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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
June 26 2008 21:49 GMT
#761
On June 27 2008 05:30 Sigrun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 05:22 nimysa wrote:
Hwasin played like crap, Jaedong seems to have it easy because all his opponents played like crap or made stupid mistakes.


Wow, you're smart! People lose games because they make mistakes!? And those who take advantage of those mistakes have it easy?

I did not know that!

No but Hwasin could have played much more better, this was not the same Hwasin that took Savior to a game of 5 when Savior was in his prime or the same Hwasin that cruised through the WCG qualifiars in 2007.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 26 2008 21:56 GMT
#762
Much more play crap like could have he? Did you see jaedongs abysmal muta control in game one? Or all of his mistakes in the rest of them? If jaedong was playing perfect he'd have raped hwasin all the same if hwasin was playing perfectly. Can't live in a dream world of could haves and should haves.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
June 26 2008 22:04 GMT
#763
On June 27 2008 06:56 Divinek wrote:
Much more play crap like could have he? Did you see jaedongs abysmal muta control in game one? Or all of his mistakes in the rest of them? If jaedong was playing perfect he'd have raped hwasin all the same if hwasin was playing perfectly. Can't live in a dream world of could haves and should haves.


Exactly! It really annoys me when people say if X just played that and like this not making mistakes like those etc. may be right but couldn't the same be true for the other person Y? This is real life in the real world where you could always find something to improve the situation but the fact is this is just the way things went and happened. Really well said.
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Reapers
Profile Joined May 2008
China4 Posts
June 26 2008 22:07 GMT
#764
well said??? fucking go take english class mothafucka. your english is perhaps 4th grade level. Go pass tofel if you wanna speak... dumbass...
ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?
AirBleach
Profile Joined April 2008
United States123 Posts
June 26 2008 22:14 GMT
#765
Hwasin......
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
June 26 2008 22:18 GMT
#766
Fucccckkkkk yeah Jaedong.

Show the kids that Lecaf Boys don't do this "losing" thing.
AKA SurfSolar ----- This is the product of a DIY inadequate home
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 26 2008 22:28 GMT
#767
Both played shitty but Hwasin fucked up more when it mattered the most
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 26 2008 22:36 GMT
#768
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...
Mada Mada Dane
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
June 26 2008 22:40 GMT
#769
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...


Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see.
I BELIEVE IN CAPITAL LETTER PUNISHMENT!!!!!
crazie-penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States1253 Posts
June 26 2008 22:43 GMT
#770
On June 27 2008 07:40 Polemarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...


Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see.

hahahahahah. Oh Chojja you're the best...! Oh wait...
theonemephisto
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States409 Posts
June 26 2008 23:15 GMT
#771
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...

If that's true and he deliberately did it, then Jaedong has been practicing 4pool way too much.
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
June 26 2008 23:21 GMT
#772
On June 26 2008 22:33 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2008 22:28 Pangolin wrote:
So is this like the 5th bo5 in a row that Jaedong has won 3-1 after losing first game? That is a pretty impressive streak.


It is. It's also the reason why JD gets underestimated here I think (coupled with his bo1 losses in Proleague). JD is simply not a good bo1 gamer, he always needs 1 warmup game which he most likely loses.

I think Savior in his prime also wasn't that great in proleague but was very good at the starleagues and won pretty much every bo5. But then again I've never been following the PL much.


That's probably why such "bonjwas" have repeating MSL titles but not OSL titles... the BO3 format of the OSL.
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 26 2008 23:26 GMT
#773
On June 27 2008 08:21 Carefree Me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2008 22:33 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On June 26 2008 22:28 Pangolin wrote:
So is this like the 5th bo5 in a row that Jaedong has won 3-1 after losing first game? That is a pretty impressive streak.


It is. It's also the reason why JD gets underestimated here I think (coupled with his bo1 losses in Proleague). JD is simply not a good bo1 gamer, he always needs 1 warmup game which he most likely loses.

I think Savior in his prime also wasn't that great in proleague but was very good at the starleagues and won pretty much every bo5. But then again I've never been following the PL much.


That's probably why such "bonjwas" have repeating MSL titles but not OSL titles... the BO3 format of the OSL.


hmm thats really interesting.


What I do know was sAviOr was still CJ's ace in proleague during his 06 reign

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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 26 2008 23:27 GMT
#774
On June 27 2008 08:15 theonemephisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...

If that's true and he deliberately did it, then Jaedong has been practicing 4pool way too much.

Well I just tested it myself, and it surely works. It was well planned.

However practicing it too much? I don't get it, he won the game right? Means he practiced enough
Mada Mada Dane
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
June 26 2008 23:44 GMT
#775
Well, I really wanted Hwasin to take the series, but somehow I suspected he won't and the result will be 3-1 (with JD losing only the 1st game) . No matter - I expect to watch nice JD - Much semifinal .
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
June 26 2008 23:52 GMT
#776
JD's two group muta control was INSANE! I couldn't believe what I was seeing when the observer showed us his point of view. Too fast!
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
June 27 2008 00:36 GMT
#777
On June 27 2008 07:40 Polemarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...


Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see.


When progamers 4 pool they kill the morphing egg just to excite and surprise the crowd. I am almost sure this has nothing to do with larva micro...
tracer
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)693 Posts
June 27 2008 00:45 GMT
#778
On June 27 2008 09:36 Vasoline73 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 07:40 Polemarch wrote:
On June 27 2008 07:36 Kyuki wrote:
On June 27 2008 05:31 xenero wrote:
what was the point of jaedong killing his initial larva game 3?

First I thought it was a mistake, and he just thought "oh fuck it I 4-pool", but that was only for a split second though because of shock

That was well planned I think. It was a way of controling larvae. If you check out the VOD you'll see that JD has 4 larvae morphing Zerglings before the first 6 hatch. The canceling of the first larvae made it so it spawned a new one at a better timing for his rush adding 2 more zerglings to the fight alot faster.

Damn that 4-pool was so beautiful...


Wow, can anyone verify that that works? If so, geez, Jaedong has shown us two different ways to micro larvae. Chojja cancelled eggs before when he was 5-pooling some terran on Rush Hour... I think he mentioned in his interview that he did it because it doesn't matter, but it's fun for the crowd to see.


When progamers 4 pool they kill the morphing egg just to excite and surprise the crowd. I am almost sure this has nothing to do with larva micro...


Yea, there's no way cancelling a larva would create "better timing" of any sort, as the third larva would pop out almost immediately after (waaaay before the pool is finished). He probably hit SD on a reflex and realized "Oh shit, I was going to 4pool this game wasn't I?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 27 2008 01:31 GMT
#779
Haven't these progamers learned by now? In order to beat Jeadong in a bo5, you HAVE to drop the first game. GG 1 second after the game start, or destroy your own CC with your scv's if you have to, just do it. It'll throw Jaedong off his game and he'll lose the next three in a row, guaranteed.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 01:38:01
June 27 2008 01:33 GMT
#780
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
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