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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 15 2023 09:18 GMT
#101
decider will be the base at 1 dont think sk can hold onto it
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
October 15 2023 09:21 GMT
#102
soulkey did it...
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 15 2023 09:21 GMT
#103
lol ggz
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2516 Posts
October 15 2023 09:21 GMT
#104
mini really had to kill one of the bottom bases after he killed main.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4015 Posts
October 15 2023 09:23 GMT
#105
this Soulkey kid is increadible. Absolute monster
Drone is a way of living
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50364 Posts
October 15 2023 09:23 GMT
#106
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whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
October 15 2023 09:25 GMT
#107
soulkey joins rain in the realm of the sc2/bw multiple game champion golden gods. but while rain's win was against snow when rain looked invincible in pvp, soulkey's ASL trophy has no question mark. still a great finals imo
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1188 Posts
October 15 2023 09:26 GMT
#108
Soulkey was great. Congrats to him! I'm happy that he finally has an ASL. He's a much better player than a lot of the players that already won it once.

However, the macro games from Mini in this series were "appaling" to say the least. How the hell do you not know which expansions to eliminate on a two player map when you are so ahead. That was lame, this series could've been an all-timer if Mini had done his part.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 09:27:33
October 15 2023 09:26 GMT
#109
Yeah, SK just played better (is better), Mini had a fighting chance in all 4 loses, in one of them he was from behind, but in 2 he was ahead and he did not win a single full scale game
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4203 Posts
October 15 2023 09:27 GMT
#110
yuck
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 10:04:11
October 15 2023 10:02 GMT
#111
On October 15 2023 18:25 whylessness wrote:
soulkey joins rain in the realm of the sc2/bw multiple game champion golden gods. but while rain's win was against snow when rain looked invincible in pvp, soulkey's ASL trophy has no question mark. still a great finals imo


Soulkey already had a KSL trophy so he was already a multiple game champion. But yeah, he was missing an ASL title .

I think that makes Flash, Rain and Soulkey the only multi-game champions in the post 2012 era.
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
October 15 2023 10:04 GMT
#112
great finals, a good day to be zerg
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8546 Posts
October 15 2023 10:08 GMT
#113
Huge respect for Soulkey! He played phenomenal late game. I thought he would be more aggressive, judging by his general tendency to build a lot of zerglings early on. But his his strategic late game play, how he took expansions, defended etc. was impeccable. And we didn't see a single attempted 3h hydra. :o I think he also scared Mini into playing a lot more conservatively with his attacks after defending the large push in game 1.
Mini played really well for the most part. His biggest mistakes were his indecisiveness in the late game, bouncing back and forth between Soulkey's expansions without achieving anything, and his unit comp. Yes, it was expensive, but he should have built reavers earlier when he was ahead to bust some of those fortified positions before Soulkey got too big imho.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia360 Posts
October 15 2023 10:15 GMT
#114
On October 15 2023 19:02 RJBTV wrote:
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On October 15 2023 18:25 whylessness wrote:
soulkey joins rain in the realm of the sc2/bw multiple game champion golden gods. but while rain's win was against snow when rain looked invincible in pvp, soulkey's ASL trophy has no question mark. still a great finals imo


Soulkey already had a KSL trophy so he was already a multiple game champion. But yeah, he was missing an ASL title .

I think that makes Flash, Rain and Soulkey the only multi-game champions in the post 2012 era.


Flash is a SC2 champion? Since when?

j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 10:25:14
October 15 2023 10:22 GMT
#115
I swear once Soulkey gets to Defiler no matter how far he is behind there's always a chance he can come back. He's so so hard to kill lol. Remember those series vs Royal and JYJ in the last ASLs? You can see that again today in the Dark Origin and the Invader games.

I recommend everyone to watch the super ace of this Proleague between him and Royal just a couple of days ago. He was so dead in the midgame of that game but eventually crawled his way back to life.

Those who said Mini played bad or threw the games today, I think it's unfair. Mini played well, especially if you know that he's been in terrible form recently (20% win in Proleague this month). He got ahead with supply and was on even base with Zerg a couple of times but as if it's a sign of sure win for Protoss in PvZ lol. If you know what Soulkey can do with Defiler in the weaker matchup of Zerg (ZvT), you sure understand what he can do in the race's stronger matchup that is ZvP.

Overall Soulkey is the deserved winner of this season. He had the harder bracket, defeating former ASL finalist and champion Rush and JYJ (both were champion contenders). While Mini basically beat two K League "parkers"(Sharp and Effort) on his way, with Effort practically giving the wins to him.

A bit sad for Mini that he's gotten to 4 finals and only won 1 of them (but hey, that's still a better record than all but 2 players). But if ASL continues to run for a while, and with Royal and Soma going to military next year, he's gonna be the youngest god tier player. Which means he will basically be the no 1 or 2 contender every season. Well, unless Flash returns and gets back to his best.
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 10:31:12
October 15 2023 10:30 GMT
#116
On October 15 2023 19:15 Rainalcar wrote:
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On October 15 2023 19:02 RJBTV wrote:
On October 15 2023 18:25 whylessness wrote:
soulkey joins rain in the realm of the sc2/bw multiple game champion golden gods. but while rain's win was against snow when rain looked invincible in pvp, soulkey's ASL trophy has no question mark. still a great finals imo


Soulkey already had a KSL trophy so he was already a multiple game champion. But yeah, he was missing an ASL title .

I think that makes Flash, Rain and Soulkey the only multi-game champions in the post 2012 era.


Flash is a SC2 champion? Since when?



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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 15 2023 10:41 GMT
#117
On October 15 2023 19:22 TMNT wrote:
I swear once Soulkey gets to Defiler no matter how far he is behind there's always a chance he can come back. He's so so hard to kill lol. Remember those series vs Royal and JYJ in the last ASLs? You can see that again today in the Dark Origin and the Invader games.

I recommend everyone to watch the super ace of this Proleague between him and Royal just a couple of days ago. He was so dead in the midgame of that game but eventually crawled his way back to life.

Those who said Mini played bad or threw the games today, I think it's unfair. Mini played well, especially if you know that he's been in terrible form recently (20% win in Proleague this month). He got ahead with supply and was on even base with Zerg a couple of times but as if it's a sign of sure win for Protoss in PvZ lol. If you know what Soulkey can do with Defiler in the weaker matchup of Zerg (ZvT), you sure understand what he can do in the race's stronger matchup that is ZvP.

Overall Soulkey is the deserved winner of this season. He had the harder bracket, defeating former ASL finalist and champion Rush and JYJ (both were champion contenders). While Mini basically beat two K League "parkers"(Sharp and Effort) on his way, with Effort practically giving the wins to him.

A bit sad for Mini that he's gotten to 4 finals and only won 1 of them (but hey, that's still a better record than all but 2 players). But if ASL continues to run for a while, and with Royal and Soma going to military next year, he's gonna be the youngest god tier player. Which means he will basically be the no 1 or 2 contender every season. Well, unless Flash returns and gets back to his best.


My interpretation is that Mini is a lot like Stork -- always way ahead of his time (or way too late -- and I can never quite tell)
The heart's eternal vow
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 10:48:50
October 15 2023 10:43 GMT
#118
So, out of all the top top tier players since Remastered came out, only the following haven't won an ASL:

Terran: Rush (not sure if I should count Sharp in? He did get to 1 ASL and 1 KSL finals)
Protoss: Bisu, Best, Snow
Zero: Hero, Soma, JD

How coincidental is that that we have had a new champion every season since 11? And even before that the crown was passed around each time since season 5.

It's like everyone gets a bite (except for the ones listed above)

And what's the reason behind that? In the past, OSL and MSL crowns were always shared between a few players. Now we have 12 consecutive seasons with 11 different champions lol.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-15 10:54:59
October 15 2023 10:54 GMT
#119
Darn, didn't realise the early start time, only managed to catch the last two games. Last game was quite an epic late game. Mini seemed to had the game in the bag. Why didn't he aggressively push through SK's base or deny expos? He had a massive army to be able to plow through even a heavily defended swarm-lurker wall.

Happy for SK. The guy deserves this long-awaited victory! Commiserations to Mini - a balls-to-the-walls Toss who never ceases to deliver an entertaining long series!

Will Flash and Fantasy return next ASL to restore Terran dominance? Long live Brood War!
gg no re thx
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8546 Posts
October 15 2023 11:01 GMT
#120
On October 15 2023 19:22 TMNT wrote:
I swear once Soulkey gets to Defiler no matter how far he is behind there's always a chance he can come back. He's so so hard to kill lol. Remember those series vs Royal and JYJ in the last ASLs? You can see that again today in the Dark Origin and the Invader games.


Invader yes, but on Dark Origin Mini didn't even intend to kill Soulkey outright after he came back but to starve him to death. Which should have worked. I still don't fully understand how Soulkey was able to breach the bridges... If Mini had switched his army, as in put his dragoons behind the bridge and more zealots at the fourth I'm sure he could have defended the assault. Or if he had built a couple reavers to defend the bridges.
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