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cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 30 2024 17:59 GMT
#201
On October 01 2024 00:42 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:43 Simplistik wrote:
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?


Snow is the soulkey of protoss, in that he can play extremely well from behind and somehow willpower his way to victory with amazing micro, great awareness and really good choices. Its like how SnOw almost beat Soulkey on Blitz while playing from behind last semi-finals. SnOw is championship material and Speed is not quite there yet. Speed overpressed, and while his vulture play facilitated by his crazy high apm and multitasking is awesome when it works, when it doesn't that's a lot of supply not achieving much and not being added to his ball of death.


Hard disagree. Soulkey is much, much more creative than snow. Snow excels at micro, but not at strategy, where soulkey sets himself apart from other top Zergs (besides his well-known godly macro). Also, Blitz Y is heavily protoss-favored, so if anything, that match with Soulkey proved how Soulkey was able to beat Snow even when in disadvantage.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
September 30 2024 19:57 GMT
#202
WOW... Speed has lost today, but won my heart! Really, that was absolutely a bliss to watch and enjoy. It was kinda like watching a terran version of Bisu. What a play and multitasking! If he keeps his calm and get more experienced, this guy can win the whole thing in times to come.
never too old for starcraft :)
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10529 Posts
September 30 2024 21:39 GMT
#203
On October 01 2024 04:57 Destroyer wrote:
WOW... Speed has lost today, but won my heart! Really, that was absolutely a bliss to watch and enjoy. It was kinda like watching a terran version of Bisu. What a play and multitasking! If he keeps his calm and get more experienced, this guy can win the whole thing in times to come.

His vulture control and style most reminds me of Fantasy, lots of vulture harass, concept of trading vultures for economic damage while allowing Terran to secure more map vision and control to safely expand while building deathball.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5689 Posts
September 30 2024 22:02 GMT
#204
Jesus. I knew Snow n Mini both advancing was the dream, but goddamnnnnnnnnnnnn... ALMOST Rain and Speed. Rain advancing first, aaaaaah, this looks bad on me
FBH #1!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 01 2024 01:36 GMT
#205
On October 01 2024 07:02 Peeano wrote:
Jesus. I knew Snow n Mini both advancing was the dream, but goddamnnnnnnnnnnnn... ALMOST Rain and Speed. Rain advancing first, aaaaaah, this looks bad on me

I was semi-expecting a snow choke...but to Mini...to go this toe to toe vs speed is troublesome...

Honestly if they face off, I can see Barracks beating Snow in the playoffs
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-01 02:51:00
October 01 2024 02:46 GMT
#206
The meta shift in TvP, coincided with Flash return on the ladder, plus the Terran favored map pool, has seen significant changes in the win rate of the match up recently .

Normally (as in 1-2 years up to mid 2024) Light was the only one with a positive win rate for Terran against the top 4 Protoss, while Snow dominated almost everybody with absurd win rate. But since August, Snow has only 30% win rate vs Light (used to be 50-55%), 40% vs Royal (used to be 65-70%) and 50% vs Barracks (used to be 80-90%). Doesn't help that he has been off form himself for months now. I think it's even worse for Best and Mini. Currently Protoss can't cope with Terran's 5-6 Fact meta.

So yeah, one year ago you'd bet your house on Snow beating Barracks in a Bo7 (9-0'd him a couple of times) but this season it's 50/50. And if he gets Light /Royal he's not even favourite.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
608 Posts
October 01 2024 03:11 GMT
#207
some of the best starcraft ever.

every player played so well

+ Show Spoiler +
except mini
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
femtehjulet
Profile Joined October 2018
19 Posts
October 01 2024 06:36 GMT
#208
Funny how easy Rain made it look vs Speed considering Snows struggle.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
October 01 2024 06:57 GMT
#209
LB secured! Rain played surprisingly well vs Speed, especially with how crazy Speed was playing vs Snow. I thought Rain would just rely on his PvP to get out of the group, but maybe he wasn't kidding in the group selection about renouncing LoL.

Speed brought out some GREAT TvPs, really rooting for him in future ASLs/SSLs.

Mini barely got to play, he lost the BO match ups which seems super harsh in PvP. Hope he doesn't beat himself up too much but it certainly was a hard group for any P.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey806 Posts
October 01 2024 07:03 GMT
#210
Quick notes from yesterday.
1)Rain kept his word from group selection ceremony that he will delete all other games and focus on BW.
2)SnOw made a great job with winning the final game.As he is 2-2 with speed totally.
3)Along with Barracks Speed seems exceeds expectations.
4)Mini does not seem interested ASL. He did not even prepare one game.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8074 Posts
October 01 2024 07:35 GMT
#211
Man Speed was playing out of his mind! I am glad Snow advanced but sad for Speed.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
October 01 2024 08:21 GMT
#212
On October 01 2024 11:46 TMNT wrote:
The meta shift in TvP, coincided with Flash return on the ladder, plus the Terran favored map pool, has seen significant changes in the win rate of the match up recently .

Normally (as in 1-2 years up to mid 2024) Light was the only one with a positive win rate for Terran against the top 4 Protoss, while Snow dominated almost everybody with absurd win rate. But since August, Snow has only 30% win rate vs Light (used to be 50-55%), 40% vs Royal (used to be 65-70%) and 50% vs Barracks (used to be 80-90%). Doesn't help that he has been off form himself for months now. I think it's even worse for Best and Mini. Currently Protoss can't cope with Terran's 5-6 Fact meta.

So yeah, one year ago you'd bet your house on Snow beating Barracks in a Bo7 (9-0'd him a couple of times) but this season it's 50/50. And if he gets Light /Royal he's not even favourite.

What changed actually?
Is it a map factor? Where fast carriers became more punishable?
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Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 01 2024 09:19 GMT
#213
I loved Speed's games. I cannot recall a terran engaging in multiple small engagements like that. The way he was able to trade well with small quantities was phenomenal. The only trouble for him was that snow is also a master of small engagements. I think he just needs to get a bit better with his choices of how to split off units. A few times I saw him split off some tanks to harass a 'not important target' and then really miss them when the real engagement happened.

Just when Barracks was becoming my favourite terran...
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
October 01 2024 15:27 GMT
#214
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
October 01 2024 18:15 GMT
#215
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
October 02 2024 02:07 GMT
#216
On October 02 2024 03:15 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.


This I need to see.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 15:30:21
October 02 2024 15:25 GMT
#217
On October 02 2024 11:07 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 03:15 TMNT wrote:
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.


This I need to see.



+ Show Spoiler +
Royal starts with a 12 Nexus unharmed but spends the mid game chasing Vultures, allowing Mini to have total map control, be able to greed with early third, and come back from the opening deficit.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden557 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 17:14:12
October 02 2024 17:10 GMT
#218
Speed, just wow.... Best and most entertaining TvP i've seen since Flash was in his peak.
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 18:59:33
October 02 2024 18:57 GMT
#219
I've been warming the bucket for a while now!

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Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
October 03 2024 18:16 GMT
#220
Speed played the most interesting games out of all this SoopSL.
Shame about Snow advancing.
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