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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On April 28 2025 21:55 RowdierBob wrote:
Xun is growing on me as a commentator but he seems to have no idea about the level of the pros. Like he thinks Best is a big adv vs JD/Light and now he’s saying Rain is a big favourite vs Snow.
Look I’ve been stanning for Rain but I think it’s a 50/50 cs Snow.
Rain is an incredible player and I would honestly think he has a slight advantage vs Snow too
Rain plays league most of the time and still casually advances to Ro8 without trying too hard lol
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On April 28 2025 21:55 TMNT wrote:
But it does feel like there's a lot of throwing back and forth in PvZ this season.
Bisu vs Killer. Stork vs Queen. Rain vs Action. And this series alone must be at leats 3-4 throws in the 7 games, sometimes twice in the same game.
The match has become a tad volatile with the hydra/muta snipe play style.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On April 28 2025 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2025 21:53 Simplistik wrote:
I'm just so pleased that this was a fun series to watch. Last season we had blow-outs in all the knock-out matches. can't remember the last time we ever went to game 7 really
same, it felt like a ton of 4-0s or 4-1s
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
god i REALLY REALLY hope JD goes to Ro4
he has been improving a lot lately in online leagues, and some games were pure classic vintage prime era JD moments
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On April 28 2025 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2025 21:53 Simplistik wrote:
I'm just so pleased that this was a fun series to watch. Last season we had blow-outs in all the knock-out matches. can't remember the last time we ever went to game 7 really
There were some TvZ's a few seasons ago. SK vs Rush, JyJ vs herO, Royal vs SK. Can't remember any PvZ's.
We've only had Bo7 in Ro8 for a couple of seasons or so, right?
Oh yeah, I also bet Best...
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Netherlands5826 Posts
On April 28 2025 21:55 TMNT wrote:
But it does feel like there's a lot of throwing back and forth in PvZ this season.
Bisu vs Killer. Stork vs Queen. Rain vs Action. And this series alone must be at leats 3-4 throws in the 7 games, sometimes twice in the same game.
This is the real experience of playing BW for anyone but FlaSh or peak Bisu/JD/Jangbi.
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On April 28 2025 21:56 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2025 21:55 RowdierBob wrote:
Xun is growing on me as a commentator but he seems to have no idea about the level of the pros. Like he thinks Best is a big adv vs JD/Light and now he’s saying Rain is a big favourite vs Snow.
Look I’ve been stanning for Rain but I think it’s a 50/50 cs Snow. Rain is an incredible player and I would honestly think he has a slight advantage vs Snow too Rain plays league most of the time and still casually advances to Ro8 without trying too hard lol
Snow played a really clinical PvP vs Bisu one or two seasons ago. If he's calm, he'll win.
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Prob the best bo7 since SK vs Rush or JYJ vs Hero.
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Let's face it, Mini was right. The right way to play PvZ is as aggressive as possible. Shown tonight, with sloppy mistakes and all...
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On April 28 2025 21:59 Simplistik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2025 21:56 konadora wrote:On April 28 2025 21:55 RowdierBob wrote:
Xun is growing on me as a commentator but he seems to have no idea about the level of the pros. Like he thinks Best is a big adv vs JD/Light and now he’s saying Rain is a big favourite vs Snow.
Look I’ve been stanning for Rain but I think it’s a 50/50 cs Snow. Rain is an incredible player and I would honestly think he has a slight advantage vs Snow too Rain plays league most of the time and still casually advances to Ro8 without trying too hard lol Snow played a really clinical PvP vs Bisu one or two seasons ago. If he's calm, he'll win.
Snow in a calm and focused state is honestly on par with Soulkey. But so is Light. Soulkey, Light and SnOw form the holy trinity of the three races.
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But I gotta say Best had incredible build order luck in the last 3 games to reverse the series:
- cannon rush close spawn
- 12 nexus cross spawn
- 9 pool cross spawn vs forge opening
One thing slightly different and we'd be looking at very different outcome now.
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On April 28 2025 22:06 TMNT wrote:
But I gotta say Best had incredible build order luck in the last 3 games to reverse the series:
- cannon rush close spawn
- 12 nexus cross spawn
- 9 pool cross spawn vs forge opening
One thing slightly different and we'd be looking at very different outcome now.
with (near) equally skilled players seemingly small variations from game to game can lead to wildly different outcomes. Is Best the better player than Queen? Maybe, maybe not. But he did win by playing better for at least more games than Queen did.
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Netherlands5826 Posts
On April 28 2025 22:06 TMNT wrote:
One thing slightly different and we'd be looking at very different outcome now.
This is the real experience of playing BW. And this is why resilience is something all true champions show.
A game of BW is never lost or over till it is.
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On April 28 2025 22:06 TMNT wrote:
But I gotta say Best had incredible build order luck in the last 3 games to reverse the series:
- cannon rush close spawn
- 12 nexus cross spawn
- 9 pool cross spawn vs forge opening
One thing slightly different and we'd be looking at very different outcome now. I don't think these games were so clean that you can point to the initial build order as being the deciding factor.
Your right that small differences could have swung games but there were multiple swing points in each, imo.
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On April 28 2025 22:06 TMNT wrote:
But I gotta say Best had incredible build order luck in the last 3 games to reverse the series:
- cannon rush close spawn
- 12 nexus cross spawn
- 9 pool cross spawn vs forge opening
One thing slightly different and we'd be looking at very different outcome now.
A really key adjustment he made in games 6 and 7 was going citadel first. His speed zeals hit a lot quicker than the standard stargate->citadel build and it worked very well for him. Zero didn’t have the space he wanted to drone whore.
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i too think queen was unlucky with build orders,
maybe soulkey will be unlucky vs rush and we may have pvp finals
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A little cringe to see all those HT picked off for free but I guess it didn't matter in the end. So happy for Best. Like wow, what an amazing series. One of the most entertaining I've seen in a long time. Worthy of a finals. The energy was palpable; the kind that only these high stakes offline series can give you. So back and forth, so many mind games, and super cool to see + Show Spoiler +, even if Best got unlucky with it toward the end. I'm not good or smart enough to identify the depth of what was going on but as pure spectacle entertainment for an out-of-touch boomer who likes the 12-unit selection cap, it thoroughly delivered.
It was almost exactly like that scene from jurassic park, where the kid tells some dino jokes and then they all fall quietly asleep in the tree to soft piano music, then wake up without a single mosquito bite.
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ZerO played quite well considering those build order, but he should have anticipated that Best would go Forge expand after that Nexus first.
But ZerO's gameplay is so behind hero and Sk even though he's ahead of pretty much anyone else. In the first game perhaps, i get it, i understand that he went 3h hydras after/vs against dual gates but i feel like someone like Sk would have made the perfect amount of dras to be able to take another expansion and kill half of the wall.
ZerO just pumped sh then realise that, well, he was fucked.
It was almost like that jurassic park scene in which the guy fell off a cliff, then was against a zillion of baby dinos. Except the fact that he decided to just walk on them and run back to the camp instead of collapsing behind the river.
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Honestly more embarrassing for Queen than the BCM loss. No shot a Zerg should lose a Bo7 to a Toss today. And it still took mostly luck for it to happen.
Very impressed by Best, always knew he had a chance, but unfortunately requires misplay by Zerg and luck, which he got!
On April 29 2025 01:52 RogerChillingworth wrote:
A little cringe to see all those HT picked off for free.
Seen this exact thing happen every PvZ this decade, Toss has basically no defense against it. Hardly cringe
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