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[MSL] Jaedong vs HwaSin - Page 4

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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 18 2008 22:10 GMT
#61
On June 19 2008 05:41 Sunyveil wrote:
pshhhhh I can't believe anybody hasn't picked up on this yet.

Hwasin will take the first set, then Jaedong will take the next three. The last 4 Bo5s Jaedong has played have gone that way. Coincidence? I think not.


Thought exactly the same. JD is a monster in BO's that are greater than 1.

Hwasin is a god in this MU, and JD has the odds against him for sure, but he IS a champion. He'll win 3-1

Epic nonetheless, and as someone else said, these games would fit better in atleast the RO4.
Mada Mada Dane
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 18 2008 22:13 GMT
#62
JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 18 2008 22:24 GMT
#63
~ go.
jd
vs hwa
sin

idk whod win though.... i want hwasin but i voted for jd seeing as his zvt is excellent.
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
June 18 2008 22:28 GMT
#64
On June 19 2008 07:00 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2008 05:29 ahole-surprise wrote:
On June 19 2008 04:58 WorldCommunist8 wrote:
On June 19 2008 02:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Jaedong would absolutely destroy Much. His Z v P is untouchable at this point.


That's what everyone told OversKy about Jaedong's ZvZ. And everyone knows the rest of the story.


Hwasin recently beat Jaedong in a match where it appeared Jaedong's mouse was malfunctioning, seriously there is no other way to explain his unburrowed lurkers.

who uses mouse to burrow lurkers?:O


If your mouse is malfunctioning, your coordination in general is off, including clicking on the minimap where the lurkers are about to be killed.
Pulp can move, baby!
iPF[Div]
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain572 Posts
June 18 2008 22:30 GMT
#65
this is so hwasin's MSL. HWASIN FIGHTING~~~
Since ma jae yoon and jin young soo stabbed me in the fucking back, i've got no one to rep here.
berkguyyy
Profile Joined June 2008
United States151 Posts
June 18 2008 22:39 GMT
#66
I'm cheering for Hwasin although I feel this could go either way. On a side note, I really do believe this is Hwasin's last hurrah and he'll do everything in his power to win this MSL as it'll probably be his last and best chance.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 18 2008 22:40 GMT
#67
Even thought I like Hwasin much more than Dong, I want JD to win. A ZvT final with Jaedong vs Flash would be much more entertaining than hwasin vs flash. I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much.
I however see Hwasin winning 3:2 Takin 1st, 2nd, and 5th sets
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
June 18 2008 22:47 GMT
#68
I wanna watch this tonight, but I'm on a different computer than usual.

So which program do I need? GOM or Daum? Or will Corinthos provide a hookup through WMP/VLC?
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
June 18 2008 22:52 GMT
#69
On June 19 2008 07:28 ahole-surprise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2008 07:00 Sfydjklm wrote:
On June 19 2008 05:29 ahole-surprise wrote:
On June 19 2008 04:58 WorldCommunist8 wrote:
On June 19 2008 02:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Jaedong would absolutely destroy Much. His Z v P is untouchable at this point.


That's what everyone told OversKy about Jaedong's ZvZ. And everyone knows the rest of the story.


Hwasin recently beat Jaedong in a match where it appeared Jaedong's mouse was malfunctioning, seriously there is no other way to explain his unburrowed lurkers.

who uses mouse to burrow lurkers?:O


If your mouse is malfunctioning, your coordination in general is off, including clicking on the minimap where the lurkers are about to be killed.

Not that im a macromonster of jaedong proportions, but wouldnt 10 hotkeys be enough for him to keep ur crucial lurker group hotkeyed at all times?^^
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
June 18 2008 22:57 GMT
#70
I have a feeling Jaedong is going to lose the first game badly (think Jaedong vs Mind on Blue Storm bad) but come back to win the next two, lose one, and win another.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
June 18 2008 23:11 GMT
#71
can't wait for this =)
You can't fight the feeling.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
June 18 2008 23:15 GMT
#72
On June 19 2008 07:10 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2008 05:41 Sunyveil wrote:
pshhhhh I can't believe anybody hasn't picked up on this yet.

Hwasin will take the first set, then Jaedong will take the next three. The last 4 Bo5s Jaedong has played have gone that way. Coincidence? I think not.


Thought exactly the same. JD is a monster in BO's that are greater than 1.

Hwasin is a god in this MU, and JD has the odds against him for sure, but he IS a champion. He'll win 3-1

Epic nonetheless, and as someone else said, these games would fit better in atleast the RO4.


This is true. but all of hwasin's bo5's end up with a 5th game, in which he usually loses.
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
June 18 2008 23:17 GMT
#73
On June 19 2008 07:40 kNyTTyM wrote:
Even thought I like Hwasin much more than Dong, I want JD to win. A ZvT final with Jaedong vs Flash would be much more entertaining than hwasin vs flash. I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much.
I however see Hwasin winning 3:2 Takin 1st, 2nd, and 5th sets



ARE U CRAZY! ALL FLASH GAMES ARE JUST MACRO!
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 18 2008 23:20 GMT
#74
On June 19 2008 07:40 kNyTTyM wrote:
I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much.

I think Much would stand a strong chance of beating Insurance
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kyjori
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
371 Posts
June 18 2008 23:22 GMT
#75
jaedong... show that lecaf produces the best gamers in sc~~
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 18 2008 23:28 GMT
#76
On June 19 2008 08:17 ramen247 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2008 07:40 kNyTTyM wrote:
Even thought I like Hwasin much more than Dong, I want JD to win. A ZvT final with Jaedong vs Flash would be much more entertaining than hwasin vs flash. I'm assuming whoever wins this will beat much.
I however see Hwasin winning 3:2 Takin 1st, 2nd, and 5th sets



ARE U CRAZY! ALL FLASH GAMES ARE JUST MACRO!
And?
Can you dig it?
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
June 18 2008 23:30 GMT
#77
There was an error from the source or TL, but it has been fixed (R1CH). Jaedong vs Hwasin is to be played next week, June 26th. Tonight's matches in group C will be between ForGG and Kal.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 18 2008 23:37 GMT
#78
On June 19 2008 08:30 Corinthos wrote:
There was an error from the source or TL, but it has been fixed (R1CH). Jaedong vs Hwasin is to be played next week, June 26th. Tonight's matches in group C will be between ForGG and Kal.


NOOOOOOOO!

I was sooo looking forward to this!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10830 Posts
June 18 2008 23:39 GMT
#79
omg T_T lol such a let down hahahaha
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ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-19 00:10:40
June 18 2008 23:53 GMT
#80
On June 19 2008 07:52 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2008 07:28 ahole-surprise wrote:
On June 19 2008 07:00 Sfydjklm wrote:
On June 19 2008 05:29 ahole-surprise wrote:
On June 19 2008 04:58 WorldCommunist8 wrote:
On June 19 2008 02:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Jaedong would absolutely destroy Much. His Z v P is untouchable at this point.


That's what everyone told OversKy about Jaedong's ZvZ. And everyone knows the rest of the story.


Hwasin recently beat Jaedong in a match where it appeared Jaedong's mouse was malfunctioning, seriously there is no other way to explain his unburrowed lurkers.

who uses mouse to burrow lurkers?:O


If your mouse is malfunctioning, your coordination in general is off, including clicking on the minimap where the lurkers are about to be killed.

Not that im a macromonster of jaedong proportions, but wouldnt 10 hotkeys be enough for him to keep ur crucial lurker group hotkeyed at all times?^^


Do you see how fast Jaedong multitasks? Progamers rely on rhythm for that kind of speed, when your mouse is malfunctioning, and try to imagine what a mouse malfunctioning feels like (and watch a Jaedong fpvod), you start to screw up a lot. I think your perspective is too biased in favor of the way you play, which is probably staring at your units for 10 seconds at a time.

Also, even if he has his lurkers hotkeyed, he is cycling through a million things, trying to think of the next thing to do as he is about to do something. He spots red at his expo where his lurkers are, clicks on minimap to see what's up, but his mouse goes nuts and doesn't click correctly, meanwhile he's already in the midst of hotkeying back to his main to macro or something, and that amount of time, plus the frustration and probably continuous misslicks from the malfunctioning mouse, would be more than a enough time for Hwasin to take out the lurkers like he did.

Does "^^" somehow suggest that you think you're right?


So what's your explanation for the unburrowed lurkers, that he was so bad or Hwasin was so good that he was able to see his lurkers getting attacked but decided not to burrow them?

Edit: Just rewatched the VOD, Jaedong gets visibly upset when his mutalisks wander into a group of marines+medics and one dies, now that's something to get upset over but not to the point that you start pounding your keyboard the way Jaedong did unless you felt like you lost them for reasons beyond your control (e.g your mouse is fucking up). Also, I saw his lurkers, given how fast he is, there is no reason he shouldn't have burrowed them in time. This isn't a matter of making bad decisions, his APM just won't allow him to not have his lurkers burrow in that spot unless something was very wrong.
Also, this would explain why Jaedong would wave his new mouse around after beating Bisu in the final match of that group and his coach threw him another mouse after his games were over.
You're wrong.
Pulp can move, baby!
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