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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
April 17 2025 20:37 GMT
#181
Bisu and JD is really on an upward curve. I don't trust win stats. Last season everyone prophesized how Snow struggled and how Rain blitzed through Speed. It is all down to chance.
Turrican
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8182 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-17 21:27:50
April 17 2025 21:27 GMT
#182
On April 18 2025 05:37 mtcn77 wrote:
Bisu and JD is really on an upward curve. I don't trust win stats. Last season everyone prophesized how Snow struggled and how Rain blitzed through Speed. It is all down to chance.

Those players can all beat each other over one game. Over one tournament, everything can happen, because the skill gaps are not that dramatic. I kind of wish matches had more games. I could see finals be closer to a chess match and being bo9 or bo11s.

I think nerves and experience playing on stage on a foreign desk, with a foreign monitor rather than in the comfort of home has a gigantic impact when you have old legends going against somewhat newer players.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3296 Posts
April 17 2025 21:37 GMT
#183
On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote:
Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype!

Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-18 00:08:05
April 18 2025 00:07 GMT
#184
On April 18 2025 06:37 TMNT wrote:
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On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote:
Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype!

Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top.

I am actually feeling quite good about Rush in group D. He can take out HerO, but not SnOw. But honestly, Group D has 4 player capable of either semi-final or the finals. Its a crazy crazy strong group. Maybe the strongest group ever?
JDON MY SOUL!
HolySmokes
Profile Joined December 2024
57 Posts
April 18 2025 01:48 GMT
#185
On April 18 2025 06:37 TMNT wrote:
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On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote:
Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype!

Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top.


Agreed, the bracket structure has been very unkind to T in setting up a lot of mirror matchups. Top tier P's and Z's have also been beating top T's very consistently. I looked at the win record for each matchup, so far it is (by series record and not games):

Overall / top tier matchups
PvT 4-2 / 3-0
ZvP 8-4 / 2-1
TvZ 6-8 / 1-4

P 8
T 8
Z 16

TvT 7
PvP 1
ZvZ 0
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13476 Posts
April 18 2025 03:53 GMT
#186
Rush is gonna have a hard time getting out of his group. Playing v Snow first is rough leaving him likely a tough run through the elimination bracket.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3296 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-18 05:46:31
April 18 2025 05:44 GMT
#187
On April 18 2025 09:07 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
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On April 18 2025 06:37 TMNT wrote:
On April 17 2025 09:41 HolySmokes wrote:
Terran is looking super weak now with so many numbers fallen off the backs of both ZvT and PvT. It's mostly a PvZ battlefield now. Group C is going to be an absolute bloodbath. And Group D to settle the dust...this ASL is looking hype!

Terrans are falling off partly because of group selection actually. It makes no sense to have the group of Rush Royal Speed in Ro24, then Soulkey created the Light Barracks Scan group in Ro16. So that's two potential Ro8 players down just by TvT. Sharp and Speed are always 50/50 against Best and JD. And Rush is unfortunate to be in that group D I don't expect him to come out on top.

I am actually feeling quite good about Rush in group D. He can take out HerO, but not SnOw. But honestly, Group D has 4 player capable of either semi-final or the finals. Its a crazy crazy strong group. Maybe the strongest group ever?

Strongest ever for me is the Snow Soma Soulkey Queen in ASL14.
This one is similar to the Best Soulkey Light Snow group in ASL15.
Funnily in both previous cases, the player who eventually finished 1st is the least likely one.

But tbh there may be a strongest group in the early seasons not fresh in our memory
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada136 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-18 08:31:06
April 18 2025 08:26 GMT
#188
In 2025, Jaedong's ZvZ is underwhelming, and his weakest matchup.
In 2025, Best's PvZ and PvT are equally strong and inconsistent, and he can win against anybody in any given day (including Soulkey). His PvP is terrible.

How times have changed
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8182 Posts
April 18 2025 08:58 GMT
#189
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while.

Thoughts?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia100 Posts
April 18 2025 11:04 GMT
#190
Great to see JD make it through! He played really well
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
Sorusaba
Profile Joined October 2017
310 Posts
April 18 2025 13:00 GMT
#191
Kinda satisfying to read some of the doubter posts and then Jaedong took Best into the deep water, put him in a headlock, and drowned him. Speed match was great, too.
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
110 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-18 21:23:56
April 18 2025 16:25 GMT
#192
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while.


There are days he can beat anyone and days like he is 1-8 vs Flash or 2-7 vs Rush in showmatch games. In his case it's more of mindset than temporary shape he is in. Ofc not like he could not train at all.

Each ASL there is hype JD is looking strong. Personally i believe each stage could be his last as he doesnt have to prove anything. He acomplished everything in esport.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
April 19 2025 01:33 GMT
#193
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while.

Thoughts?

He said he played mainstream when he doubted himself in the past. I believe it to be true. Jaedong is not like Queen, or Soulkey who plays macro and gets annihilated vs mini and goes into a slump. Everything Jaedong does is cheese, however that term does not fully reflect the case with zerg. When Jaedong, or any other zerg plays a build, it is a timing rush just like zvz, so it elevates their play. Otherwise, who would we have on magazine covers muta scourge bombing the first corsair warped from Stargate. Jaedong put antiair zvp into the mainstream just as july put zvt air into the mainstream.
Turrican
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44298 Posts
April 19 2025 04:57 GMT
#194
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while.

Thoughts?

Yeah he's kinda really really strong nowadays.
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
April 19 2025 10:20 GMT
#195
JD looking beastly!
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8706 Posts
April 19 2025 14:35 GMT
#196
I really happy to have been proven wrong about Jaedong. Really strong showing in all three games! It was really refreshing to see him like that on stage and it made me really happy to see how happy he was with himself after that performance. His thank you speech was so fucking adorable! ^.^
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
April 19 2025 16:55 GMT
#197
Very happy to see Jaedong playing well. Pity about Sharp!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
April 21 2025 07:55 GMT
#198
Nice play - and also awesome winner's interview with JD, if you haven't seen it:

"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
April 21 2025 08:34 GMT
#199
On April 19 2025 23:35 Miragee wrote:
I really happy to have been proven wrong about Jaedong. Really strong showing in all three games! It was really refreshing to see him like that on stage and it made me really happy to see how happy he was with himself after that performance. His thank you speech was so fucking adorable! ^.^

That Snow loss in ASL15 Group D due to map error really pushed him hard. I think he took that lesson pretty close to heart. You shouldn't lose drones due to HT from across the hill. That is just careless map editing. Good riddance with Dark Origin. You cannot humiliate a tyrant so.
Turrican
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44298 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-21 08:40:33
April 21 2025 08:40 GMT
#200
On April 18 2025 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is it me or Jaedong is looking extremely strong these days? I just watched his SooP duel against Stork and without spoiling too much he looked really, really scary. His control also seems so much more on point that it’s been for a while.

Thoughts?

He is. Looks like his massive tryharding is really paying off

Might be a mentality thing. Last season he was kinda off but this season he was on point.

I also like his little celebrations each win
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