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On April 30 2025 08:32 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote:On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On April 30 2025 02:18 iFU.pauline wrote:
These approximations were due to lack of consistent training obviously. Will he ever put the effort into it? I watch his stream almost everyday, he doesn't play much games. That is acceptable vs protoss but it won't cut it vs best terrans the mu is too difficult. Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. based on your argument not a single pro practices hard enough. Not a single pro plays 10-15 games per day everday. I've kept close track of pro activity for a few years now and very rarely do they play over 10 games a day. Usually only when they get on Ultimate Battle, the Chinese variant of it, or in the few days leading up to their ASL play day. Quantity =/= Quality.
I watch zergs stream everyday, if not proleague hero zero and soulkey are playing way more often meanwhile JD watches kor babe playing sc. I won't talk about protoss or terran coze I don't watch them. And yes, 10 games a day is a minimum to talk about "plenty". Are you arguing on this? I also can assure you than JD doesn't play more than anyone on teamliquid starting with me for the past 3 months lol. 100 games a month is 3.3 games a day as average, and yes, that's what you find on a 8 hours JD's stream indeed. Furthermore, even if other pro would do as average 6 games a day, that is still almost twice the practice volume of JD, you would expect this to have an impact at some point. Finally, the average game length for zerg is around 12minutes, 6 games a day is not such a big effort, that's not even close to "grinding". You start at 8pm and at 10pm you are already in bed.
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On April 30 2025 15:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote:On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On April 30 2025 02:18 iFU.pauline wrote:
These approximations were due to lack of consistent training obviously. Will he ever put the effort into it? I watch his stream almost everyday, he doesn't play much games. That is acceptable vs protoss but it won't cut it vs best terrans the mu is too difficult. Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. no one consistently plays 10-15 games a day now. what a stupid point to make. jd didnt lose because he didnt practice enough. his main practice partner was flash for this round and if you watch flash's commentary all you hear is flash saying "we practiced this scenario" in every game. in the last game for example, flash specifically called out the bunker rush prior to it happening because he and jd specifically prepared for it and flash told jd how to defend it, which was to do a 4 ling runby past the bunkers to cut marine reinforcements, then bust the bunker rush with 8-12 zerglings. the early drone search was also planned because terrans dont want to play against mutas on that map and so it was worth sending out a drone to eliminate 8 rax. even in the followup scenario where jd gets bunker rushed from 10 rax, jd would still be ahead if he defended as he did during practice. jd fucked up the runby by letting 2 zerglings die because he decided to snipe a scv on the way and those 2 zerglings made the difference. it just wasnt jd's day. he got to the arena 10 mins before the match started because he forgot the usb to his mouse and had to go home to get it. the stars just werent aligning for him. in his post match interview he said he thinks he maybe lost because he actually practiced too much. he was overthinking things rather than just playing instinctively, which is what jd does best and what gives him his signature aggressive play. he won game 4 because he was just pissed at himself and said "fuck it". he would have won game 1 if he just played as per usual but his practice games gave him the idea that he could just play safe and win from his advantageous position.
Yes. Thanks for the insight. The foreign community really needs someone who speaks Korean to provide these tidbits. So many misinformation and misconceptions because no one knows whats the pros are saying.
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On April 30 2025 15:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote:On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On April 30 2025 02:18 iFU.pauline wrote:
These approximations were due to lack of consistent training obviously. Will he ever put the effort into it? I watch his stream almost everyday, he doesn't play much games. That is acceptable vs protoss but it won't cut it vs best terrans the mu is too difficult. Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. no one consistently plays 10-15 games a day now. what a stupid point to make. jd didnt lose because he didnt practice enough. his main practice partner was flash for this round and if you watch flash's commentary all you hear is flash saying "we practiced this scenario" in every game. in the last game for example, flash specifically called out the bunker rush prior to it happening because he and jd specifically prepared for it and flash told jd how to defend it, which was to do a 4 ling runby past the bunkers to cut marine reinforcements, then bust the bunker rush with 8-12 zerglings. the early drone search was also planned because terrans dont want to play against mutas on that map and so it was worth sending out a drone to eliminate 8 rax. even in the followup scenario where jd gets bunker rushed from 10 rax, jd would still be ahead if he defended as he did during practice. jd fucked up the runby by letting 2 zerglings die because he decided to snipe a scv on the way and those 2 zerglings made the difference. it just wasnt jd's day. he got to the arena 10 mins before the match started because he forgot the usb to his mouse and had to go home to get it. the stars just werent aligning for him. in his post match interview he said he thinks he maybe lost because he actually practiced too much. he was overthinking things rather than just playing instinctively, which is what jd does best and what gives him his signature aggressive play. he won game 4 because he was just pissed at himself and said "fuck it". he would have won game 1 if he just played as per usual but his practice games gave him the idea that he could just play safe and win from his advantageous position.
Thank you for this comment and happy birthday!!
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That first game was awesome, one of the best this ASL for sure. Just too bad to see JD fall apart afterward. Still proud of him for making it to the Ro8 though.
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On April 30 2025 22:16 Ideas wrote:
That first game was awesome, one of the best this ASL for sure. Just too bad to see JD fall apart afterward. Still proud of him for making it to the Ro8 though.
Yeah it was a masterclass from both sides, though i think Jaedong would have been inspired to go for the jugular earlier. The wraith ctrl group to counter queens was extremely cool. It felt a bit like mech was dead when Zergs started to build queens consistently, it’s nice to see that Terrans actually have plenty of resources to Keri that part of the meta going.
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