[EVER 2008 OSL] Group E 30/04/08

On April 30 2008 19:40 kramus wrote:
daezang's gonna cheese i think

On April 30 2008 19:39 VioleTAK wrote:
GO SEA!!!!!!!!!

On April 30 2008 19:56 GTR-2-Go wrote:
is it just me or this game is faster than normal

On April 30 2008 20:07 Uraeus wrote:
GG by Daezan. Too bad. Maybe he should have teched to HT rather than carriers.
Really good game though.
I hope Daezang can win the losers' game and has a chance to qualify.

wouldnt have mattered was already lost by then... just made some bad attacks, where he wasted too much... t
dunno tho -_-

On April 30 2008 20:16 Uraeus wrote:

I do agree. Daezang was behind by then. Question is : how could he come back? I don't think a last hope Carrier tech was fit, as it takes a while to have a decent force.
But as you said, controlling the high ground would definitely have helped.

On April 30 2008 20:33 Uraeus wrote:
Why do all the players I like always lose??? Jaedong, Savior, Anytime, Daezang, Xellos...Who am I gonna support in this OSL?

On April 30 2008 20:34 hymn wrote:
how do I watch with yaoyuan?

On April 30 2008 20:56 GTR-2-Go wrote:
jangbi for 11th on the power rank

On April 30 2008 20:58 Orome wrote:
Did Sea lose that many SCVs? Can't see another reason why he'd GG that early.

On April 30 2008 21:00 Kwark wrote:

He hadn't taken the nat inside his main and had 3 or so factory against 6 gateway. No way is was taking map control back from that situation.

On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:


3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet.

On April 30 2008 21:03 Orome wrote:


3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran is a very common situation that's slightly in favour of Protoss. Obviously he was behind, but it wasn't resignable just yet.

On April 30 2008 21:08 Kwark wrote:

No, 3 base Protoss vs 2 base Terran where the Terran has like 5 factories and has been massing units is common and just on the protoss side. 3 base protoss vs 2 base terran where the protoss has far more production facilities, map control and just utterly destroyed your army is a gg scenario. JangBo could double expand, go carriers and still stop Sea from expanding. He really had no options.

On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:


His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ.

On April 30 2008 21:14 Orome wrote:


His push didn't get utterly destroyed, Jangbi barely managed to break it. Obviously Sea was in a tough position, but it wasn't as hopeless as you make it out to be. Anyway, there's nothing more to argue here really as we both only have a rough estimation of the game situation without the replay and those rough estimations just happen to differ.

On April 30 2008 21:16 LosingID8 wrote:

you're forgetting the part where sea lost his first like 5 or 6 tanks and more than 12 scvs from DTs, and had to lift off his CC for a while as jangbi had 3base running.

On April 30 2008 21:15 Kaolla wrote:


dude he was way behind... no way he coulda won that with his few facts... he just had no army production while jangbi had lots of it and no units left and outexped... ez gg

On April 30 2008 21:23 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Goddamnit Sea, if you're going to lose to anyone lose to Daezang, not Jangbi. : (

On April 30 2008 21:26 Sunyveil wrote:
holy cow, daezang's play was perfect that game

his PvT is one of the best right now, IMO

On April 30 2008 21:27 bahhh wrote:


doubt it, his mechanics were off
stuck goons and not as fast reaction time


he only won through superior build

On April 30 2008 21:26 Kwark wrote:
XellOs slowly sieging forwards. Dazeang decides to fuck him up. XellOs gets fucked up.

On April 30 2008 21:31 Elsi wrote:
XellOs you disappoint me, Very poor performances!

On the other hand, Jangbi, what can I say, your soon becoming a force to be reckoned with. Stork must of tought you well^^

On April 30 2008 21:30 Kwark wrote:

1 gate goon against FD can be tricky. He wiped out XellOs' first push without losing a goon. XellOs fucked up badly when he didn't mine his nat, instead mining the ground between them. That allowed Daezang to walk his dark around the minefield and into XellOs' base. However Daezang didn't play it at all badly in the period before he got his advantage.

On April 30 2008 21:33 bahhh wrote:


wat are u talking about, xellos didn't even reach daezang nat or lose much no way was it "WIPED OUT", just a little skirmish back and forth. and of course he didnt' play bad the period before he got his advantage, he had like 1 base to manage and 4 goons. his dt wasn't even utilized to its full potential in xellos main, it was killed earlier than it should.

On April 30 2008 21:33 Kwark wrote:
To be honest XellOs was just bad today. Against JangBi he showed he can know what he's up against and execute the counter horribly. Against Daezang he showed he can attempt a cookie cutter standard FD build and make glaring errors. It makes you wonder what he can do these days.

On April 30 2008 21:57 Catyoul wrote:
Yeah, you definitely can't see the supply count

On April 30 2008 21:58 bahhh wrote:



yes you can.... its over daezang gged

On April 30 2008 22:00 Kwark wrote:
I think basically the problem was that about half of Daezangs entire militar budget was tied up in carriers. This meant that he needed to shepherd his land army or risk Sea smashing it with his entire force. By harassing with carrier he left himself open.

On April 30 2008 21:59 raga4ka wrote:
damn it sea won Deazang should have not killed tha assims but him he had the goon advantage in the begining

On April 30 2008 22:00 VioleTAK wrote:
6/6 today :-) Would be A LOT more happier with 4/6 and to see Jangbi lose twice. But he's too lucky. YES LUCKY! His luck is the stuff of legends. Good games Daezang, was very fun to watch.

On April 30 2008 21:59 raga4ka wrote:
damn it sea won Deazang should have not killed tha assims but him he had the goon advantage in the begining

On April 30 2008 22:02 Catyoul wrote:

That and the fact Sea was maxed in goliaths when Daezang was at 130 supply (that's when he attacked Daezang's nat). Even with all his troops together Daezang had no chance to hold and just saved what he could (his main and his carriers).

On April 30 2008 22:10 Kwark wrote:

I'm not sure when that happened to be honest. Daezangs expansion was faster and maynarded better. The drop did very little damage to him. Admittedly he stayed on 2 bases forever because he kept suiciding probes into goliaths but even so, Sea's 2 base had fewer scv and fewer crystal. Daezangs third base was v late because of the above and he wasted about 16 psi of units in the ferry attack against seas island but even so, 200 to 130 seems huge.

On April 30 2008 22:10 Kwark wrote:

I'm not sure when that happened to be honest. Daezangs expansion was faster and maynarded better. The drop did very little damage to him. Admittedly he stayed on 2 bases forever because he kept suiciding probes into goliaths but even so, Sea's 2 base had fewer scv and fewer crystal. Daezangs third base was v late because of the above and he wasted about 16 psi of units in the ferry attack against seas island but even so, 200 to 130 seems huge.

On April 30 2008 22:11 alffla wrote:


woah what the kwark how come your country is GB and not UK now O_O
i didnt know TL had these choices...