial because + Show Spoiler + it was obvious that ChOJJa was trying to toy with NaDa rather than kill him, he wastes like 10301318 scourge trying to damage a Command Center rather than just killing it | ||
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