EPT[ASL19] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 5
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prion_
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TMNT
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Actually I think Terran has 2 with Flash as well, but he doesn't count for now. Then you can't really put a clear cut rank between Queen Hero JD Action / Bisu Mini Best Rain / Rush Royal Sharp Speed etc. | ||
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Zografa
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On April 29 2025 22:29 prion_ wrote: I was really rooting for Jaedong but don't know where people are getting the impression he was in any way favored. Yes, he's been in better form recently and showed good games against Speed, but Light is on a different level, and online Jaedong has been struggling in ZvT against top Terrans (this year: 3-7 Light, 12-16 Royal, 13-28 Rush). Jaedongs record vs light on eloboaed is like 47 wins 150 losses. Light was mega favored. | ||
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Highgamer
1475 Posts
showed up strong in G1, big macro game, despite not looking well prepared for Valks or Wraiths. Light though was looking adamant all game long but it was no easy victory. But in the rest of the games JD just seemed to misjudge some situations and fell behind early to rather simple marine pressure plays. Then Light's anti-muta and mid-game pressure were just too strong to forge a comback. Light just seemed too solid (or didn't get tested enough probably) except for that one situation where he messed up his defense at his wall-off, which lead to JD's win. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1779 Posts
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Highgamer
1475 Posts
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prosatan
Romania9419 Posts
On April 30 2025 02:52 Highgamer wrote: Tbh I just hope he takes it well and continues to have fun with BW and his stream. He made ro8, that's no small feat. He's not getting younger, it's great that he's still playing at this level. I don't need to see him grinding and practicing all the time. +1 Highgamer!! | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On April 30 2025 02:18 iFU.pauline wrote: These approximations were due to lack of consistent training obviously. Will he ever put the effort into it? I watch his stream almost everyday, he doesn't play much games. That is acceptable vs protoss but it won't cut it vs best terrans the mu is too difficult. Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. | ||
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Zografa
336 Posts
On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. Yeah was gonna say the same JD did practice this time - he had 2nd most games for April, only behind Zero and as u said and confirmed by his speech after ro16 - he said he did a lot of practice with JyJ and another one, those games werent on the eloboard, so they were "offline" - i imagine he did the same for the match vs light - he stopped streaming on friday i think so he had a good 3 days to do private preparation - this is probably like 30-40 games on top, totaling at ~200 games vs top pros for the month of April. Thats a lot of game. I start to believe his problems are really more psychological than mechanical or skillwise - i mean he looked amazing in Ro16 vs Speed, both games he was really playing top level. VS Light out of thet 5 games he did good in just 2. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19396 Posts
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TMNT
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I remember similar thing happened to no other than Light a couple of years ago in the series with Best. For some reason he didn't ban 76 and accepted to wrestle with Best for 40 min on that map which is ridiculously demanding. It was an incredible, probably best game of that season but Light took nothing from it, and the next game he was almost mentally checked out, made a glaring mistake and got ran over by a simple bust from Best. This will probably happen to most of our pros as these guys are all now in their mid 30s. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7209 Posts
On April 30 2025 05:14 BisuDagger wrote: Game 1 was so good! I feel like it went to long and wore JD down though. It’s really tough to grind a series with wrist problems. It reminds me of Byun from SC2. He can win any game, but a series crushes him physically. I feel like we saw that physical toll by the end. Im not sure how well physically Jaedong is but recently he has been playing those bo7 series very often sponsored by China and starcast. And countless bo3 vs Rush Speed etc. If he was suffering i wouldnt expect him to play this hard. However i think he took a hit mentally after game 1. But is not even like he played a bad series tbh. I would give more credit to Light here playing some extremely well early game attacks that basically just punished Jaedong. Perfect example is the last game . Jaedong killed the scv but Light smartly enough sent a second one. Jaedong was so sure he would clean the bunker with just lings ( cuz there was only 1 scv ) Take in mind Light build was a very standard Barrack opening and no a bunker Rush build. But with minerals boosting and the rush distance in map dependance Terran can still do a bunker rush. So he didnt make a sunken. It also didnt help that Jaedong early scouted with a drone so that actually slow down his pool aswell.. These days pro games are truly being defined by nails decisions. is actually insane. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1779 Posts
On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice. Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study. He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. | ||
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Highgamer
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
On April 30 2025 05:14 BisuDagger wrote: Game 1 was so good! I feel like it went to long and wore JD down though. It’s really tough to grind a series with wrist problems. It reminds me of Byun from SC2. He can win any game, but a series crushes him physically. I feel like we saw that physical toll by the end. It's more than physical. I've played enough bw to understand what it means to lose a game like that. Momentum is an under-statement. I don't know many players who could have come back from a (1st) game like that. i miss EffOrt. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote: He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. based on your argument not a single pro practices hard enough. Not a single pro plays 10-15 games per day everday. I've kept close track of pro activity for a few years now and very rarely do they play over 10 games a day. Usually only when they get on Ultimate Battle, the Chinese variant of it, or in the few days leading up to their ASL play day. Quantity =/= Quality. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8195 Posts
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prosatan
Romania9419 Posts
On April 30 2025 13:25 Vasoline73 wrote: I'm glad JD won a game at least. Light is a tough opponent. Yes! I remember Jd vs Last and it saddens me... At least we won a game and also, the first game was very competitive... | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8937 Posts
On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote: He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this. no one consistently plays 10-15 games a day now. what a stupid point to make. jd didnt lose because he didnt practice enough. his main practice partner was flash for this round and if you watch flash's commentary all you hear is flash saying "we practiced this scenario" in every game. in the last game for example, flash specifically called out the bunker rush prior to it happening because he and jd specifically prepared for it and flash told jd how to defend it, which was to do a 4 ling runby past the bunkers to cut marine reinforcements, then bust the bunker rush with 8-12 zerglings. the early drone search was also planned because terrans dont want to play against mutas on that map and so it was worth sending out a drone to eliminate 8 rax. even in the followup scenario where jd gets bunker rushed from 10 rax, jd would still be ahead if he defended as he did during practice. jd fucked up the runby by letting 2 zerglings die because he decided to snipe a scv on the way and those 2 zerglings made the difference. it just wasnt jd's day. he got to the arena 10 mins before the match started because he forgot the usb to his mouse and had to go home to get it. the stars just werent aligning for him. in his post match interview he said he thinks he maybe lost because he actually practiced too much. he was overthinking things rather than just playing instinctively, which is what jd does best and what gives him his signature aggressive play. he won game 4 because he was just pissed at himself and said "fuck it". he would have won game 1 if he just played as per usual but his practice games gave him the idea that he could just play safe and win from his advantageous position. | ||
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