EPT[ASL22] Ro16 Group D - Page 11
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Zografa
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nikolaus8844
126 Posts
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hasuprotoss
United States4676 Posts
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PachiBW
24 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:44 Zografa wrote: well 5z 3t in ro8 i didnt expect this I'm assuming you're saying you expected 8 zerg because anything else would mean you haven't been watching broodwar for the past 6 years. | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:37 TMNT wrote: If anyone wonders why Snow chose that risk. Here's why: Backrooms has a 38% win rate for PvZ at the god-tier level. He's not gonna win it without a BO advantage, let alone playing it safe. Protoss would never have to do all that gambling shit if the matchup presents them a fair chance when playing safe to begin with. But of course short-sighted people will always point fingers to "why do you die to 6 lings, why do you let those lings slip by etc." Do you think Terran players don't often die to lings because they're better? It's because they can shoot from range behind a depot while playing a favorable matchup. Nah, all the protoss players of the last 20 years have all just sucked. I can't explain why they can beat the top terrans though. It's a real brain teaser. | ||
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Zografa
325 Posts
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winson
China145 Posts
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mOnion
United States5660 Posts
Are the Protoss maps in the room with us? They've gotta get these maps figured out. Protoss can't do anything against this race early. There's too much to account for, block all 3rd expos or something, this is ridiculous at this point. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia535 Posts
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PachiBW
24 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:46 Zografa wrote: no man, come on snow played bad today, also bisu kind of when he got knocked out... the rest of the active protoss are just not really good players, so for this season kind of expected bisu and snow to be in ro8 I agree. His first mistake was picking protoss. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46419 Posts
 Congrats to the Zergs though. | ||
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TMNT
3328 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:42 TMNT wrote: He doesn't. It's just that they have to ban Attitude. Equally shit but on Colorless they can scout first I guess. Yep. Just checked the PvZ win rates at god-tier: - Oddysey: doesn't matter, banned by Effort - Attitude: 32% - Backrooms: 38% - Colorless: 40% - Octagon: 50% So you ban the 32% map and pray you beat your opposition on the 38, 40 and 50% maps (by luck the 50% map gets played last though). But according to 910, the maps this season are supposed to help Protoss . | ||
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mOnion
United States5660 Posts
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88)trAncE
9 Posts
Instead of making SC3, at least do a small rebalance, like for example increasing a photon cannon's lifetime or starting a templar with 70 energy when warp-trained from a gateway. Today i feel sad... | ||
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PachiBW
24 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:47 mOnion wrote: Best PvZ we have right now goes 0-4 Are the Protoss maps in the room with us? They've gotta get these maps figured out. Protoss can't do anything against this race early. There's too much to account for, block all 3rd expos or something, this is ridiculous at this point. The problem is that zerg is the most adaptable race so any maps that are new will inherently favor zerg. It doesn't matter if 20 years down the line, it turns out a map is balanced or turns out to be P favored. They will lose for 20 years on that map by nature of being inflexible. So if they want to fix the imbalance issue in PvZ then they need to change the current map design "givens". Mapmakers bend over backwards to make it so zerg doesn't die to terran. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13496 Posts
Anyhoo, hopefully this is a bit of a wake up call for ASL in how they pick their maps. They need to have their map pool released a lot further ahead of the season to give the pros time to test them properly and assess the balance. This map pool has been a shit show this season in amplifying race imbalance. It’s no fun watching games where the biggest indicator of winning is the map draw. | ||
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mOnion
United States5660 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:49 TMNT wrote: Yep. Just checked the PvZ win rates at god-tier: - Oddysey: doesn't matter, banned by Effort - Attitude: 32% - Backrooms: 38% - Colorless: 40% - Octagon: 50% So you ban the 32% map and pray you beat your opposition on the 38, 40 and 50% maps (by luck the 50% map gets played last though). But according to 910, the maps this season are supposed to help Protoss . This is what I don't understand. What does a Protoss map even mean? I asked the same question before this season. I don't even understand the design goals, to say nothing of the fact that it obviously didn't even work. | ||
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PachiBW
24 Posts
On September 15 2026 21:51 mOnion wrote: This is what I don't understand. What does a Protoss map even mean? I asked the same question before this season. I don't even understand the design goals, to say nothing of the fact that it obviously didn't even work. They need to spawn with 4 probes and a zealot lmao | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51445 Posts
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hasuprotoss
United States4676 Posts
Shine - Rush Light - effort (match of the round!) Fake Jae - Real Jae Leta - Soulkey | ||
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