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[ASL16] Ro8 Day 2
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BLinD-RawR
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
JyJ is the current ASL winner. SoulKey has been to the semi-finals 2 times in its history. And have never been to the finals. Also, seeing TVT in the semi-finals is such a unpleasure. Plus, I don’t want to see Terran in the finals (even though I’m a Terran myself), again for rotation. The Terrans have been to 12 of the 15 finals. Maybe Enough?  )Well, as I wrote earlier, I’m waiting for the PvZ finale. In 15 ASL seasons, such a match has happened only once. SoulKey vs Mini? | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
Bookmakers consider NeedMoney the favorite. Well, MinChul should, given yesterday’s incomprehensible game from Hero, show that Zerg is a strong race. | ||
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whylessness
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prosatan
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Kaal
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Kaal
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prosatan
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but jyj is sneaky and cancels it | ||
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Kaal
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prosatan
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prosatan
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i wonder if it hinders the mining... | ||
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Kaal
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Kaal
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On September 19 2023 19:24 prosatan wrote: that sunken is glued to the mineral patch i wonder if it hinders the mining... It doesn't, it has the same pathing time as if they were mining straight on. | ||
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prosatan
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Kaal
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Kaal
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prosatan
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sk is losing units left and right gg... well done jyj | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Had JyJ been a bit more careful with his army movements and not lose his initial 2 tanks, game would of been over 5 mins earlier. Great game plan going 8 rax and forcing a low econ early game against SK. | ||
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Kaal
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M2
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Kaal
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
but sk still manages to lose all but one muta... | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
sk wants his 4th real bad | ||
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Kaal
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
not even against flash | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Kaal
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
savage. rekt. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On September 19 2023 19:55 prosatan wrote: man... haven't seen sk outplayed like this in a zvt ever not even against flash agreed, if you covered the players’ names, i would never think this was SK what a dominant stomp holy | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
unfortunate at least the games are decent I guess. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 19 2023 19:56 konadora wrote: brutal. savage. rekt. | ||
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Zergxhx
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M2
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On September 19 2023 19:57 Zergxhx wrote: Damn it, it seems like the first half of the semifinals will be TVT. Okay, at least this time there won't be a TVT final, I guess How sure are you about that, if he goes past Mini, do you think he'll lose the semi to a zerg? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 19 2023 19:56 konadora wrote: agreed, if you covered the players’ names, i would never think this was SK what a dominant stomp holy yes kona! Let's hope sk takes at least one game! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 19 2023 19:58 M2 wrote: How sure are you about that, if he goes past Mini, do you think he'll lose the semi to a zerg? Mini is sharp's bitch online I think sharp is like 6-1 against mini or something? | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Absolute domination by JyJ. As soon as the muta flock lost its effectiveness it allowed JyJ to outexpand a zerg. Let's hope SK pulls his head together to get on the board at least... or we'll have another short night | ||
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RowdierBob
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Zografa
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TMNT
2706 Posts
Only Mini left to save ASL from another Terran champion. No way Action or Effort can win a BO7 against Rush or JYJ. | ||
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Zergxhx
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Zergxhx
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Kaal
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 19 2023 20:07 TMNT wrote: If JYJ wins another ASL he really is the new Casy. Only Mini left to save ASL from another Terran champion. No way Action or Effort can win a BO7 against Rush or JYJ. TMNT , don't you think action has a chance vs JyJ ? His zvt is awesome! | ||
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TMNT
2706 Posts
On September 19 2023 20:15 prosatan wrote: TMNT , don't you think action has a chance vs JyJ ? His zvt is awesome! Wait a minute. Maybe Soulkey can still come back | ||
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Zergxhx
China146 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/b6JCSuq.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nbdHpzt.jpg) Just like yesterday | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 19 2023 20:17 TMNT wrote: Wait a minute. Maybe Soulkey can still come back yesss plsss!!! come on SK! use your brain and win ! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On September 19 2023 20:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: finally we have a series. phew.. finally! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Kaal
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HOLYBATS
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M2
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prosatan
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imagine if it was JD instead of SK! Right now I would have had a heart attack  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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would be amazing | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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M2
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TMNT
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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Kaal
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prosatan
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prosatan
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hmmm i wonder who will win | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Kaal
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prosatan
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i think it will be a long , nice game! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Kaal
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Kaal
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Kaal
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Zergxhx
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Sorusaba
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BLinD-RawR
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
best this season, I think | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
you lose.. wtf | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Kaal
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prosatan
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THIS IS STARCRAFT BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Sorusaba
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RowdierBob
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PhilGood2DaY
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 19 2023 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: SK can barely contain his excitement. I think he is doing a good job! poker face | ||
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Zealgoon
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
what a sick, sick series this was GGs ! ! ! | ||
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prosatan
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M2
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HerbMon
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whylessness
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TMNT
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
besides mini, i am cheering for soulkey. fighting! | ||
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AssyrianKing
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Terrorbladder
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On September 19 2023 22:55 Terrorbladder wrote: This should silence the balance complains for a while Yeah turns out Terran isn't That op.. That I can sit in the middle of the map for aeons.. Do nothing and still win Jyjs complete lack of aggression and timing lost him this game He scouted expansions so early yet killed one and attacked extremely late | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
On September 19 2023 22:55 Terrorbladder wrote: This should silence the balance complains for a while weeeeeeell... :3 | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
On September 19 2023 22:55 Terrorbladder wrote: Sweet sweet summer childs.This should silence the balance complains for a while The complaints will never stop :p | ||
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HOLYBATS
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QOGQOG
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avanhokie
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On September 19 2023 22:55 Terrorbladder wrote: This should silence the balance complains for a while Soulkey is the better player, if he lost to pure abuse of zerg scouting deficiency like in game 1, complaints would be justified. | ||
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Lazyer
United States342 Posts
The muta control was great, Guardians were great, the INFESTED COMMAND CENTER!!! JyJ should have stuck to his builds from last season, his vessel control is one of his strong points in TvZ. | ||
BisuDagger
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Also, game 4, it looked like jyj’s factory at the natural spontaneously exploded instead of being killed… | ||
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Vasoline73
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Vasoline73
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On September 20 2023 11:14 BisuDagger wrote: I didn’t see any infested terrans, can anyone confirm if he made any? Also, game 4, it looked like jyj’s factory at the natural spontaneously exploded instead of being killed… I just watched it and unless I missed it (don't think so) there were no infested terrans. He landed the infested CC at 3 o clock and it just sat there. | ||
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Souden
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Also, disappointing play from JyJ in the last match. He was floating on 2k+ minerals at some point after taking the center and should have capitalize on his position to control most of map. Put more turrets, lay mines, float buildings to uncover blind spots. La Campanella has a lot of blind spots behind the wall which is great for air units to hide under the fog. Glad that we don't get to see a TvT in the semis. Another TvZ is always great to watch. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 20 2023 13:03 Vasoline73 wrote: Nice comeback from Soulkey! Happy birthday Vasoline! Also, can you guys tell me where to watch the games on youtube? I NEED to see game 5 again and again | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic931 Posts
On September 20 2023 13:11 Souden wrote: Wow, all great games besides game 3. Disappointed that SoulKey didn't make infested terrans when he was ahead, or maybe he never thought he was and wanted to play super safe. Also, disappointing play from JyJ in the last match. He was floating on 2k+ minerals at some point after taking the center and should have capitalize on his position to control most of map. Put more turrets, lay mines, float buildings to uncover blind spots. La Campanella has a lot of blind spots behind the wall which is great for air units to hide under the fog. Glad that we don't get to see a TvT in the semis. Another TvZ is always great to watch. He wasnt that much ahead and was rather busy with controlling everything else in such extremely multitask demanding game rather than trying stuff with infested terrans that will probably wont work. 2k+ minerals in such insanely multitask demanding game, nothing to be ashamed. He was actually quite close few times to take over the game (and whole match) for himself and in the end just lost to a better player at that point. I still predict Soulkey taking over the whole thing, that guy is insanely good and performing amazingly recenly (daily proleagues, race wars etc..). | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria370 Posts
Hydra good unit. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
On September 20 2023 15:10 prosatan wrote: https://www.youtube.com/@StarCastTVHappy birthday Vasoline! Also, can you guys tell me where to watch the games on youtube? I NEED to see game 5 again and again | ||
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prosatan
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Qikz
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Simplistik
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Game 5, worth watching, but wasn't close at any point. JyJ never seemed to be in a position to do anything. I can only imagine that he had some kind of timing plan, but SK taking island third messed that up, or something? | ||
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orth0dox
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superjoppe
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Muff2n
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prion_
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On September 21 2023 04:14 Muff2n wrote: So why was the guardian play effective? Just because flying units let you concentrate more mass in an area? Also I guess the push into the factories came just in time. Also he forced JyJ to use up his irradiates on them, which allowed his lurkers and defilers to reach the natural. | ||
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Souden
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On September 20 2023 16:55 Destroyer wrote: He wasnt that much ahead and was rather busy with controlling everything else in such extremely multitask demanding game rather than trying stuff with infested terrans that will probably wont work. 2k+ minerals in such insanely multitask demanding game, nothing to be ashamed. He was actually quite close few times to take over the game (and whole match) for himself and in the end just lost to a better player at that point. I still predict Soulkey taking over the whole thing, that guy is insanely good and performing amazingly recenly (daily proleagues, race wars etc..). And that's why he lost because he couldn't attack the queens hiding above the walls or see overlords coming. When they showed JyJ's minimap, you can't see any red dots and a lot of darkness around the center. His scans were limited so he needed to float buildings to those areas to unveil the fog, especially on that map where air units can hide and do a hit and run. Flash and Fantasy would rig the entire map with turrets, mines, and float buildings to chokepoints in mech v zerg to counter queens and drop plays. Maybe I was expecting too much of JyJ, who won the previous ASL. SoulKey definitely played better in the last much but they were pretty close throughout the series. The infested terran was a wishful thinking since we rarely see it in pro scenes, but most pros would rather play safe since a lot was on the line. ZerO/Queen was the one of the few who have used them in the past in a pro match. SoulKey has a good chance of winning it all if he beats Rush, which imo, his toughest opponent to face. Rush is a TvZ specialist so it's no easy task. | ||
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QOGQOG
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On September 21 2023 06:41 Souden wrote: And that's why he lost because he couldn't attack the queens hiding above the walls or see overlords coming. When they showed JyJ's minimap, you can't see any red dots and a lot of darkness around the center. His scans were limited so he needed to float buildings to those areas to unveil the fog, especially on that map where air units can hide and do a hit and run. Flash and Fantasy would rig the entire map with turrets, mines, and float buildings to chokepoints in mech v zerg to counter queens and drop plays. Maybe I was expecting too much of JyJ, who won the previous ASL. SoulKey definitely played better in the last much but they were pretty close throughout the series. The infested terran was a wishful thinking since we rarely see it in pro scenes, but most pros would rather play safe since a lot was on the line. ZerO/Queen was the one of the few who have used them in the past in a pro match. SoulKey has a good chance of winning it all if he beats Rush, which imo, his toughest opponent to face. Rush is a TvZ specialist so it's no easy task. I think he'd have a pretty tough time against Mini. SoulKey usually wins in the mid to lategame, since his micro isn't really his strength. But Mini will have killed SoulKey and/or himself before that point. Edit: And if he gets ZvZ finals I would definitely not consider him the favorite. He'd only be a huge finals favorite vs Sharp, which I just can't see happening, much as I love Sharp. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On September 20 2023 15:10 prosatan wrote: Happy birthday Vasoline! Also, can you guys tell me where to watch the games on youtube? I NEED to see game 5 again and again Thank you for the birthday wishes prosatan! Someone else posted the link but Starcast TV English on youtube is where I watch. Cheers. | ||
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prion_
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RogerChillingworth
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Well played by JYJ but can't say I'm sad to see Rush vs SoulKey in the semis. This is shaping up to be a really dramatic ASL. After a lackluster ro24, I'm pretty stoked about it. Now, Mini, take your vitamins! We need you in the ro4! | ||
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Ideas
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moktira
Ireland1543 Posts
On September 21 2023 12:37 Ideas wrote: Wow really thought it was going to be another 3-0 after seeing the utter domination of first 2 games. But SK got great BO advantage in g3 and played really well in g4. Game 5 was super fun to watch and SK played well but I must say JYJ put on a pretty lousy display of mech: 0 spidermines ALL GAME? No vessels? JYJ your SK terran is S-class just stick to that lol Yeah mech with no spider mines and then no vessels seemed really weird, just tanks and Goliaths, unusual build choice. Still, great final game and delighted at the result. I knew it was unlikely but really disappointed we didn't see an Infested Terran. I would take a ZvZ final over a TvT, at least I'd watch the former... | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On September 19 2023 21:19 whylessness wrote: LOL i stopped watching after game 1. i thought it was gonna be a shitstomp and i was too tired. rip ..Why would you think that? Soulkey played great on game 1, JYJ mindgames and execution was just a bit better. Both showed an amazing performance right off the bat. | ||
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
On September 20 2023 13:11 Souden wrote: Maybe I was expecting too much of JyJ, who won the previous ASL. Yes you did! JYJ did not deserve that ASL15 win too! The upstart terran got lucky with all those zerg groups, nothing more. Soulkey deserved this victory a thousand million times more than JYJ! In my opinion JYJ has to prove himself significantly more in order to be considered ''championship material''. I doubt he would win a best of 7 series even vs. Best or Mini, and Snow would plow him casually 4-1 like nothing. If SK wins ASL16, he will be a double SC champ and SC2 champ - equaling Rains feat. Well done SK! | ||
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