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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2140 Posts
September 30 2025 12:16 GMT
#181
Couple of cool semis coming up!

Two Protoss through is good I guess.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2198 Posts
September 30 2025 12:19 GMT
#182
On September 30 2025 21:14 Highgamer wrote:
Man, Zealots are strong in TvP, but in ZvP they just look OP in so many situations. Probably it's Bisu's timing and micro magic, too.

Bisu Zealots are stronger than others
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2198 Posts
September 30 2025 12:20 GMT
#183
also agreed that these kind of Zealot-heavy timing attacks are like the one time that P actually looks a little OP against Zerg (obviously it doesn't always work out like that...)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8871 Posts
September 30 2025 12:20 GMT
#184
i hope bisu smashes soma
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
September 30 2025 12:21 GMT
#185
On September 30 2025 21:19 gravity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2025 21:14 Highgamer wrote:
Man, Zealots are strong in TvP, but in ZvP they just look OP in so many situations. Probably it's Bisu's timing and micro magic, too.

Bisu Zealots are stronger than others

Yeah, it's about anti-dodging against hydras, Bisu is particularly good at pursuing and targeting the right hydras I think.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3221 Posts
September 30 2025 12:23 GMT
#186
Yeah, I can feel the pain of Zergs during that 10-13th min power spike of Protoss when they have that kind of a death ball army and you can't be sure whether they'll hit the natural or the 3rd to put your defence.

It seems like the benefits from that sneaky 4th base of Larva didn't kick in yet for him though. Bisu probably hit the only timing for him.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-30 12:26:39
September 30 2025 12:26 GMT
#187
Larva is really out of game shape guys, don't put too much on this series. Bisu though, will be far superior against Soma compared to Best.

Bisu just has insane feel for this match-up. Did you notice how he built a cannon in main just as we was going to do an out of position attack on the natural? Knew that that was Larva's only comeback. He just knows, doesn't guess, plays aggressive. Knows the right way to play against Z.

I have him favorite against Soma. Although it's still a PvZ and no one is immune to the bullshit in that match-up but if the vast majority of the games are normal his 6-sair/zealot push constant pressure style is a hard counter to the bait and switch Soma dreams about at night.

Gonna be a fun series.
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary334 Posts
September 30 2025 12:36 GMT
#188
Bisu with no mapple defense practice looks strong this is why he is my favorite Protoss player. Just not die against Soma all ins, and then win this ASL man, if Jaedong cant do it this season
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2140 Posts
September 30 2025 12:38 GMT
#189
On September 30 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:
Yeah, I can feel the pain of Zergs during that 10-13th min power spike of Protoss when they have that kind of a death ball army and you can't be sure whether they'll hit the natural or the 3rd to put your defence.

It seems like the benefits from that sneaky 4th base of Larva didn't kick in yet for him though. Bisu probably hit the only timing for him.

I think Bisu didn't know about the 4th until fairly late. He had a zealot looking for a drone going down, but it never came. And the corsair never went that far South. He was probably going to expand and hang back, but when he saw the base he realised that he had to attack. Just taking his mineral only would've left him too far behind.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1250 Posts
September 30 2025 12:41 GMT
#190
On September 30 2025 21:38 Simplistik wrote:
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On September 30 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:
Yeah, I can feel the pain of Zergs during that 10-13th min power spike of Protoss when they have that kind of a death ball army and you can't be sure whether they'll hit the natural or the 3rd to put your defence.

It seems like the benefits from that sneaky 4th base of Larva didn't kick in yet for him though. Bisu probably hit the only timing for him.

I think Bisu didn't know about the 4th until fairly late. He had a zealot looking for a drone going down, but it never came. And the corsair never went that far South. He was probably going to expand and hang back, but when he saw the base he realised that he had to attack. Just taking his mineral only would've left him too far behind.

it was great game sense. attack before the 4th really takes full effect
JDON MY SOUL!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19365 Posts
September 30 2025 12:59 GMT
#191
Bisu continuing to show off his best form in years. It's really amazing how much changing his setup has improved his abilities.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1250 Posts
September 30 2025 13:24 GMT
#192
On September 30 2025 21:59 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu continuing to show off his best form in years. It's really amazing how much changing his setup has improved his abilities.

The true test lies in SoMa, the currently best performing zerg online and offline. Can Bisu best the best zerg vs protoss of the modern era?
JDON MY SOUL!
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
705 Posts
September 30 2025 13:48 GMT
#193
just now watched the first game...

I wonder what protoss players feel when they see stuff like this + Show Spoiler +
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
September 30 2025 13:54 GMT
#194
My relation of hate/love towards Bisu is still going strong, after all these years. His micro/multitasking is off the chart, always been. Its very impressive to see a confident Bisu toying with his opponents at the pro scene.

vs soma ? I think today's Bisu would win in 6.
vs SnOw though ? Multitasking wont save him in a PvsP, even if he bring his A-game, it won't do.

SnOw's first title is in soma's hands, me think.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
September 30 2025 14:04 GMT
#195
On September 30 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:
Yeah, I can feel the pain of Zergs during that 10-13th min power spike of Protoss when they have that kind of a death ball army and you can't be sure whether they'll hit the natural or the 3rd to put your defence.

It seems like the benefits from that sneaky 4th base of Larva didn't kick in yet for him though. Bisu probably hit the only timing for him.

yeah Larva just needed 1 more minute for the eco to fully kick in, Bisu really struck at the perfect timing
POGGERS
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
September 30 2025 14:05 GMT
#196
On September 30 2025 21:26 oxKnu wrote:
Larva is really out of game shape guys, don't put too much on this series. Bisu though, will be far superior against Soma compared to Best.

Bisu just has insane feel for this match-up. Did you notice how he built a cannon in main just as we was going to do an out of position attack on the natural? Knew that that was Larva's only comeback. He just knows, doesn't guess, plays aggressive. Knows the right way to play against Z.

I have him favorite against Soma. Although it's still a PvZ and no one is immune to the bullshit in that match-up but if the vast majority of the games are normal his 6-sair/zealot push constant pressure style is a hard counter to the bait and switch Soma dreams about at night.

Gonna be a fun series.

quote by the korean casters is that "Bisu was born solely to punish Zergs"
POGGERS
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3221 Posts
September 30 2025 14:10 GMT
#197
On September 30 2025 21:59 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu continuing to show off his best form in years. It's really amazing how much changing his setup has improved his abilities.

Fullscreen Bisu is different.

But to be serious, I think fullscreen probably helps him more in PvT which we can't really see this ASL. His PvZ... he's always expected to beat Queen, BTS, and Larva anyway.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3221 Posts
September 30 2025 14:19 GMT
#198
Btw Snow vs Soma 9 games on stream rn. The last two editions of this both ended 5 4 to Soma
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
September 30 2025 14:20 GMT
#199
On September 30 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:
Yeah, I can feel the pain of Zergs during that 10-13th min power spike of Protoss when they have that kind of a death ball army and you can't be sure whether they'll hit the natural or the 3rd to put your defence.

It seems like the benefits from that sneaky 4th base of Larva didn't kick in yet for him though. Bisu probably hit the only timing for him.


This is why zergs are all inning so hard early game to either get ahead or outright kill protoss. It gets really hard for zerg to snowball into solid macro game onwards from 11 min and forward on these maps.
Life is just life
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
September 30 2025 14:51 GMT
#200
When im allinin, its usually to outright kill my opponent, or get ahead. This sounds about right
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