On May 29 2026 04:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Also i have to say as a zerg player to me the right decision when the lings enter the main and do you notice zergling speed upgrade is done is to give up the main momentarily.
But as a Terran player. With a working terran Brain. Playing in the dark no info at all. Do you really will take that decision when do you see 3 zerglings and 2 drones in your main ? IDk i have the feeling that as a terran u proly think that you can deal with that no ? lol
I know Artosis as a terran instantly called it but he is watching both pov. He knows the build and everything.
But as a Terran from being in the dark i wonder if you actually act different than FlaSh did when the amount of lings is very small.
Cuz imo thats what trigger this mess for FlaSh. Do you see 3 lings and 2 drones and you are like well i think i can actually deal with this.
Where is Koget / Spx when do you need them .. :D
I think the instinct is to want to clear them sure, but you can't do it with just SCVs and 1 singular marine that's not protected well. FlaSh's SCV micro was pretty horrendous the entire series so he made critical mistakes, but played as if his SCV micro was good. It's like watching B rankers try to play with shuttle reaver and do Snow strats when they don't have the micro to execute. For sure trying to clear out the initial 3 lings and 2 drones is something that goes through everyone's mind but the threat of further runbys, as we saw, is also a high priority to stop more lings from entering your base. You need to turn off the faucet before you start draining the bathtub.
actually ur right, flash's decision making is really bad and his micro is horrendous. luck gave him a 75% asl win-rate and a place at the finals.
on a serious note, to quote yourself:
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
Sure let's set it up. Has to be a weekend since you're in Europe. What's your race? Use ASL finals map pool for the order?
Awesome.
Maps are fine, I'm T. U?
can u play next weekend? 6-7th
Also Terran. Next weekend is fine. I’ll dm you for more details and communications.
On May 29 2026 04:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Also i have to say as a zerg player to me the right decision when the lings enter the main and do you notice zergling speed upgrade is done is to give up the main momentarily.
But as a Terran player. With a working terran Brain. Playing in the dark no info at all. Do you really will take that decision when do you see 3 zerglings and 2 drones in your main ? IDk i have the feeling that as a terran u proly think that you can deal with that no ? lol
I know Artosis as a terran instantly called it but he is watching both pov. He knows the build and everything.
But as a Terran from being in the dark i wonder if you actually act different than FlaSh did when the amount of lings is very small.
Cuz imo thats what trigger this mess for FlaSh. Do you see 3 lings and 2 drones and you are like well i think i can actually deal with this.
Where is Koget / Spx when do you need them .. :D
I think the instinct is to want to clear them sure, but you can't do it with just SCVs and 1 singular marine that's not protected well. FlaSh's SCV micro was pretty horrendous the entire series so he made critical mistakes, but played as if his SCV micro was good. It's like watching B rankers try to play with shuttle reaver and do Snow strats when they don't have the micro to execute. For sure trying to clear out the initial 3 lings and 2 drones is something that goes through everyone's mind but the threat of further runbys, as we saw, is also a high priority to stop more lings from entering your base. You need to turn off the faucet before you start draining the bathtub.
actually ur right, flash's decision making is really bad and his micro is horrendous. luck gave him a 75% asl win-rate and a place at the finals.
on a serious note, to quote yourself:
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
Sure let's set it up. Has to be a weekend since you're in Europe. What's your race? Use ASL finals map pool for the order?
What are you betting here?
It better be something big because the only thing of value A.Alm can put up is his permaban.
I think he’s missing the point a lot there on game 7. The rax wasn’t flashing and the CC was. There were zerglings in his main mineral line, he wasn’t mining, he had 150 mins. He spent that 150 on two scvs and an aborted rax, 0 marines.
Be interesting to see when Flash comes back and his answer if someone asks "why on earth did you leave only 2 SCVs at the nat, did you just hope there would be no more lings?"
HE doesn't really address the question that's my main focus which is what FlaSh should be doing at the time of 3:41 ling runby. It's consensus already that he had lost when he GGed.
On rewatching (Maybe it's still in there and I skipped forward), I cut out part where Soma talks about how it's 3 ling 2 drones so making decision to ditch natural is even harder as it looks so manageable.
BROOOo.,o you transfer to nat AFTER you see Z FINISH speed and the last 2 lings get in (T is blind so he cant know exactly what position hes in / what build Z did, but when you see speed thats when you know you cant hold your main), thats when you transfer to nat cus you literally cant defend with just 1 rax/no rines and lings trickling in (5 speed lings + 2 drones in main already vs no marine/1 rax production and youre trying to defend both main and nat? makes 0 sense, you cant fight for your main cus speed lings coming in >>>>>>>>> 1 marine production)
also he cant block the front with scvs AND defend both his main + nat cus his eco is too messed up, so the only way to stabilize is to run scvs to nat AFTER you see speed and those last 2 lings come in (cus you confirm youre in a bad spot/cant play greedy by retaking main), then you just focus on retaking main when you have enough rines WHILE defending front from more lings trickling in, ofc if it was only 3 slow lings and 2 drones w/ slow lings tricking in you can fight for your main but his decision to retake main came AFTER seeing speed, thats the point
lets look at the situation step by step, so Z is stuck in T main with 5 supply (starts with 3 lings + 2 drones > 2+ lings get in > total is 5 lings/3 supply of lings + 2 drones, this is when T should evacuate to nat and block front so i wont count the extra lings getting in after this), remove 5 supply from Z after the last 2 lings come in (cus this is when Flash should have locked the game down to prevent more lings from coming in, thats right after he confirmed Z had speed)
Z is 15 supply (pic below is when 4th and 5th ling get in w/ speed) and T is 18 supply, remove 5 supply from Z supply and its 10 vs 18, thats the position T COULD HAVE put himself in... and imo this is a pretty basic/straightforward response (im saying it like this cus thats what i was thinking while watching it, yes yes i understand that i could be wrong, G7 finals etc. but there's a different story thats being told right now), Flash should be doing that instinctively/automatically with just muscle memory imo
so T is in a position where he has 2 CC done, Z nat hatch hasnt started yet, Z has 5 supply stuck in T main (and thats after pulling drones/losing drones, plus hes making more lings but Flash doesnt know that, its a safe assumption to make based on drone pull tho) and 2 of them are drones.. in what world is T behind? you lift CC and land it at your choke right next to nat gas and start making scvs again, then when you have enough rines you retake main and continue playing
and the funny thing is he has multiple opportunities to go to his nat, when he was focused on fighting in his main then this happens
so now even more lings come in and hes still on 1 rax production and it becomes even worse, so those lings run in and then
he decides to a move 4 rines after he finally transfers his scvs to nat vs 7 speed lings
i dont understand whats there to argue about, his decisions made the situation worse for himself, his on the fly decision making was off based on what was happening on his screen, tbh when i look at these mistakes it looks like jinjin tier gameplay to me
like ya you can say stories about his mindset/mentality and how he wanted to approach the series but thats baby talk, next were gonna say that he miss rallied his marine out on purpose in that 8 rax vs 4p game, anyways i just think he played bad that last game in particular, pole star game i could understand cus it was stressful and he had way less time to think/react, it was a technical/micro mistake mainly, the game on matchpoint was a decision making mistake tho, unforced error, not forced like on pole star
On May 31 2026 10:42 TT1 wrote: BROOOo.,o u transfer to nat AFTER u see Z FINISH speed and the last 2 lings come in (T is blind so he cant know what position hes in / what build Z did, when u see speed thats when u know u cant hold main), thats when u transfer to nat cus u literally cant defend with just 1 rax/no rines and lings trickling in (5 lings + 2 drones in main already vs no marine/1 rax production and ur trying to defend both main and nat? makes 0 sense, u cant fight for ur main cus speed lings coming in >>>>>>>>> 1 marine production)
also he cant block the front with scvs AND defend both his main + nat cus his eco is too messed up, so the only way to stabilize is to run scvs to nat AFTER u see speed and those last 2 lings come in (cus u confirm youre in a bad spot/cant play greedy by retaking main), then u just focus on retaking main when u have enough rines WHILE defending front from more lings trickling in, ofc if it was only 3 slow lings and 2 drones w/ slow lings tricking in u can fight for ur main but his decision to retake main came AFTER seeing speed, thats the point
lets look at the situation step by step, so Z is stuck in T main with 5 supply (3 pairs of lings + 2 drones), remove 5 supply from Z after the last 2 lings come in (cus this is when Flash should have locked the game down to prevent more lings from coming in, thats right after he confirmed Z had speed), Z is 15 supply and T is 18 supply, remove 5 supply from Z supply and its 10 vs 18, thats the position T COULD HAVE put himself in
so T is in a position where he has 2 CC done, Z nat hatch hasnt started yet, Z has 5 supply stuck in T main (and thats after pulling drones/losing drones, plus hes making more lings but Flash doesnt know that, its a safe assumption to make based on drone pull tho) and 2 of them are drones.. in what world is T behind? u lift CC and land it at ur choke right next to nat gas and start making scvs again, then when u have enough rines u retake main and continue playing
and the funny thing is he has multiple opportunities to go to his nat, when he was focused on fighting in his main then this happens
so now even more lings come in and hes still on 1 rax production and it becomes even worse, so those lings run in and then
he decides to a move 4 rines after he finally transfers his scvs to nat vs 7 speed lings
i dont understand whats there to argue about, his calls made the situation worse for himself, his on the fly decision making was off based on what was happening on his screen
like ya u can say stories about his mindset/mentality and how he wanted to approach the series but thats baby talk, next were gonna say that he miss rallied his marine out on purpose in that 8 rax vs 4p game
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