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LB on Speed and Best.. I am already nervous | ||
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But this time , I'll make them right !!  | ||
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Game 2: Jaedong > Best Game 3: Sharp > Jaedong Game 4: Speed > Best Game 5: Jaedong > Speed | ||
Peeano
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If JD takes a quick win on a greedy/indecisive Best he has a good chance to win one of the Bo3s. If not, I don't see him winning 2 bo3s in a row. Sharp > Speed JD > Best Sharp < JD Speed < Best Sharp < Best | ||
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Last.Midnight
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Best > JD Speed > Best Sharp > JD Best > Sharp | ||
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On April 15 2025 19:15 RowdierBob wrote: 99% JD is doing a ling or hydra all in vs best. If he dies to it he deserves to go out today.  his muta control is still very good, you know.. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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prosatan
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one probe down !! | ||
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prosatan
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the cannon is up | ||
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prosatan
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let's hope best can't snipe even a single ovi | ||
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razorsuKe
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On April 15 2025 19:50 gravity wrote: Why did Best attack his own Pylon with a cannon at the Zerg expand? (at least I thought I saw that) it was in range of sunkens there's a sunken glitch which gives it infinite attack range, as long as the sunken can attack something in its original range. with the pylon gone, sunks won't hit the cannon see this thread for more info: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/96786-how-to-make-sunkens-have-infinite-range | ||
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prosatan
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one sair down !!! | ||
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RowdierBob
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On April 15 2025 19:15 RowdierBob wrote: 99% JD is doing a ling or hydra all in vs best. If he dies to it he deserves to go out today. Good call -_- | ||
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gravity
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On April 15 2025 19:53 razorsuKe wrote: it was in range of sunkens there's a sunken glitch which gives it infinite attack range, as long as the sunken can attack something in its original range. with the pylon gone, sunks won't hit the cannon see this thread for more info: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/96786-how-to-make-sunkens-have-infinite-range Thanks, I saw the sunken stopped attacking but wasn't sure if I was imagining that sequence of events. | ||
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Poll: Recommend JD vs Best? Fuck Yeah (23) No (2) If you have time(and you will have) (0) 25 total votes Your vote: Recommend JD vs Best? (Vote): Fuck Yeah | ||
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ShloobeR
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that cheeky lurker egg at the end must have been very cathartic after the cannon rush | ||
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On April 15 2025 20:02 Zografa wrote: casters talking bs how far behind was jd, after he kills 2 pylons 2 canons and 3 probes with losing like 3 lings... korean or english casters ? | ||
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english | ||
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Then just cascade of failures. Fail roamin, get HT sniped in natural by 5 mutas despite having all the sairs, fail to deny bottom right AND get zealots trapped. JD looking very strong. | ||
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prosatan
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On April 15 2025 20:06 Kespa1988 wrote: I have no faith in JD vs Speed. His zvt is very weak as last week showed, and Speed is a player who JD struggles the most, ill be very suprised if he can make it. he trained a bit with Flash, right ? + Show Spoiler + even if he lost very badly | ||
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TMNT
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On April 15 2025 20:02 Zografa wrote: casters talking bs how far behind was jd, after he kills 2 pylons 2 canons and 3 probes with losing like 3 lings... Yeah gotta agree. JD made 2 sunks and a bunch of lings but Protoss also wasted like 500 minerals 2 probes and delayed his expansion while also had to make 2 cannons for safety, but casters treated it only from the Zerg perspective. It's hard to call who's ahead after a cannon rush but definitely no one was far behind. | ||
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prosatan
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Only if we get there.... | ||
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On April 15 2025 20:21 Zografa wrote: if JD dies to marines im gonna be angry this is many sunkens yes ? | ||
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Zografa
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not sure he needed that much, not sure if he is ahead now | ||
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prosatan
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We are ahead 100% ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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good plagues and dark swarms for JD | ||
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prosatan
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And we bring out the sheeps! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 15 2025 20:33 gravity wrote: Not sure what the BCs were supposed to do in a game where jaedong has had good anti air at almost all times, this wasn't the move to make. | ||
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prosatan
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a 9 pool would be fine i think | ||
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prosatan
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good move ! | ||
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DropBear
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Was really impressed with Speed against Sharp, JD looked on another level though | ||
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prosatan
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On April 15 2025 20:37 DropBear wrote: I haven't watched in years, was it just bo1 for the for the first matches and bo3 for the rest of the group? Was really impressed with Speed against Sharp, JD looked on another level though yes! 2 BO 1 3 BO 3 | ||
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prosatan
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JD is taking his 3rd | ||
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Cool, thanks!.I have this week off work so will watch every game! Looks like I missed group A though It's so cool to have live starcraft on my TV, in high def, with a TL thread and it's 2025! | ||
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On April 15 2025 20:47 DropBear wrote: Cool, thanks!.I have this week off work so will watch every game! Looks like I missed group A though It's so cool to have live starcraft on my TV, in high def, with a TL thread and it's 2025! so long as I'm around the threads will be there. | ||
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prosatan
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YES GOD ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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speed was a pretty important OZ B-teamer/practive partner to Jaedong's ZvT in the later years of proleague. He would often get mentioned in interviews for it. | ||
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Poll: Recommend Winners Game 2 ? Yes (30) No (0) If you have time (0) 30 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners Game 2 ? | ||
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On April 15 2025 20:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: so long as I'm around the threads will be there. You're a legend mate, great to see you floating around so many years on! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 15 2025 20:56 RowdierBob wrote: Sheeps out baby! saving that for much later. | ||
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razorsuKe
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units randomly there when they needed to be there. well except for that 3rd drop, but that was handled | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/8L80TX8S/JD-vs-Speed2.jpg) | ||
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On April 15 2025 20:40 Zografa wrote: casters again unaware that JD had reached ro4 and ro8 in ASL already... talking how he would cement his legacy if he reaches ro8 It's true, they're not in form. Too many forecasts who's gonna win, and bad forecast, after almost every engagement, they should refrain from it. Also, mentioning the word gamestate at least once a minute is tedious. They're also commenting too over the top, not every fight is Awesome. | ||
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prosatan
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On April 15 2025 21:01 Kespa1988 wrote: Really impresive from JD. Last week he was 2:7 vs Rush, and like 1:8 to Flash i was aware he cant make it, but he was prepared. God job JD! this is how we train !! | ||
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Who would be considered favourite in this match? Best doesn't seem to be as strong as I expected | ||
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Poll: Recommend Losers game 1 ? Yes (11) If you have time (2) No (0) 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers game 1 ? | ||
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TMNT
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On April 15 2025 21:21 DropBear wrote: Fantastic timing attack from Sharp to kill the 3rd. Who would be considered favourite in this match? Best doesn't seem to be as strong as I expected There was a similar game between Flash and Rain just yesterday. Flash killed Rain's third but lost all his army in the process, and later Rain just slapped back. But in that game Rain didn't lose any probes, unlike Best today. Best was definitely far behind but then all it takes for Terran to lose is one bad positioning in a big engagement. Stormy bois!!! | ||
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If Speed is playing like Sharp, i don't see him qualifying He must do something unorthodox to win imo | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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and its not even the first time this happened to sharp | ||
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I feel like he was helping Best rather than himself actually. | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:03 TMNT wrote: Is it worth it to keep shooting down your own SCVs like that to kill the DT? I feel like he was helping Best rather than himself actually. Tough call. The first times maybe, but gotta be efficient with it. Had to do something or DTs would kill every supply depot and perma block him. | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:03 TMNT wrote: Is it worth it to keep shooting down your own SCVs like that to kill the DT? I feel like he was helping Best rather than himself actually. | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:03 TMNT wrote: Is it worth it to keep shooting down your own SCVs like that to kill the DT? I feel like he was helping Best rather than himself actually. If the terran would kill his own scvs everytime i dt drop him, i would do it as a living | ||
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GG | ||
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Poll: Recommend Final Game 2 ? Yes (10) If you have time (1) No (0) 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game 2 ? | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:23 HOLYBATS wrote: Pure domination. Give Best pvt all day long! Only gonna be Light, maybe Rush left, better hope he gets a lucky draw 😂 | ||
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Might only have 1 Terran in ro8 | ||
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prosatan
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snow vs rax BO 7 between Bisu and Rush ! | ||
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HOLYBATS
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On April 15 2025 22:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Only gonna be Light, maybe Rush left, better hope he gets a lucky draw 😂 | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On April 15 2025 22:41 HOLYBATS wrote: He can't draw Light as both are 2nd. I don't think Rush can win group D. It is going to be SnOw and HerO from group D. They legit look the strongest. Rush and Mini are not too far off though. Its like 35/100 snow. 25/100 HerO. 20/100 each for mini and rush. | ||
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On April 15 2025 23:13 TMNT wrote: For group B C and D, if you let them repeatedly play out every day over and over again, each day you would end up with a different outcome. And that's why you shouldn't jump to any kind of conclusion about any player after a specfic result, because for the majority of them, it's just day-to-day variations. exactly this. these groups are largely equal. Its somewhat why I dont like some of the narratives build up on the SCEN casts around player performance. These players are so close in skill that game to game variations in execution and build order choices is going to cause a different outcome. | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:33 DropBear wrote: What are Rush's chances of making it through group D? That's a pretty tough group for a Terran, right? Might only have 1 Terran in ro8 Very good, i would say 35% | ||
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Peeano
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On April 15 2025 21:03 prosatan wrote: RAINBOW SHEEPS WHERE ? When you demanded it, you didn't finish your job yet ![[image loading]](https://tl.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) | ||
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On April 16 2025 01:54 Peeano wrote: When you demanded it, you didn't finish your job yet i will forever be grateful !  | ||
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RAISE YOUR SHEEPERS | ||
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On April 16 2025 08:57 Ideas wrote: Is it me or does JD have better ZvT than ZvP right now? he looks so good. Watching JD kill vessels nonstop is one of the greatest joy of watching pro BW From what i can tell, his zvsp always has and still is better than his zvst. He certainly has improved though, but lets be honest: everything went jaedong's way today. And good for him, go jd! | ||
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RowdierBob
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On April 16 2025 10:37 TornadoSteve wrote: From what i can tell, his zvsp always has and still is better than his zvst. He certainly has improved though, but lets be honest: everything went jaedong's way today. And good for him, go jd! Peak JD never really had a weak matchup. His ZvZ was near unbeatable but his ZvT and ZvP wasn’t far behind. I wonder how well he does atm against guys like Hero, Queen, SK and Action. | ||
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Zografa
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On April 16 2025 15:14 RowdierBob wrote: Peak JD never really had a weak matchup. His ZvZ was near unbeatable but his ZvT and ZvP wasn’t far behind. I wonder how well he does atm against guys like Hero, Queen, SK and Action. SK and hero far more steady results than current JD, Action and Queen not so much. Action is imo worse than JD overall. Currently 1. SK 2. hero 3. Queen 4. JD in terms of zergs. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On April 16 2025 15:17 RowdierBob wrote: And is it just me or the the T>Z>P>T super pronounced at the moment? Not sure about the others mu but P>T is the most pronounced right now because most P are attacking so well... With the exceptions of R*** and B**u | ||
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On April 16 2025 15:14 RowdierBob wrote: Peak JD never really had a weak matchup. His ZvZ was near unbeatable but his ZvT and ZvP wasn’t far behind. I wonder how well he does atm against guys like Hero, Queen, SK and Action. On that note, even though he played great in the TvZ and his muta control was good. I couldn't help think, this is the guy who could micro two control groups of mutas at the same time, so his control of one group of mutas is actually just "okay" compared to his peak level lol. | ||
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mtcn77
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On April 16 2025 15:17 RowdierBob wrote: And is it just me or the the T>Z>P>T super pronounced at the moment? I think that part is very instrumental in depicting the whole picture. When you are trying to go against the current, one base strategies Bisu play may break the norm. I haven't seen such dominant plays like he displayed in the last round. PS: I must say he might also follow up Speed at a spot in the highlights of this season. Macro and micro don't always mix. I just wanted to say you need to gamble with more aggression against a macro efficient zerg player, but I think Bisu has the most propensity for such hard earned victories. | ||
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On April 17 2025 04:04 QRCode wrote: Speed's a good player. But he was not playing up to his standard. He failed to impress with any micro plays, and JD and Best were just playing it safe and outsmarting him. He needs to up his execution or change his playstyle a bit. That is what I saw with DeWalt, too. Pros like soma don't have to play risky and make their opponents look out of position while doing it. | ||
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On April 16 2025 08:57 Ideas wrote: Is it me or does JD have better ZvT than ZvP right now? he looks so good. Watching JD kill vessels nonstop is one of the greatest joy of watching pro BW I mean, last month his daily proleague stats had him at 65% ZvT winrate vs his 50% ZvP winrate... Could also be that there is no outstanding terran player while there is Snow and Mini. | ||
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On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote: Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype! | ||
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mtcn77
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PS: just kidding. It has all to do with the map pool. Large and restrictive > air units rank supreme. | ||
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I actually have given up him making it even outside R16 after awhile lol | ||
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On April 15 2025 22:27 RowdierBob wrote: Is there a bigger skill gap in BW between Best’s PvT and PvZ? Dude would romp through ASL if he only had to face Terrans and would struggle to make ro16 playing only zergs -_- I kind'a disagree. I think he is solid overall in all matches. Best is the most original protoss player in ASL vs. zerg - he somehow has a higher winrate in PvZ than in PvP and i PvT, he is the most common cannon rusher, he makes dark templars way more often than any other protoss and he very often makes a red archon to counter mutas & kill defilers. His unorthodox PvZ style is something that zerg our lords often find hard to deal with, where as Bisu's perfect standard, but in a way predictable play style, is these days an easy read-able for guys like Soulkey and Hero. On April 16 2025 00:34 chongu wrote: Raise your dongers! Checked. On April 15 2025 20:02 Zografa wrote: casters talking bs how far behind was jd, after he kills 2 pylons 2 canons and 3 probes with losing like 3 lings... Haha, yes! Those guys are zergs. All they see is this: 4 drones not mining versus 2 probes not mining. 2 drones forced into sunken colonies, which might have no use in the short time to come. Zerglings forced into a forge expand build, which could have been drones. They are biased and they were obvioulsy wrong... Anyone neutral sees the situation like this: protoss wasted 2 pylons and a canon for nothing. Zerg wasted 2 drones for sunkens, which might come useful later. Zerg kept a hatchery alive vs. cannon rush and did not loose a single drone defending it - zerg is ahead. On April 16 2025 08:51 BisuDagger wrote: Jaedong and BeSt in the ro8 makes this the best ASL ever. What a day for those two! For me this is the best R16 ASL i have seen so far! The next natural obvious thing is for Bisu to disappoint us all and loose to some stupid shit, just coz you know - we don't deserve both JD and Bisu facing each other in R8, in best of 7. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT [2025-04-23] On April 15 2025 20:40 Zografa wrote: casters again unaware that JD had reached ro4 and ro8 in ASL already... talking how he would cement his legacy if he reaches ro8 I just checked this by watching the StarCastTV video and you were wrong! They were aware of JD's previous R8. I had to edit my previous message, because i wrote unnecessary criticism thinking you were right... Xun said: "this is his (JD) first time breaking through into a round of 8 in quite a few tournaments''. You need to listen CAREFULLY next time and not give Sayian and Xun a bad name with your misinterpretation! | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On April 18 2025 05:37 mtcn77 wrote: Bisu and JD is really on an upward curve. I don't trust win stats. Last season everyone prophesized how Snow struggled and how Rain blitzed through Speed. It is all down to chance. Those players can all beat each other over one game. Over one tournament, everything can happen, because the skill gaps are not that dramatic. I kind of wish matches had more games. I could see finals be closer to a chess match and being bo9 or bo11s. I think nerves and experience playing on stage on a foreign desk, with a foreign monitor rather than in the comfort of home has a gigantic impact when you have old legends going against somewhat newer players. | ||
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On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote: Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype! Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1053 Posts
On April 18 2025 06:37 TMNT wrote: Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top. I am actually feeling quite good about Rush in group D. He can take out HerO, but not SnOw. But honestly, Group D has 4 player capable of either semi-final or the finals. Its a crazy crazy strong group. Maybe the strongest group ever? | ||
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HolySmokes
56 Posts
On April 18 2025 06:37 TMNT wrote: Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top. Agreed, the bracket structure has been very unkind to T in setting up a lot of mirror matchups. Top tier P's and Z's have also been beating top T's very consistently. I looked at the win record for each matchup, so far it is (by series record and not games): Overall / top tier matchups PvT 4-2 / 3-0 ZvP 8-4 / 2-1 TvZ 6-8 / 1-4 P 8 T 8 Z 16 TvT 7 PvP 1 ZvZ 0 | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
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TMNT
3098 Posts
On April 18 2025 09:07 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I am actually feeling quite good about Rush in group D. He can take out HerO, but not SnOw. But honestly, Group D has 4 player capable of either semi-final or the finals. Its a crazy crazy strong group. Maybe the strongest group ever? Strongest ever for me is the Snow Soma Soulkey Queen in ASL14. This one is similar to the Best Soulkey Light Snow group in ASL15. Funnily in both previous cases, the player who eventually finished 1st is the least likely one. But tbh there may be a strongest group in the early seasons not fresh in our memory | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada125 Posts
In 2025, Best's PvZ and PvT are equally strong and inconsistent, and he can win against anybody in any given day (including Soulkey). His PvP is terrible. How times have changed | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7923 Posts
Thoughts? | ||
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felleN
Australia67 Posts
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Sorusaba
294 Posts
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Kespa1988
65 Posts
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while. There are days he can beat anyone and days like he is 1-8 vs Flash or 2-7 vs Rush in showmatch games. In his case it's more of mindset than temporary shape he is in. Ofc not like he could not train at all. Each ASL there is hype JD is looking strong. Personally i believe each stage could be his last as he doesnt have to prove anything. He acomplished everything in esport. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey639 Posts
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while. Thoughts? He said he played mainstream when he doubted himself in the past. I believe it to be true. Jaedong is not like Queen, or Soulkey who plays macro and gets annihilated vs mini and goes into a slump. Everything Jaedong does is cheese, however that term does not fully reflect the case with zerg. When Jaedong, or any other zerg plays a build, it is a timing rush just like zvz, so it elevates their play. Otherwise, who would we have on magazine covers muta scourge bombing the first corsair warped from Stargate. Jaedong put antiair zvp into the mainstream just as july put zvt air into the mainstream. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while. Thoughts? Yeah he's kinda really really strong nowadays. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Miragee
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey639 Posts
On April 19 2025 23:35 Miragee wrote: I really happy to have been proven wrong about Jaedong. Really strong showing in all three games! It was really refreshing to see him like that on stage and it made me really happy to see how happy he was with himself after that performance. His thank you speech was so fucking adorable! ^.^ That Snow loss in ASL15 Group D due to map error really pushed him hard. I think he took that lesson pretty close to heart. You shouldn't lose drones due to HT from across the hill. That is just careless map editing. Good riddance with Dark Origin. You cannot humiliate a tyrant so. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while. Thoughts? He is. Looks like his massive tryharding is really paying off Might be a mentality thing. Last season he was kinda off but this season he was on point. I also like his little celebrations each win | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1013 Posts
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